Help me with how to talk to bitches.

[Kit]

Plowing through shit tests.

What happens when you neg a girl and she gets pissed, how do you recover from that? Example: I said to a girl, “I came to talk to your friend, but I’ll talk to you if you can tell me who sings this song.” She said she couldn’t. It was Michael Jackson’s “Beat it.” I mean I know I’m older than you guys but MJ is a legend and “Beat it” was one of his most famous songs. So I started talking to the friend, then I came back to her and said, “okay, I was lying, I’ll still talk to you.” She comes back with, “am I supposed to be flattered.” She was being really cold. I mean it was obvious I was just flirting and she was being such a bitch I said, “are those false eye lashes?” She said “no” but she was obviously lying. I can’t stand false eye lashes so I notice that shit right off and at this point I’ve had enough, no idea how to recover and quite honestly part of the problem was I never was attracted to her to begin with but I wanted the challenge. So then I say, “When you’re ready to have some fun I’ll be over here,” and then I went over to talk to my wings.

I can think of a lot of ways to improve that set myself and will make changes. I think it’s important to write your own sets down and then analyze them yourself, but I would really appreciate some brain storming ideas from you guys.

For any of you that met me, don’t do it here, but in private or in person I’d like you to give me tips on how I come across physically. I’m wondering why I can’t pull off these negs. I know part of it is what I say, but I think part of it must be my body language or how I say it or how I look in general.

[Bull Run]

For any of you that met me, don’t do it here, but in private or in person I’d like you to give me tips on how I come across physically. I’m wondering why I can’t pull off these negs. I know part of it is what I say, but I think part of it must be my body language or how I say it or how I look in general.

BINGO! It's all about how you present yourself. Women are incredibly intuitive. They'll pick-up on incongruencies in your body language during your conversation.

Don't believe me?

I'll use an example. Knowing glances.

Women will throw each other a look every now and again. We've all seen the look. Even though the look is non-verbal it contains more information about what each girl is thinking than you and I could share in 20 minutes. Again, women are socially calibrated. Most men aren't.

If you're getting shit tests or getting blown out (don't think the above was a true shit test however, I just think you got blown out) then it's more than likely due to poor body language, tonality, and physical presence.

Practice walking around with your head up, shoulders back, and making constant eye contact with strangers. Do this for a week. It will make a difference in your game.

[DateDemon]

also sometimes it just honestly offends them. Every once in a while you might just offend someone with a neg I mean it happens. The thing is though negs for the most part will actually work wonders. You have to decide whether coming off as an asshole once every blue moon is worth doing better the rest of the time. Also it might be the negs you are using, the i came to talk to your friend one kind of makes a lot of tension she might think that she will never live up to her friend or whatever. I think it would be better if you were like oh i was about to talk to that cute girl but i guess ill talk to you if... because then at least its not like her friend but i honestly don't really like either of these. My favorite neg ever is just walking up and being like "The wedding is off" You seem way too clingy you will smother me or I cant handle long distance relationships or whatever. = money also you can use this mid conversation and it starts a whole role playing situation.

hope this helps =) anyone can PM me too about anything

[Kit]

If you're getting shit tests or getting blown out (don't think the above was a true shit test however, I just think you got blown out) then it's more than likely due to poor body language, tonality, and physical presence.

I am going to agree with you about getting blown out. Although me and a friend thought she had been glancing at me before I approached. Who the hell knows...

Gosh it's going to be hard for me to take critism on my appearance but maybe I need it... ughhh... tough love I suppose. Give it to me.

Tonality I know I need work on. I'm not sure how to say a neg and make it sincere or funny because I have never been one to say "rude" things, even to bitches.

Body language is easy to fix, so shoot me some ideas if we hang out.

Also it might be the negs you are using

I think you are right. I need someone in the field to help me with this. I agree with all of your post.

[Kit]

Sorry to double post but something interesting just dawned on me...

The bitch I approached was standing next to a cute girl that was with her boyfriend. I don't cross that line but I did walk up between the cute girl with the boyfriend and the bitch and give a little eye contact two to the cute girl and the line about how I came to talk to the cute girl before turning to the bitch and trying to game the bitch (I said it with the cute girl's boyfriend right there because I figured to him it would be obvious what I was doing - hitting on the bitch and not really walking up to talk to his girlfriend - he was a really freaking big dude too so I'm glad he didn't call me out on it, haha).

