Club Game

[Nekrus]

Hey guys, I'm still pretty new at all of this. If you want my background see my post in the Introductions section. Ok here is my question: Are there any solid resources I should look into to improve my club game? For example something that goes deep into detail of the typical setup, what to wear, how to approach, etc? My friends and I have been hitting up the clubs for a few weeks now without a ton of success. When we bring with a few female friends we feel a lot less nervous but then we end up just dancing with them rather than opening new sets. Well last night we went out with just the boys (3 of us) and it seemed a lot harder. Maybe I'm just a total AFC (of course which is what I'm trying to change) but I seem to have a lot of problems just getting a girl to dance with me. Any way, are there any good resources I should know about that cover this specific area in great detail? Also, do you guys have any tips, comments, etc? Thanks in advance. ~ Nekrus

[playercool]

Game is "usually" ran off the dance floor.

The dance floor might be good once you have built a girls BT up. You can pull her there and get some really good kino etc. Just part of your overall arsenal and routine.

The odds of you just dressing the part and pulling a girl from the dance floor is pretty slim. I am not saying it doesn't happen. Just don't expect if you dress nice and look good you are going to walk up to a girl and she is going to fall for you. Unless you are JT or something.

Get good off the dance floor first and go from there.

Goodluck

[Nekrus]

Yeah, I've somewhat found that to be the case. The times I am able to get a girl to dance with me it's never led to anything else off the floor. One of the other problems is that the music is blasting so it's hard to really talk one on one with a girl even when far from the dance floor. I was talking this girl up yesterday and couldn't hear half of what she was saying and today my voice is shot from yelling so much. The thing that does attract me to the club is there are hundreds of hot girls to open so it seems like it would be a great training ground but it also seems extremely difficult. I've had moderate success in other venues, such as coffee shops and book stores, etc, but from what I've heard a hard location with many targets is far better than an easy location with few targets. Also, I've been increasing my peacocking a bunch in clubs with little effect so far, but from what I can tell almost nobody else takes this approach except for the friends I have winging with me. Next week I'm going to wear a pair of flight goggles in. Also this past week I ended up with a Lay (spelling? Those necklaces of flowers from Hawaii) from some bachlorette party around my neck. That got a lot of attention from misc females but almost nothing more than a few comments here and there, and a few photo ops but nothing substantial. I've only been at this for 4-5 months or so so I'm sure I still have a long way to go but I personally feel somewhat frustrated with my progress thus far.

[playercool]

I am not knocking clubs at all. I have had success there.

Here is my take on clubs.

Clubs = Group of girls dancing together. Their ego's get pushed through the roof because they bring guys into their little dance circle and blow them the fuck out. Bam here are some other guys trying to get in and they do the same thing. A HB6 thinks she is a HB9000 all the sudden.

Clubs = Crazy loud ass music. I have a problem where if there is loud back ground noise I really can't hear. Me and clubs just don't get along. You and everyone else don't get along there very well either because even if you have perfect hearing you still can't hear. It is gay. How are you going to throw any game?

Did you know that in most bars people start to dance? Why don't you guys check out a bar? They are usually much quieter. I like to go to the places that I have had success. Places I haven't had much success(Sherlocks) I hate going to. You guys should check out another place.

There are many forms of peacocking. The lay sounded like it got you opened. When you get opened and they want to take a pic with you use that opportunity to game them. This is a perfect time to play cocky/funny. Grab the camera and offer to take a pic of them. Then turn it around on you and a bud instead. Or zoom in on their chests. Or raise the camera just above their heads. Or cut their heads off. Do you get the idea? Girls like this. You are a fun guy to be around. Now start up with one or more of the girls. Expect to receive some form of kino when you do this. Usually a punch on the arm. Or them getting super pissed. They still like you and are open to game.

Really it just sounds like you are new. That is fine. I've been in this for like 3 months now and I still suck. It is a huge learning experience and you will never know everything. At least you are going out and giving it a try. You keep doing that and you will eventually find success.

