all i can do is laugh and...

[Bitches]

Quit, maybe? Well I feel like i have let everyone down that was trying to help me out about getting shut down by girls after girls. And so it happened again last night. I'll try to make this quick

I was out by myself for about 40 minutes before a friend from work joined me. During that time I was getting a couple of looks from some HB's but all i could muster up was a smile. So i get a few drink, try to loosen up. My friend joins and now the bar is full of dudes. So we tried a different venue.

Finally i got some balls and opened up a 2 set. They were HB5's at best. I'm trying to remember what all of you were saying and just open to open. So i open with. "Hey my buddy thinks that kissing is cheat." that got them talking. So i get off the opener,I ask them where they go to school. then they asked where i was from. Then they ejected. The conversation lasted maybe 5 minutes.

I went from having fun (maybe a level 7...good enough) to a code red on just being depressed. I ended up texting my friend who actually worked on the VH1 show "The Pick Up Artist" but that did nothing because i feel like a failure.

Now this thread is not meant for me to vent my frustration about how even ugly girls won't talk to me. This is a cry for HELP! I have to change something, anything!

~ Bitches

[DateDemon]

at least you opened that is the first big step. Don't let it get you down so much you need to view it this way they were only 5's fuck them who cares. If they ejected chances are at some point there was like an awkward pause? Did you notice that? if so you need to start ejecting at those moments like nice meeting you two but I've gotta run I will talk to you later. It will save face plus you can talk to them later if you want. So you need to start calibrating when you should eject. I even eject on good sets a lot. Then come back and clean them up later.

Also big props on going out and being solo for 40 mins. Even if you didn't open a set then its hard to be solo in a bar 40 mins can feel like an eternity. I have gotten to the point where I can solo but it still is much much harder than having friends around. Also being solo is just kind of depressing no wonder you didnt smile and stuff it is really hard to feel confident when you aren't with anyone. You are just acting normal. You are just going to have to grow your inner game and learn to feel more confident in all situations and even if you dont feel like smiling start faking it.

Also that's great you opened but I hate the whole kissing is cheating line. I have honestly never used it but I just know it wouldnt be as good as others. One line i use thats kind of closer is "Do you think its better to be friends first with a girl and have that lead to romance or romantic first?" But even that doesn't go over as well as just simple interaction stuff. I like to booty bump girls at the bar and say silly stuff like "Oh too much junk in the trunk" or just have fun with it man. You are going to have to force yourself to open girls but that doesn't mean the opening should be forced. It should just be fun spurt of the moment kind of stuff. Even if you use canned material say it like it just came to you or say it like its the most fun question ever.

[isosceles cheese]

Welcome to my life.

I learned so fucking much winding with Knight Rose. I have awesome, crushing openers, but I have a hard time transitioning into an interactive conversation because I'm somewhat eccentric...lol. The good think about winging with someone who is solid is that you get a chance to follow his strategy, see where it works, break off from the wing when he starts to focus in (on his queue), own the mini-set, and fall back on the lead when you run out of shit.

KR said something to me last night that stuck with me, know when to eject with dignity. Read on strategy and develop material and write it down, then you'll be more confident in sets because you know what to talk about, and soon enough you'll have enough experience that you can run some shit. I'm still working on building the confidence.

[Kit]

I like to booty bumping too. It's easy to play off as an accident if it doesn't go over well.

I don't like the friends first or romance line because it's relationship oriented and I think it's better to add shock value or keep things light and fun. I actually like the "is kissing cheating" line better because you learn how wild she is.

I think you did awesome if you talked for 5 minutes. Most of my sets don't last that long. I either number close, kiss close, get shut down or eject by that time.

You should not have talked that long until your game can flow well. It's best to get them interested then pull a takeaway.

Listen, women love mystery. It drives them crazy. They want to be surprised. Have you ever told a girl you had a surprise for her? She freaks out and keeps asking what it is even though she doesn't want you to tell her, right? Apply this to your takeaway.

When things are going well, early in the set, tell her you're supposed to meet a friend of yours or whatever. Smile and say let's have more fun later. This plants a seed that she had fun. Even if it didn't seem so, after it sinks in and you leave she will believe she had fun more than if you never said that. As you start to turn to walk away, turn your head back to her and say, "You know I had a compliment to give you, but it's kind of off the wall so I'm going to keep it to myself for now." Make sure you have a playful and confident smirk on your face (imagine you are sexy when you say it). She'll beg you to tell her but don't do it. Tell her the old "you don't know each other that well yet" or something.