As I said, I got so perturbed at the bitch not playing along that I negged her false eyelashes. Even though the cute girl never said anything, I think she gave me a look of interest (sorry boyfriend I could be wrong). I was slapping her bitch friend down to counter the ice water running through her body and the cute girl just kept smiling at me.

I think there may be something to be learned here. One, I gave attention to my target (bitch) and the cute girl seemed more interested (expected behavior). I negged the cute girl's friend who had it coming and she probably liked that I put her friend back in her place. Also I had the confidence to say I wanted to the cute girl right in front of her boyfriend. Damn, I was just joking but now that I think about it, I must have seemed like one big balled and confident son of a bitch to the cute girl. No wonder she was all smiles.

Hmmm.... now how to reverse this or understand it better so that I can intentionally do what I did unintentionally.

[DateDemon]

Dallas would be perfect for the long distance relationship role play. If you ever talk to a girl and she says shes from a certain part of Dallas that is not where you live like addison or wherever. Just respond with " OMG THE WEDDING IS OFF" "I cant handle a long distance relationship" XXXX is just too far from XXXX! (if you have not told her where you live yet)

The girl will almost always respond with a laugh and a "It is not even that far!!" and will completely forget about arguing with the wedding part and now shes your fiance =P

[playercool]

I didn't read anyone's replies. Usually I do before I respond but hey I'm feeling lazy right now.

Negs are extremely difficult for your average person. Most negs are actually insults. Most negs are actually insults. Yep I said it twice because almost everyone who I have seen use them just insults the girl. This is immediate grounds for getting blown out.

I LOVE NEGS. They work very well for my personality and I have the correct BL and temperance to pull them off. Yes I have gotten blown out using negs, but wait they were insults actually.

I must say I almost think most of the guys on here shouldn't even consider using negs. They are just too risky and will get most guys blown out. I use them because I like to have fun. It is fun for me to say something crazy and it work well.

Here IMO is the proper way to use a neg. I will use your neg.

I like those eye lashes, ARE THEY FAKE. See you complimented first then negged. Pretty much anything else is an insult.

If you just say ARE THOSE FAKE she will go on the defensive and pretty much not like you.

Another thing about negs. Don't use a neg on a girl with a lower value then you. Even a good neg on a way lower value girl will prob get you blown out. I only use negs on 8's and above unless I am just in a mood of having a good time and fucking around with people.

[Kit]

I like those eye lashes, ARE THEY FAKE. See you complimented first then negged. Pretty much anything else is an insult.

Damn, you are right. See, I was pissed by the time I noticed her fake eye lashes so I just wanted to insult her. I mean I walked into the set just being friendly and she got all cocky so I decided to walk her back down.

I need to control my emotions and stay cool. I'd like your help in the field with this if you are available sometime.

Even though I knew how to throw the backhanded compliment or neg I just went for the jugular.

I would have had a much cooler presence and a better chance of winning if I simply stuck to the method.

Your post was spot on and beneficial. Well said.

[Bull Run]

Right on Playercool. Most newbies aren't properly calibrated to pull off negs. They're just flat out offensive. The harshest neg I've ever used was something to the effect of: "I love your dress. My grandma has the EXACT same one...I think she bought it at Wal-Mart about a year ago. Come to think of it I haven't seen her wearing it in a while. Huh. Anyway, it is a nice dress and you wear it well." She was pretty upset by the comment, but I didn't supplicate to her by apologizing. I number and fuck closed her (I think, I lose track).

DateDemon alluded to this when he said "the wedding is off" (I use this same line too) or "we're so over." Actually, I think this is a presumption/role playing statement instead of a neg. Presumptions are very powerful and lend themselves to launching into creative role playing scenarios.

[DateDemon]

the wedding is off isnt really that much of a neg you are right bull, a neg I use a lot is "You are so cute you are like my retarded cousin" And then when shes shocked I go I don't actually have a retarded cousin but if i did you would be like them.