FR: Sherlocks/Blackfinn Sunday Night

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FR: Sherlocks/Blackfinn Sunday Night

Postby p4nzer » Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:30 am

JP2008, me and another PUA (I do not remember his handle; call him J for now) went to Sherlocks and Blackfinn on Sunday night.
The past two times I've been out I have been kind of frustrated at myself because I didn't feel like I was improving.

Fortunately, I had been analyzing my game and got some advice from a good friend of mine from Austin and was eager to try them out. I got to blackfinn around 10pm and the place was dead. JP was already in a 3 set (the only all female set) and J was opening some mixed sets. I wasn't comfortable was opening a mixed set so I decided to use that time to study their body language and listen in on their game.

Around 10:45 we decide to head to Sherlocks. This place was dead too. Again, I listened in on JP and J work their game on our waitress and it was defintely a great learning experience. We shoot the shit for about 45 minutes before we get bored and decide to go open the few sets that were available.

The first set I opened was a drunk haggy looking blonde that kind of scared me (she didnt look as bad when I did my passover then opener). I opened with who lies more and she ate that shit up. She kept touching me and I said Hey what are you doing, cause I remember mystery doing something similar except "his was this aint shit aint free or something".
Honestly, I think she was looking for an lay, and that fucked up her mood real quick or I wasnt being playful enough. Then I tried to transition into a story my vegas trip during christmas break, by telling her her hair reminded me of a stripper I met there. BIG mistake, she siad I am not a stripper and then began singing the song the band playing. So I blew myself out but not a big deal, my body langauge was much better then before (I was being too direct in the past) and she was being receptive until I f'ed it up.

The 2nd set I opened was an Albanian girl and her fat friend. I would rate albanian as a 3 and the fat friend a 2 (It was sunday night and I needed practice :lol: ) They were just sitting there doing nothing. I opened with jealous gf but made sure to give a false time constraint and angle my seat at a 90 degree angle (thx J!). Again very good reception. After talking about that for 5 minutes or so, J entered the set and was alittle too direct and they ended up leaving.

Finally, the last set was opened by JP. It was a two set but JP asked us to join him so we could have fun together. I was planned not so say much and just listen in, but things didnt work out that way.

I ended up hitting it off great with this half asian looking chick and I have never gotten as many IOIs as I have with this girl hb6.5. She kept touching my arm, laughing at my jokes (even some of the lamer ones) and asked a lot of question about myself. She also told me that she had been single for a long time (I intrepret that as I'm ready for a relationship) and even told me her age (35 cougar!). Things that I had NOT asked about her and were just things she sort of mentioned. I think those were prolly the biggest IOIs that she made with me. I did kino with her alittle but not as much as I would have liked, and I need to work on escalation as well.

I wanted to number close but since this was JP's set and he was trying to bounce her to breakfast I decided not to (though it is killing me because I want to know if she would have given to to me; sort of like a report card from school). All in all it was great fun, I felt I made improvement and I'm very pleased we were able to make a "dead" night into a live one.

Improvements:
Body Language; esp body position on openers (was being too direct before)
Transitioning into stories after openers/negs (was not doing it before)
Negs (I used to get really offended facial expressions, whoops! :twisted: )

Lacking:
Kino could be better
Escalation
Building more attraction (?)
Also I hate using canned openers, I've done original situational openers in the past but those are not always available. Eventually, I hope to not have to use any of the canned stuff.

Thx JP and J for great night, and Im open to any criticism / critique.
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Postby Alphagame » Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:48 am

Black Finn's is always packed on Monday Nights. As for Sunday, Tuesday & Wednesday nights, I don't know where to go. I live in the northern suburbs. Any advice appreciated.
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Postby knight rose » Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:49 am

Sorry man...I walked into the set and was standing while you guys were all seated. I sat down and then tried to go into a routine but the girls were still discussing your opener and instead of cutting the thread I let them go on. Bad call on my part...but I miscalibrated.

Black fin packed on Monday nights?

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Postby Dragon » Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:43 am

Hey P4..