This does a couple of things. Even if you don't like the girl you never have to go back, but you get the pleasure of leaving on your terms and that power will carry your confidence into the next set.

If you do like her, you have now created an interest and intrigue. If you see her later and she asks you, smile, take her hand in yours, lean in to her ear as if you have to whisper it and say, "I really just wanted to smell you." Then smell her neck and say, "mmmmm..." If she seems disappointed you can always say, okay I did have a compliment but I didn't think you could handle it. If she begs you to tell her, lean back in say...

You'll have to come up with your own material here

[DateDemon]

the friends before being romantic thing is great. Yea I guess it is a little more relationship but no matter what they say you can go about it a lot of different ways. I a lot of times, if i even use this, will follow with a " I used to date this awesome girl, she was really cute but when we first met we were just friends but we had such a great connection and because of that connection it was easy to move to physical and .... or whatever. I usually just DHV story it and make it up on the spot. but it almost always involves some made up past relationship with some hot and awesome girl lol. If it is a stripper I am talking to I will always tell them after i break out of stripper mode about how I used to date a stripper and blah blah blah.

The kissing is cheating line yea might get a read on the wild side of her but that seems like a better line if the girl is alone and if she is alone i would rather open her another way. If she is with a group though the relationship one is great because the whole group will talk about it. I have pulled an entire group of 4 girls back to my house before with the relationship line and I was alone at the bar.

[Kit]

Shit you're right man... you know what my problem is? I'm still blind to a lot of things. I got hurt so now I am in the "I just want to have fun" mode. At some point I need to chill and use more comfort building stuff...

Even though I'm getting some pretty hot chicks I have so much to learn. People help me.

[playercool]

Bitches,

This is not an easy road. It will take you a while to get good. It will take you a while to build inner game. It will take you a while to build confidence. If you give up this early you will never get the fruit.

It is so easy to get discouraged. That is why so many people join the community stay for a short period of time and bounce. They never get to enjoy the lifestyle of having multiple FB's. Of having multiple girls knocking your door down wanting to date you. Of having Multiple girls wanting to be your girlfriend.

Stick around a while and see what comes of it. Even the best have off nights. I have plenty of them. Hell I had one of my best nights last night and did you know I didn't get one number close. NOT A SINGLE NUMBER.

Just start taking and making baby steps. Read some stuff then read a little more. Then go out and implement some of it. It sounds like that is what you are doing. Keep doing it. When I first started I read a shit load of material. I took notes. I took my notes out to the venues with me. Do this. Hell I need to get back to doing this as well. You can never learn everything this game has to offer. It is one of those things you just keep building on. It is maybe the unbeatable game. That is why I love it so much.

As far as getting blown out. Nah man don't worry about that. If you get worried about getting blown out of a set you will have problems. I got blown out plenty last night. The girl goes hey let's go to the bar I will buy us a drink. Her friend grabs her and says no you won't. Set blown.

I agree with the others run some game, build comfort/attraction and then have no problem ejecting yourself. I do this all the time. ALL THE TIME. I reopen the set all night if they are there. It is the best way to run a set if you have to eject. It is almost as if a timelapse occured while you were in the venue(even though you weren't with her it feels like you have known her longer). You go back and talk to them some more. They will be open with it because you left on your terms. It works so well.

Find a wing on this site. Go to the meets and you will surely find someone who you mesh with.

[DateDemon]

are you kidding me kit? man I have seen a ton of your posts and you are off to a great start man. Just from the way you talk about things and the way you express yourself you seem like you are really a good guy. Don't be so hard on yourself.

also the being in just fun mode is great but you should look at pickup the same way. It's like Mystery says just view it as a game and you are just playing a level. If you start looking at every approach as a learning opportunity then it won't even matter if you get blown out because you will learn from it. Just keep up the good work and if you stay this open minded you will probably be getting dates like crazy soon.

[Bitches]

Thanks everyone. All the posts are great. Besides having zero confidence is that I really feel like anyone who is helping me out i am failing. That is just unacceptable. Yes...I know that I am doing this for me, but if you post and give me advice then your helping. And i do not want to let you all down.

Which brings me to Sunday night. I am going solo and opening up at least 2 set. Ya, I'll most likely want to kill myself by nights end, but I have to do this.
Hopefully i will have something remotely positive to report tomorrow. I'm always on the chat line, so if you want to talk I'm there.

[playercool]

First thing you need to do is remove doubt from your mind.

If you keep thinking you are going to fail you will.

You are a badass motherfucker. Remove doubt and put that in it's place.

I can't wait for a set to land for you. All the sudden you will realize this shit works and can work for you.