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Postby photomaker » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:16 pm

OK.................

Here we go..........

So I just got off the phone with a buddy of mine. I have know him for probly 8 years and even went to college with him. He has always been a good wing man over the years. Dresses great, lots of style and natural game. His family is VERY wealthy. Both parents are doctors and have always given him anything at anytime. He's lived in New York, London, Santa Barbara, Texas and probably random places all in between.

About 2 months ago I introduced him into the game. He didn't go out and buy the book right away but he was very interested and picked my brain regularly with interest. I would tell him some cool scripts and theorys as far as negs go and so forth.

Well, about a week ago I introduced him to another area I've been somewhat interested in which is NLP. I only told him a few of the possibiltys I have read about and honestly I didn't tell him much. I try not to talk to people who aren't into it cause I'm sure normal people would think I'm crazy for even being interested. Let me go back for a sec if I can. He lives in an upscale loft in the downtown uptown area. Really nice expensive place. He has a friend there who is a magician, pua, and a student of NLP!! He has a library of books in his place that range from gaming to, influencing people, misdirection any who knows what else. Lets just say I know this guy and he is a great prodigy of the game. Actually, he is in his mid 30's and been doing magic since 13 and tought me MANY things I didn't know about NLP and the game. Its actually scary because he chooses his words like we do. But, much, much better than me.

So about two weeks ago this guys started messing with my buddys head. He called me and thought his house was bugged and everyone in his building was consipering against him. I'm not sure what he did nor does my buddy. But, he for sure messed with him and I dont think my buddy has the mental capacity to handle. He has been on perscription drugs, zanax, atterol, and almost anything else you can think of over his life. You know his parents are doctors they eat that shit up. I'm sure he's been on some kind of crap since 13.

The past 3 days he has been calling me and telling me how much he appreciates me as a friend and how he needs my help but always want to go eat dinner. (I can tell he is messed up, he's not acting at all like my friend and very shaddy and lying to me and is emotional and very, VERY scattered.)

I've just washed it off my back, "he's a big boy he's been through lots of stuff I'm not his daddy. Whatever reason he's acting weird he better just leave that out of my life."

So I just get a call from him and he is in the Green Oaks hospital here on 75 & Forest. He is telling me he needs my help and I'm the only number he know by memory. He said his mom put him in there and he's in a room with a bunch of crazy people. (I can hear people in the background yelling randomly and people walking by. It sounds busy almost like a busy grocery store.) I mean were talking 12 Monkeys shit here alright??

He said he wants me to come pick him up now. "I need your help and I dont know what I'm doing in here." I ask, why did they put you in there, for what reason?? Which he replies, "I DONT KNOW"

He even at one point said people were trying to kill him!! But very normally like it was casual conversation.

The responce from him that freaked me out the most was he mentioned the game and all that stuff I had been getting him into. He mentioned scripts and thats all he said. He thought they were recording him so he was being very stealthy. I of course acted like he was crazy and didn't say anything about anything. "What are you talking about?? Your talking crazy man I'm worried about you bud." I said. Number 1 rule for us all of course. ;)

He begs me to come pick him up and I tell him I'm going to call his mom and talk to he. He agrees and tells me to tell his mom he loves her.

I've been trying to call his mom and cant get her on the phone.

So my question is what should I do?!?! I'm not going to roll up to this mental health hospital and try to pick him up when he's telling me people are trying to kill him!! I did try to call up there and they said they couldn't confirm or deny that he was even there without a patient ID# but I know he's there the number is the same one as there web site#.

Did I mess his head up?? Did his friend mess him up???? Should I have even said anything about anything to the guy?? Am I being an asshole for thinking the way I am? Any advice would sure be appreciate.

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Postby El Fenix » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:40 pm

I have a psychology degree, and know I'm not qualified to really give advice on this.
What I will do is share a real story that happened to a friend of mine about a year and a half ago.

We will call him "Joe," is a real outgoing guy, life of the party, good guy, and great friend.
He suddenly, no warning, starts crying all the time, feels very depressed, and doesnt know what to do. He checks into a clinic in Denton for a week or so. Some of his friends visit him while there, myself included. He's on some perscription anti-depressants for a while, that he slowly comes off of, and everything is ok again.
He just had an "episode", and nothing like it has happened before or since.
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Postby playercool » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:46 pm

Sounds like he is schizophrenic.

I would go research this on the internet before you do anything. He probably does need some help. He probably does need some medication.

Man if his parents are both doctors and they put him in there they might know best.

He is probably going to have a hard life going forward. Good thing his parents are rich enough to help him out.

I don't think I would go get him. Think of this place like a rehab center for someone addicted to drugs. Sure it sucks but there is a chance it could help the guy. Let him stay there and get treatment.
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Postby photomaker » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:34 pm

Appreciate the advise guys!!

So I left him there and talked to his mom the next morning. She said he flipped out and took off from her earlier in the day while they were downtown for lunch. He then went to the W hotel and did something to get arrested and then somehow the cops talked to him mom and she got them to put him in Green Oaks. Crazy Shit.... Haven't heard anything else but thanks again for the quick responce!! I'll repost once I hear anymore.

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Postby MagicBalls » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:11 pm

It doesn't sound like you did anything that could harm him. Just talking about NLP wouldn't make somebody crazy.

