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Postby Westfall » Tue Feb 19, 2008 4:51 pm

omni wrote:My biggest challenge is finding the really target-rich environments (suggestions?). That's why I don't like to let an opportunity w/ someone this good-looking go by, especially when she seems at least a little interested. Maybe I go to the wrong places, but there aren't many 8-9.5s around that I've seen (suggestions?). There are a LOT of 6s though.


By doing this you are subcommunicating that you dont have beautiful women in your life. I recomend making friends with attractive women and pulling them into your social circle. Great social proof and you can go after their friends.

Easier said than done though....

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Postby Vector » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:09 pm

Westfall wrote:And as always break rapport every now and then...


Bad advice. I don't know where you got that you should keep breaking rapport. If she is going to open up to you she can't have you suddenly turning on her. After attraction, you need to turn it OFF.
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Postby Westfall » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:07 pm

Vector wrote:
Westfall wrote:And as always break rapport every now and then...


Bad advice. I don't know where you got that you should keep breaking rapport. If she is going to open up to you she can't have you suddenly turning on her. After attraction, you need to turn it OFF.


I strongly disagree. Breaking rapport on occasion forces her to continue to chase you. It also reminds her that you view her as replaceable. If you turn off breaking rapport, you will turn off the attraction...which will slowly die...then you're in one of those relationships where the girl isn't attracted to you anymore...and that's not good.

Ever make a girl think she is going to lose you? She will chase you like crazy :)

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Postby Finesse » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:25 pm

Westfall wrote:
Vector wrote:
Westfall wrote:And as always break rapport every now and then...


Bad advice. I don't know where you got that you should keep breaking rapport. If she is going to open up to you she can't have you suddenly turning on her. After attraction, you need to turn it OFF.


I strongly disagree. Breaking rapport on occasion forces her to continue to chase you. It also reminds her that you view her as replaceable. If you turn off breaking rapport, you will turn off the attraction...which will slowly die...then you're in one of those relationships where the girl isn't attracted to you anymore...and that's not good.

Ever make a girl think she is going to lose you? She will chase you like crazy :)

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I think what you are meaning is not a break in rapport but a cut off of chasing the relationship.

After youre in comfort (especially while pursuing an LTR) the type of rapport break should be over relationship type material.... Like, "You didn't cook?" "You know how much I hate eating out!"

Type stuff or, like if she DEMANDS you put the toilet seat down after your done or something. (That is of course if you leave it up you sick bastard.)

You don't want to fuck up the rapport you have already built, you just want to halt more rapport from being built at the time being.

Of course you probably can nuke everything and go back to square one, but really.... who has the time for that?
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Postby Vector » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:33 am

Westfall wrote:I strongly disagree. Breaking rapport on occasion forces her to continue to chase you. It also reminds her that you view her as replaceable. If you turn off breaking rapport, you will turn off the attraction...which will slowly die...then you're in one of those relationships where the girl isn't attracted to you anymore...and that's not good.

Ever make a girl think she is going to lose you? She will chase you like crazy :)

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You don't have to break rapport, but you do have to have balls and stand up for yourself and not supplicate. Supplicating and breaking rapport (or 'negging') are perhaps at opposite ends of the spectrum, but if you keep acting like an asshole, she will get tired of it and leave because you're acting like an asshole.

If you get into a situation where she controls you, where you are subordinate to her, then yes attraction will die very fast. But you don't have to break rapport to prevent that. All you need to do is man up.

For example, let's say she asks you to do something you don't want to do. You have lots of options, among which are:
A: Yes, anything for you baby
B: I like you, but no, I'm not going to do that
C: You're losing me

Early in a pickup, I would say the best response is C. But in comfort or in a relationship, C does more harm than good. It may produce a strong short term reaction but longer term it's going to be really unhealthy.
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Postby Bull Run » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:13 am

Vector wrote:
Westfall wrote:I strongly disagree. Breaking rapport on occasion forces her to continue to chase you. It also reminds her that you view her as replaceable. If you turn off breaking rapport, you will turn off the attraction...which will slowly die...then you're in one of those relationships where the girl isn't attracted to you anymore...and that's not good.

Ever make a girl think she is going to lose you? She will chase you like crazy :)

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You don't have to break rapport, but you do have to have balls and stand up for yourself and not supplicate. Supplicating and breaking rapport (or 'negging') are perhaps at opposite ends of the spectrum, but if you keep acting like an asshole, she will get tired of it and leave because you're acting like an asshole.


