Going for the n-close and somehow getting the obstacle's #

[Zephyr]

Hey I have a quick question. This happened to me at a bar in Ft. Worth on Friday. So I open up a set of two girls, HB 8.5 and HB 7.5, around 1:00. They were sitting at a table with nobody else talking to them so I had no choice but to approach. I opened them with a time constraint and then went on with some canned shit: jealous girlfriend, told them a story about my birthday last month, then ran the Seattle girlfriend routine. I asked them how they knew each other, of course, as I was acting like I needed to leave and it turns out they’ve known each other since high school. Naturally, I ran the best friends test and they loved it. They asked for my name and I passed the social hook point. Then I asked them if they like mind games and if they believed in ESP. I ran the ESP routine, getting both the 3 and the 7 right. They bought the chick crack and asked me for more games (told them not to be greedy). Up to this point I had thrown two negs at the target, one about her job, and one about her attitude (she’s very imposing, how do you roll with her? Or something like that). Now after passing the social hook point, for some reason the obstacle seemed to be REALLY into me. There was no way for me to isolate the target because it was a group of two girls sitting at a table. I felt kinda trapped and limited. I talked about the cube with the target, but the obstacle demanded that I cube her, the target complied. I reluctantly ran the cube on the obstacle, and I was right about 80% of it. She was kinoing me the entire time…actually they both were both kinoing me towards the end of the whole interaction. We continued to bullshit around for a good 20 minutes or so and I decided to go find more sets. When I tried to number close the target, she actually pulled out a pen, reached for a napkin, and gave them both to the obstacle. I’m never rude, so I took the number and ran a flake test. The target laughed. I knew they were both enjoying my company, and that I had demonstrated high enough value and comfort for the close, but I never expected her to divert the close to another girl, even if the other girl was interested. She wasn’t rude about it, and actually smiled at me when she did it. What do you think is going on in this situation? Was there some kind of unspoken communication between them that the obstacle was really in to me? Will a girl actually cede her “claim” on a guy to another girl in the group? Do girls even claim shit? By the end o the conversation it should have been obvious to them that I was aiming for the target. I KNOW I did everything that has always worked on other sets, so whats going on here? I gave you as much detail as I can remember, so please give me some insight.

[Kit]

I was reading just recently about this. Yes, you have to be careful not too show too much interest in the obstacle if the target is used to getting all the guys because she will gladly toss her friend a bone.

Also Grimm was just telling me today not to run more than two routines or you become the entertainment clown.

I'm sure someone else can offer you more detailed advice.

[Zephyr]

I figured that If they keep asking me for more games, then I can keep them entertained as long as I keep throwing negs like "don't be greedy" or "don't be pushy" or "you guys are here for MY entertainment" etc... If you come from the frame that ur just enjoying being entertaining to them, and that you are entertained as well, will they still see you as their circus monkey?

[TopDog]

I figured that If they keep asking me for more games, then I can keep them entertained as long as I keep throwing negs like "don't be greedy" or "don't be pushy" or "you guys are here for MY entertainment" etc... If you come from the frame that ur just enjoying being entertaining to them, and that you are entertained as well, will they still see you as their circus monkey?

If they've literally ASKED for more games, then yea, IMHO, i wouldn't continue with the games. I wouldn't do it with multiple girls setting either, or else it can easily come across as court jester-ish as well.

And just another side note, i wouldn't run cube either in that kind of setting, something like that is great in a D2 setting for comfort.

but i'd stick to 1 only and look to eliminate any of those as you progress in skill.

and yea, i'm guilty of breaking all these when i first found community.

[Zephyr]

the plan was to try to get her hooked on the idea of the cube, and then somehow isolate from her friend so I could run it on her. I had no idea her friend would practically beg me. What should I say in a situation like that? Is there any way to isolate in a female 2-set?

[grimm1111]

the plan was to try to get her hooked on the idea of the cube, and then somehow isolate from her friend so I could run it on her. I had no idea her friend would practically beg me. What should I say in a situation like that? Is there any way to isolate in a female 2-set?

you basically need a wingman to do that. the vast majority of girls arent going to ditch her friend for some guy she just met randomly that night, although it does happen. you can either bring a wingman and have him take one for the team, or you can recruit an "instant wingman" at the bar which is a little more advanced.

you can also try to forward merge sets and make sure her friend is occupied.

yes it sounds like you ran too many A2 routines but at least you're getting out there man, good for you. sounds like you've been reading a ton also.