Goodluck

[Bull Run]

Club game requires a lot more non-verbal communication than say a bar. I think part of the problem a lot of guys struggle in clubs, myself included, is that we feel out of our element and as such sub-communicate our uncomfort to others through our body language, posture, etc. Even if we have poor body language in a bar, one can usually over come it through verbal game. You simply plow ahead. It's much harder to do this in a club because of the high energy, loudness, and large number of distractions.

PicturePerfect wrote a great post regarding body language and sexual framing that I think may be of assistance:

http://www.dallaspua.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2702

[PicturePerfect]

YOU KNOW!

[Nekrus]

PicturePerfect, I said this in my Intro post but I'll say it again here in case you didn't see that one: Your profile picture is inspiration to us all, I'm sure. Thanks for the tips guys.

[DateDemon]

I have gamed clubs a lot in multiple cities. First of all you have to learn to adjust to the club and the crowd. If you frequent the same club though you should know what the club and crowd is like though. By adjust i mean if the club is full of 6's and has two HB 10's that think they are the shit you are going to have to adjust to knock them off their throne. If the girls are down to earth and a bunch are good looking you will play it differently. Just like adjusting your game to individual girls adjust your game based on a clubs crowd. Also adjust based on environment like if it is loud, bright, no place to sit, whatever.

First things first the truth about clubs. I am a shorter guy and I am decent looking but not good looking enough that it works for itself. Clubs tend to be a lot more shallow than a bar or other venue. This is mostly due to the quick decision girls have to make. It's too loud to talk a lot, and most of the time they have to make a split second decision on the dance floor when you approach them so its usually based off looks which for most of us SUCKS. I have a friend that is really good looking but has no game and he can get any girl he wants in loud clubs like this because he doesn't ruin it by opening his mouth. The GOOD NEWS is that its not the end of the world for you, you just have to be different.

First body language in these places is very important learn to be loud enough without getting all over them. Also if the place has a seating area or a walkway or any area with traffic thats not as loud or just all dancing go there and try to game some girls off the dance floor. it takes the split second decision factor away.

If you do approach girls on the dance floor you could do what all the other guys do and hope some girl thinks you are attractive enough not to blow you out or you could be different. Instead of just walking up and grabbing her or asking her to dance if you have some balls do something funny either bust out some ridiculous dance move in front of her and then start a conversation based off of it

or get a friend in on it and just go up and start sandwiching girls like night at the roxbury style if you think you can pull it off or pick a girl you want to target and have a guy friend go in front of her and start backing it up on her while you start dancing behind her. She will usually start cracking up at your friend backing it up on her and her shield will be completely dropped to you dancing behind her. Then you friend should know he should dismiss himself act like he sees someone else or something and you are with the girl and in =P I know that sounds crazy but it does work a good amount of the time if you have the balls to pull it off. Like i said before though try not to approach on the dance floor anyway though.

If you have VIP at the club play that up to the girls. Also target easier targets in clubs (bachelorette parties for example) If you can get girls to go with you that don't mind you dancing with other girls or if you can meet some girls to use as pivots (intermediate groups before you meet a target) usually dancing with these pivots can open up ground for meeting other girls on the dance floor

DATING INTERTIA- this is a philosophy i came up with a while back and it is so true in clubs. YOU HAVE TO KEEP MOVING. If you are one of those guys that stands by the dance floor just scoping it out girls will realize it and you will be one of the creepy guys the rest of the night. Its like inertia in physics an object in motion will remain in motion and an object at rest will remain at rest. If you get to standing around chances are you are going to remain standing and your game is going to be dead. (this applies to day game and bars as well)

Also if you # close dont walk away immediately in a club. Talk a good 2 more minutes before you leave and make sure you really make an impression so she wont forget you.

DONT MAKE OUT- I know that sounds crazy but its true. Do you want sex? do you want to date her? or do you want a make out? If you make out at the club it usually kills it for further advancement. It is best to just kiss once or twice and leave her wanting more and then getting her to leave with you or meet you later. You can make out but it will be harder to get further later unless you plan on escalating it at the club, (which you can do lol if you are risky),

Well this is long enough and I am totally typing this off the top of my head I hope this helps out and if anyone has any questions just PM me I am always happy to help. I have a ton of info to share it is hard to think of it all but I hope this is some good stuff for you guys =P

[Nekrus]

DateDamon thanks a ton for the post. I'll take a bunch of this into consideration. I'm not actually from Dallas I'm in Mississippi, where there is only 1 (yes one) half-way decent dance club, so as a result you see a lot of the same people week after week. The music is pretty loud almost everywhere here, though there are a few places to sit and talk but they are far off the dance floor in a segmented area where almost nobody hangs out, though I suppose I could pull a girl over there if we wanted to talk some more, of course the problem is getting a girl interested enough in the first place when you have to work through the loud music to say anything at all.