I think it's perfectly OK to be an asshole from time to time as long as you hedge against it with thoughtful, sweet actions. It's fine to keep her guessing at times about where she stands in your relationship as long as you tell her/show her that you do care for her from time to time.
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Postby Dragon » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:51 pm

Westfall wrote:
Vector wrote:
Westfall wrote:And as always break rapport every now and then...


Bad advice. I don't know where you got that you should keep breaking rapport. If she is going to open up to you she can't have you suddenly turning on her. After attraction, you need to turn it OFF.


I strongly disagree. Breaking rapport on occasion forces her to continue to chase you. It also reminds her that you view her as replaceable. If you turn off breaking rapport, you will turn off the attraction...which will slowly die...then you're in one of those relationships where the girl isn't attracted to you anymore...and that's not good.

Ever make a girl think she is going to lose you? She will chase you like crazy :)

WF



I agree.

Woman loves drama. You give her a perfect livelihood it is always not good enough. It is either your ass or your brother-in-law or mother-in-law or mother or kids... it is always something. It is like the Matrix... The First Matrix was a perfect world, no pain and no diease... and it was a disaster. hehe...

At least with the breaking of rapport (I would call it Push-Pull) you have the control value of the drama when it is focus on you.

I would add Nice guys do get cheated on. Don't turn into a pussy.
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Postby Howiestern » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:52 pm

After a 14 year relationship with the perfect woman, I'd have to say yeah it's a good idea to break rapport. You never want them to take you for granted. Do what it takes to keep the relationship from going flat. Too much fighting in a relationship is just as unhealthy as too little, turn into a chump and she'll lose all respect and find somebody else.

The behavior you exhibited to win her heart is what's also needed to keep her heart. That's who she fell in love with. Take it from a badboy who turned niceguy and lost her interests.

Now that I'm back on the market, I've sort of reverted back to my inner bad boy. I've been a dick to my ex and showed her I'm not really interested and she is trying harder than ever before to re-develop a relationship with me! It's funny how that works, but quit trying so hard and they'll come chase you is so true.
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Postby Westfall » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:39 pm

Vector wrote:You don't have to break rapport, but you do have to have balls and stand up for yourself and not supplicate. Supplicating and breaking rapport (or 'negging') are perhaps at opposite ends of the spectrum, but if you keep acting like an asshole, she will get tired of it and leave because you're acting like an asshole.


This is why you must also be sweet & romantic...it is important to give her intense emotional feelings. You can actually even suplicate on occasion...how could getting down on one knee and giving her a diamond ring NOT be considered suplication? And yet girls still stay with the guys that do that.

I agree with you that there are two ends of the spectrum you want to stay away from. Imagine on one side there is Nice guy/supplication zone, and on the other, ther is super-asshole/westfall zone. Being in either one of these zones is bad--you want to keep in in the middle, however, I disagree on how this should be done. (see below)

If you get into a situation where she controls you, where you are subordinate to her, then yes attraction will die very fast. But you don't have to break rapport to prevent that. All you need to do is man up.

For example, let's say she asks you to do something you don't want to do. You have lots of options, among which are:
A: Yes, anything for you baby
B: I like you, but no, I'm not going to do that
C: You're losing me


Correct me if I am wrong, but I think you would try to go with B in these situations. This certainly is neither nice guy or asshole, and is an acceptable response....but what I think is an even better is to give her a calibrated mix of A, B, and C answers. This gives her an emotional rollercoster so to speak that still keeps things outside of either danger zones. NOTE: You'll notice if you go to far into the danger zones.

and it keeps her guessing about the relationship and working to maintain it.

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Postby Dragon » Sat Feb 23, 2008 3:06 pm

Look I am a super nice guy.
I was even in a Christian Home Group Every Sunday Evening studying "Love, Sex and Long Lasting Relationship" by Chip Ingram and one of the exercise was to practice agape love... which is Unconditional Love and love her no matter what, even if she don't deserve it. One of the Biggest Freaking MISTAKE of my LIFE. Agape Love belongs to God and not with a Man and a woman because it makes you into the biggest pussy around.

I agree there is the middle ground.. between being a big pussy or being a big dick. I would not suggest being neutral either but go to the edge of each and be in control. There will always be some kind of drama... let it be something that you fabicate so that it can be solved together.
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