LR: Sort of...

[Bull Run]

Disclaimer

***I’m generally not one to post LRs for a variety of reasons mainly because I take all LRs with a grain of salt and because it doesn’t seem appropriate to ‘game’ a girl and then post your conquest on a semi-public forum. Having said that, I will post an LR if it’s because 1) I feel the experience is somehow going to improve someone else’s game or 2) I stumble across something I’ve never experienced before.***

Last night I was having a hard time getting in the mode to sarge. I just didn’t have much momentum, but the thoughts of staying in on a Saturday night seemed pathetic. So, I manned up and made some calls and found some wings. Last night I ended up at Sherlocks in Addison, which turned out to be loaded with tons of guys from the Community. Anyway, in my opinion Addison is probably the easiest part of the city to pull chicks. You have quality issues sure, but SNLs are common.

Last night was no different. I pulled an HB7.5/8 (for those of you that were there, it was the chick with Lisa Loeb glasses) last night and bounced her to Café Brazil for breakfast, a common tactic I employ while sarging in Addison. After we finish eating, I take her back to her car and follow her back to her place. At her place I run into LMR the likes of which I’ve never before experienced. Initially I played it to perfection, freezing her out when I get resistance and changing the nature of the interaction. For example:

She was wearing a dress with tights. So, I when I tried to take off her tights she pushes me away. “We’re not having sex tonight.” I respond by taking my hands off of her and turning my back to her and saying “Ok, so do you have anything to drink?” Then I stand up and walk over to her kitchen to see what she has. She follows me to the kitchen and starts trying to get my attention again by kissing the back of my neck. I reward her by opening back up and kissing and touching her. After doing this I’m able to get her tights off, lift her onto the kitchen counter, and then go down on her.

Anyway, I step ladder our interaction using the freeze/reward model from just making out to getting her completely naked, on her knees giving me a blow job. I’ve never really had a problem with LMR, I’ve always been able to plow through. BUT, in this situation I wasn’t able to break all the way through the LMR to get her in BED. She just kept saying that she wouldn’t have sex with me on the first night, no amount of freezing out or reframing the situation worked. So, I tried something I’d never had to use before…the massage. This didn’t work either…

Apparently my prior success with blowing through LMR has left this part of my game a little bit weak because it’s something that I’ve never really focused on. What other techniques are there for blowing through LMR?

[JP2008]

You may be concerned about the LMR but excellent job man. I know you were not feeling 100% but you hung in there like a champ, smooth through the adversity. She was smokin man, great job!

[RockStar]

I've been considering just this problem in my quest for SNLs. I've discovered that LMR is defeated before you ever even leave the venue.

with LMR frame her choices.
you have a couple of mindsets to chose from (that I know about) each is different and unique in it's effect on the sarge.

A: "the boyfriend frame"- use mystery's "you've hijacked my brain" gambit to achieve this frame. In my opinion the reason you got LMR was because she's considering you as a potential LTR and her social value is important to maintain.

B: "the fuckable frame" - use CJ's sexual framing. tell her you're not judgmental, tell her she's aggressive ect. make it her choice to fuck you. limit her perceived options by controlling the sub-communication/presuppositions of the interaction. It's very similar to TD's secret society post.
(this is the frame I'm working on.)

-Rockstar

Ps. great job man she was really cute and peacocked to the gills.

[Bull Run]

After meeting stiff resistance Saturday night, I was determined to bed this chick as soon as possible. So, last night I did something that I never do: I invited her to my place (almost never happens) the day after I had initially met her (almost never happens either). Last night there was no LMR. She later told me that she didn't have sex with me the first night because she has a 'strict no sex on the first night policy.' This makes me wonder if, just as Rockstar had stated, she's trying to use sex to get an LTR...

[Vector]

"No sex on the first night" does not mean she wants an LTR. It means she is sensitive about sex on the first night because it makes her feel slutty. She wants to break her own rule but she tells herself she "shouldn't."

One thing I've done is to go to sleep and go for it the next morning. The atmosphere and the general vibe in the morning is very different. The ONS feeling in her brain is greatly reduced, and so is the resistance.

[Dragon]

BTW, I blank out when I am on the field.
But as I recall from the Game or Swinggcat Stuff... to counter the anti-slut defense, Swinggcat would say " we shouldn't be doing this" something like a push-pull method before she puts up the resistance. In order for her to want it more and then you having the control of how far.

Hey I don't know, I only read the stuff.

Anybody ever tried doing this and the method working?

[Westfall]

Oh, and what of her friend--the one I number closed? We made plans to go get coffee at WF next time im in dallas. Any thoughts?

Btw, you did great on dealing with LMR. Freezing out and reframing is about all you can do. If you run into some fearce LMR, you can just back off, cuddle, and sleep with her. After this, it will be very much easier to get her over again and fclose her....which is just as good as a SNL, IMO

WF

[Bull Run]

BTW, I blank out when I am on the field.
But as I recall from the Game or Swinggcat Stuff... to counter the anti-slut defense, Swinggcat would say " we shouldn't be doing this" something like a push-pull method before she puts up the resistance. In order for her to want it more and then you having the control of how far.

Hey I don't know, I only read the stuff.

Anybody ever tried doing this and the method working?

Yeah, the push-pull method usually works. I've employed it successfully many, many times. This is the first time it hasn't worked, which was the reason for the post.

[Bull Run]

Oh, and what of her friend--the one I number closed? We made plans to go get coffee at WF next time im in dallas. Any thoughts?

Btw, you did great on dealing with LMR. Freezing out and reframing is about all you can do. If you run into some fearce LMR, you can just back off, cuddle, and sleep with her. After this, it will be very much easier to get her over again and fclose her....which is just as good as a SNL, IMO

WF

Thanks for the kudos.

I don't think you were the only one to number close her. But, according to the one I bagged the girl you number closed is madly in love with some dude, is still a virgin, and plans on giving him her flower shortly. But, we all know with women that that means absolutely nothing...

Anyway, I thought you guys would appreciate this but the girl I F-closed has accused me of stealing some of Dane Cook's material. It seems I have a very similar sense of humor and I run at least two routines very similar to some of his jokes...the one about going to the movies and the girl always wanting snacks after you sit down and the one about how women win fights by saying something really cruel and subtle in passing then dropping the fight and waiting for you to get worked up and incoherent. Before this weekend, I thought Dane Cook was an author that wrote political/law dramas like John Grisham or Tom Clancey...

[Westfall]

Before this weekend, I thought Dane Cook was an author that wrote political/law dramas like John Grisham or Tom Clancey...

I thought he was a Chef...

So, chances of WF swooping in and taking her flower?

"You're saving sex until after marriage( or Love)?, that's sooo cool because I'm saving marriage (or Love) until after sex"

Westfall