We've tried peacocking a ton but it seems to have a far more limited effect in the club because A) a lot of other guys peacock in the club so you have to up the ante and B) it's dark enough that it's hard to see exactly what you have going on any way unless you are kicking the flashing LEDs and whatnot (which I've thought of doing actually).

Also we bring a few female friends of ours to dance with us which is nice but we seem to spend more time dancing with them than we do opening new sets which is pretty lame. They are hot though so it's good social proof I guess.

At any rate we'll be back there again this weekend and of course here we have St. Patrick's Day Parade coming up this Sat so there will be a ton of game going on for that throughout the entire day and night. I'll keep you guys posted, and thanks again for all the tips, insight, etc...

Oh yeah, one last thing, do you think it's worth taking dance lessons to become good enough to tear it up on the floor? The reason I ask is because we have a few friends who are pro dancers and eat up the floor and many times girls will come from across the floor just to dance with them so that seems like one way to do it. I want to get good at dancing in general any way but if it also gets me more girls then that is just another plus. The thing is it costs like $20 per hour or so and I have absolutely NO rhythm being a white boy and all, so yeah, do you guys think it's worth it to take lessons or just spend that time working on other areas of the game?[/quote]

[DateDemon]

hey man I am here to help so I am glad you liked the advice. To answer your question it really depends on the club. Is it like a salsa club? or a hip hop? or even techno? Most clubs are actually hip hop or techno or a mix of both. Some clubs specialize in salsa and latin music though.

First of all unless the lessons are in freak dancing or unless it is a salsa club it probably won't help a lot =P. If you are going to learn anything dance wise, learn to spin the girl, then spin her and put your hand behind your back and change hands and spin her again. You should also learn how to dip a girl I always just put my knee behind her knee while I am facing her and gently lean her into it so it like tells her to dip. Freak dancing is hard to learn I have actually given lessons lol. I had about 15 guys and got 3 of my hot girl friends to show up and teach the guys how to move it. but I doubt you can find a similar lesson in your town lol even I thought it was crazy and I was the one that put it together.

Just remember that if you are behind a girl dont just stand there. Also if she is vibrating like a cell phone or just all over the place DONT TRY TO KEEP UP lol if you dont have rhythm just let her work it out and you just strike a pose so everyone around watching her shake her ass thinks you are the man =P The basic dance is the side to side and you should be able to learn this pretty easily dont try to do anything too advanced. Then when she is right about to think "Oh damn another boring side to side guy" pop in a spin or two and dip her at the end of the song and they will be putty in your hands =). Not only that but spins are flashy and other girls around will all see it and eat it up.

On taking girls with you... it is fine to take girls with you I just find that sometimes when you ask a group of girls with you, you end up dancing with them ALOT and its hard to get away and dance with other girls because they are your friends and you don't want to leave them hanging. If you get some girls to go that are cool with you leaving for another girl then thats great and I would take them. Also BLACK GIRLS ROCK. If you have the choice between taking 2 cute white friends to the club as pivots or two cute black friends take the black friends. Not only can they dance just as good if not better than any white girl you know but I swear so many girls will be eye fucking the crap out of you. If you show up at a club and have two black girls just going rap video on your ass every white girl in there will think either 1. you are an awesome dancer or 2. you are good in the sack and have a big D. With your rhythm problems trust me they will be leaning towards number 2. =) which ROCKS.

I am a good dancer but honestly like i said before don't depend on the dance floor to game girls. Too loud, too split second. It can be done but if there are other areas I would focus on them.

I think that wraps things up if you have any other questions post them or msg me this is good stuff and I bet guys are learning a lot from this.

good luck -