Great report.
Did JP indicate or Neg which girl he was after?
As I understand it, The last girl introduced or being neg, is the Opener's Target.

Or was it just a test and practice run?

BTW, at this table, were you guys separated or grouped together?
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Postby playercool » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:08 pm

Well done P4nzer. Glad to hear you made it out and sarged. It sounds like you are improving. You have to really get out there and incorporate stuff to get better. Well Done.

I was at Blackfinn last Monday. Let me tell you there were about 12 hotties in there. I was thouroughly impressed with the place. I would go back but I fclosed a girl I met from there last Monday. I guess she goes there almost every Monday or something. Ohh well maybe that will end up being the 2:00AM Monday night Guarantee.
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Postby p4nzer » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:45 pm

knight rose wrote:Sorry man...I walked into the set and was standing while you guys were all seated. I sat down and then tried to go into a routine but the girls were still discussing your opener and instead of cutting the thread I let them go on. Bad call on my part...but I miscalibrated.

Black fin packed on Monday nights?

~knight rose


no worries it doesnt matter I wasnt into them at all. I opened them cause you challenged me and it was good practice. =D I blew out finesse on his set and the girl he was talking to frigging smoking. Sorry finesse! On bright side, atleast I was able to fix/work on the things that caused that fiasco.
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Postby p4nzer » Mon Feb 11, 2008 1:48 pm

Imager wrote:Hey P4..

Great report.
Did JP indicate or Neg which girl he was after?
As I understand it, The last girl introduced or being neg, is the Opener's Target.

Or was it just a test and practice run?

BTW, at this table, were you guys separated or grouped together?


No I didn't know who he was after it was my first night out with him (we should def talk about this beforehand next time). And at the table if you mean the one with the half asian chick. It was us three and the girl sitting on a square table for most of the night. The other girl did ended up leaving and talking to another guy for the better half of the night.


BTW does anyone know why the drunk scary girl got all pissted off when I said hey what are you doing when she kept touching me? What did I do wrong? I see mystery do it and it works for him :x. When I was kinoing I kept touching that hb half asian's waist, are there other areas to touch (ok sounds perverted). I get bored of touching teh same area over and over again (k that sounded even more perverted) :lol:
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Postby JP2008 » Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:54 pm

p4nzer it was great sarging with you and it was my bad on the two set I brought you guys into. I should have done a better job of briefing you but I will correct that next time. I thought you were doing good with that chick. Are you going to come out tonight, I am exhausted from last night but it was so much fun that I want to go out again. If you want to come out we could sarge early.

As far as the girl that lost it earlier in the night I would not take it to seriously but it sounds like through her intoxicated fog she might have taken what you intended to be a joke as a direct insult. She probably felt that you were really rejecting her and she reacted poorly. I find that in some cases as a girl gets increasingly intoxicated she also gets more sensitive (and not in a good way :wink: ). I think it is not necessarily an aspect of girls but that whole some people are fun drunks and some people are mean drunks thing, definitely some truth in that.

In regards to the kino question, there are several aspects to consider. In my opinion first and foremost is how you touch, obviously never grab, always a light touch. Personally I start at the back of the shoulder blades, next the mid back and finally the lower back but never any further early on. I am interested to hear what other members do, if they stick to certain areas, if they have a pattern etc.
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Postby playercool » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:59 pm

IMO Kinoing the hands is important. I always like to do the ganster hand shake at some point. Shoulder/upper arm is always a good place as it doesn't cause the girl to get standoffish. During escalation other places become much more important. I also like to do the rock but just as they are about to hit my hand I grab theirs(Wrap my hand around their rock). Then I say ohh you lose and suck at rock paper scissors. Yes that is gay as shit but works. <--- I usually have attraction before I do this.

For example if I know a girl is into me I grab her hair right above her neck and give it a good tug. If you are not using this move you are really missing out. Even if a girl doesn't like the whole hair pulling they tend to go a little nuts over this. <-- In a good way. Please only do this when you have attraction otherwise you will get blown out for sure.
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