Maybe his other friend messing with him could have acted as a trigger for something that was already there waiting to surface. More than likely, the timing is just a coincidence.
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Re: Need Help, Can Only Ask You Guys

Postby Westfall » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:40 pm

photomaker wrote:OK.................

Here we go..........

So I just got off the phone with a buddy of mine. I have know him for probly 8 years and even went to college with him. He has always been a good wing man over the years. Dresses great, lots of style and natural game. His family is VERY wealthy. Both parents are doctors and have always given him anything at anytime. He's lived in New York, London, Santa Barbara, Texas and probably random places all in between.

About 2 months ago I introduced him into the game. He didn't go out and buy the book right away but he was very interested and picked my brain regularly with interest. I would tell him some cool scripts and theorys as far as negs go and so forth.

Well, about a week ago I introduced him to another area I've been somewhat interested in which is NLP. I only told him a few of the possibiltys I have read about and honestly I didn't tell him much. I try not to talk to people who aren't into it cause I'm sure normal people would think I'm crazy for even being interested. Let me go back for a sec if I can. He lives in an upscale loft in the downtown uptown area. Really nice expensive place. He has a friend there who is a magician, pua, and a student of NLP!! He has a library of books in his place that range from gaming to, influencing people, misdirection any who knows what else. Lets just say I know this guy and he is a great prodigy of the game. Actually, he is in his mid 30's and been doing magic since 13 and tought me MANY things I didn't know about NLP and the game. Its actually scary because he chooses his words like we do. But, much, much better than me.

So about two weeks ago this guys started messing with my buddys head. He called me and thought his house was bugged and everyone in his building was consipering against him. I'm not sure what he did nor does my buddy. But, he for sure messed with him and I dont think my buddy has the mental capacity to handle. He has been on perscription drugs, zanax, atterol, and almost anything else you can think of over his life. You know his parents are doctors they eat that shit up. I'm sure he's been on some kind of crap since 13.

The past 3 days he has been calling me and telling me how much he appreciates me as a friend and how he needs my help but always want to go eat dinner. (I can tell he is messed up, he's not acting at all like my friend and very shaddy and lying to me and is emotional and very, VERY scattered.)

I've just washed it off my back, "he's a big boy he's been through lots of stuff I'm not his daddy. Whatever reason he's acting weird he better just leave that out of my life."

So I just get a call from him and he is in the Green Oaks hospital here on 75 & Forest. He is telling me he needs my help and I'm the only number he know by memory. He said his mom put him in there and he's in a room with a bunch of crazy people. (I can hear people in the background yelling randomly and people walking by. It sounds busy almost like a busy grocery store.) I mean were talking 12 Monkeys shit here alright??

He said he wants me to come pick him up now. "I need your help and I dont know what I'm doing in here." I ask, why did they put you in there, for what reason?? Which he replies, "I DONT KNOW"

He even at one point said people were trying to kill him!! But very normally like it was casual conversation.

The responce from him that freaked me out the most was he mentioned the game and all that stuff I had been getting him into. He mentioned scripts and thats all he said. He thought they were recording him so he was being very stealthy. I of course acted like he was crazy and didn't say anything about anything. "What are you talking about?? Your talking crazy man I'm worried about you bud." I said. Number 1 rule for us all of course. ;)

He begs me to come pick him up and I tell him I'm going to call his mom and talk to he. He agrees and tells me to tell his mom he loves her.

I've been trying to call his mom and cant get her on the phone.

So my question is what should I do?!?! I'm not going to roll up to this mental health hospital and try to pick him up when he's telling me people are trying to kill him!! I did try to call up there and they said they couldn't confirm or deny that he was even there without a patient ID# but I know he's there the number is the same one as there web site#.

Did I mess his head up?? Did his friend mess him up???? Should I have even said anything about anything to the guy?? Am I being an asshole for thinking the way I am? Any advice would sure be appreciate.

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Sounds likes this would make a good opinion opener

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Postby JP2008 » Wed Feb 27, 2008 2:46 pm

playercool wrote:Sounds like he is schizophrenic.


I agree with Playercool, it does sound like he is schizophrenic and to be honest there is not much you can do for that. Although there is medication for it he will probably get off it from time to time (they tend to do this when they think they are "better"). That being said it would not really matter what you told him, he would find conspiracies in anything.

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Postby Dragon » Thu Feb 28, 2008 2:53 pm

If you help him.. than he is your problem when he flips out.

Did you talk to his friend about what happened?
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Postby photomaker » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:04 pm

No Man I havent talked to his buddy at all. I did hear from my friend today finally. He was acting much more normal and like him regular self again. Wanted to go eat dinner but I have to mentally prepare myself for that shit. I think your right though. This is the kind of guy who is an natural con artist and if you give him an inch he will take a mile. I'll meet up with him for dinner this weekend probably and let you guys know what his thoughts were about the whole situation.

O and by the way I'm for sure taking Westfalls advice and turning it into a script. I think its a perfect opinion opener now that I think about it. So once I get it written I'll post it on here and who knows might work for all of us!!

I do think that what Adam had to say a few nights ago hit home for me. Ask questions that I'm interested in or is a really event in my life. I no longer want to just run generic scripts but convert them into real questions. Although I do want to have a good solid bunch of scripts to fall back on when I go black. HAHAH

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