How many of your natural friends are good looking?

[Slick85]

I am wondering about this, because everyone seems to be so focused on the easy of seduction of the "natural", I wonder if they are just good looking guys and the girls are already attracted to them. By good looking I mean 8 and above. Almost every one of my natural friends are good looking btw.

[playercool]

I know a couple guys who are good looking. I would say they are probably an 8. They both have completely different game.

One is a complete AFC. It is all about numbers for him. He will approach 10 women and probably nail one of them. He is 6' 2" and a big guy. Not built or anything but has the physique. Its all about getting the number and getting her out or over and there is a good chance he will Fclose.

The other one is probably AFC but he runs some game I suppose. At least some of his methods are worthy and could be modeled. Lets just say his demeanor attracts the bar fly horrors. He really doesn't run game he is just an asshole and lets face it a lot of women like that.

I do see where you are going with this. I pretty much agree with what you are trying to get at. Most guys who are naturals are good looking. Combine them with the game and they are deadly. One new lay a week easy if they try.

[Scoundrel]

The best natural I've known looked like John Oats (of the band Hall & Oats the guy on the right in pic) but was only about 5'6" or so. I was at a party with him back in the 80s and saw him pull 3 chicks into a bedroom in under 2 hours.

[El Fenix]

It's all in the 'stache man, all in the 'stache.

[Lion]

Being good looking is an automatic DHV. However, if you don't know how to talk to the women who approach you it makes no difference, you will still go home alone. I don't know too many good looking naturals who routinely get beautiful women. Most real naturals I've come across are rather homely. I know good looking guys who naturally attract women but are too scared of rejection to go after anything other than a sure thing. Most of them are actually pretty shy around women, and they would rather take home an average girl than even attempt tp pick-up a beautiful woman.

[Bull Run]

Being good looking is an automatic DHV. However, if you don't know how to talk to the women who approach you it makes no difference, you will still go home alone. I don't know too many good looking naturals who routinely get beautiful women. Most real naturals I've come across are rather homely. I know good looking guys who naturally attract women but are too scared of rejection to go after anything other than a sure thing. Most of them are actually pretty shy around women, and they would rather take home an average girl than even attempt tp pick-up a beautiful woman.

I concur Lion. Most naturals that I know are amazing at attracting women, but they don't know how to escalate or close unless the woman makes it completely obvious. As such, they'll build attraction with incredible women but not necessarily close high value women (i.e. if the woman becomes the aggressor something's usually wrong with her: too controlling, ugly, desperate, etc.).

A great example is my best friend from high school, still regularly hang with him. He's not especially attractive, but something about him draws people to him...call it charm. A few weeks ago he met an HB8 that I had closed, within an hour she was running her fingers through his hair and giving him a back massage. Shit, she'd never done either with me. Then again, I've fucked her and he hasn't. I thought the whole interaction was hillarious and I'm pretty sure she'd let him close her if he just TRIED a little bit.

Anyway, the point is that I think a lot of naturals don't necessarily understand the level of attraction they build in women because they've been doing it their whole lives. For them, this is how all women act towards them and as such it's to be expected. In their world, if women act a certain way (attracted) towards them they probably act that way towards everyone which makes the natural feel like they really aren't all that special.

[Slick85]

well the thing is the only girls that will chase you hardcore are average, the typical HB8 will not chase a guy... and it seems like the hotter girls care more about confidence while the marginal ones, 6s and 7s, care more about looks... i guess its cause the hot girls know they are hot so looks arent as big of a deal, while a 7 is like OMG a hot guy... but i do see what your saying, most of my good looking friends date average girl, while me, im probably a 6 or 7, has fucked some 8s and 9s

[Lion]

Your natural beauty, or lackof, really doesn't have a lot to do with success. It comes down to how you carry yourself and how you act. Maybe better looking guys will carry themselves because they feel better about themselves. But if you have a very good looking guy, who carries himself well but has no game and can't hold a conversation and pit him against an average guy who knows how to dress, carries himself well and has game the average guy will get the girl most of the time. For any average/unattractive guys here that think you have to be good-looking to get women, let's do a test. Get yourself a pair of lowrise bootcut jeans, a nice shirt, nice shoes. Walk around with your chest out, stomach held in, shoulders not hunched forward, keep your hands out of your pockets, make eye-contact and smile at everyone. Watch all the women that immediately notice you.


How many times have you seen a beautiful woman with a not so handsome man and thought to yourself "what the hell???". My guess is you've seen that a lot.

On the flipside, there are some women who won't go after a guy because he is too good-looking. They would rather stick with an average guy. These are usually the 6's and 7's with low confidence.

[Dragon]

So reading from this post... I see similiarity between the two sexes. (Except there are no PUA groups for females.)

Any male or female HB8 or higher rely solely on their natural ability and hence no need to fine tune their game or get a personality.

It is similar to kid baseball players, Natural players with lots of natural skills and little motivation, don't practice much. A coach would prefer someone with little skills and lots of motivation who practice everyday.

Natural ability will get you in the game but developed skills is what makes a long term winner.

[Lion]

Any male or female HB8 or higher rely solely on their natural ability and hence no need to fine tune their game or get a personality.

Incorrect. Naturals don't need practice because they are naturally good. Just because someone is good looking does not make them a natural with women.