I think I'm a total mysogonist at times

[Alphagame]

I mean, these women use abso-fucking-lutely NO logic when selecting a boyfriend.

I was divorced a year ago and had ZERO game. None. I couldn't get the time of day from women.

Now that I know them and understand them, they are their own worst enemy. I sincerely believe that.

I can't tell you how many times I shot myself in the foot, unknowingly, and got rejected (and felt rejection) by women because I made it perfectly clear to them that I wanted an exclusive relationship early on. Or, I'd blow it with perfectly good women because I failed their jealousy shit-tests.

But now that I've figured out how to game them, how to make them fall totally in love with me, I'm now the heart breaker. For the first time in my life, I feel that if I can get a woman to go out with me, it is 100% my option if we see each other again. She has no choice. She will fall deeply in love with me if I allow it to happen.

Getting them to go out with me is a challenge, but if they allow it, and don't flake, I'm now totally in control of whether or not we see each other again.

And the thing is, I've dated several women who have told me, and the conversation is starting to get monotonous with each new woman, but they tell me how I do something to them that the other 35 men they dated last year couldn't do. So I probe, "What did they do?" "Well, it's like they're just too needy. They start talking about a relationship on the first date or two. For whatever reason, I'm just not into that. It's just too much too early."

So I've learned to keep the relationship talk out ENTIRELY until they bring it up. The problem for them is, by the time they find the balls to bring it up, they're already in love with me. THEN, they learn that I have other girlfriends and have no intention of seeing them exclusively. But that's what they want, every time. They want an exclusive relationship. But they're with me because all the guys before me who wanted what they wanted...an exclusive relationship...they rejected.

I mean, there have actually been times where I've gone out with women and they didn't feel right or I realized they were too fat or whatever. I KNOW that I could let them down EASY by simply sending them a text message hours after I see them saying "I love you". That would assure that it was over and they'd get out without feeling rejection.

The irony of the whole fucking thing is, once they've been out with me a few times, they start probing me, what'd you do last night? Why are you so tired today? (Translated: I want an exclusive relationship with you...were you with another woman last night???) But, wait a minute you stupid little bitch...let's hit the rewind button to just a few dates ago...had I told you on our first date that I had no other girlfriends and I wanted to be your boyfriend, you would have rejected me on the spot and made me feel heartbreak & rejection. I mean, you're getting exactly what you wanted. Why are you repulsed by me if I want you exclusively but you're attracted to me if I don't?

It's like God's catch 22 on human sexuality and sexual attraction.

My new goal for 2008 isn't how many women can I successfully seduce and get laid by. I really don't like one night stands very much. But I do enjoy getting women to fall madly in love with me. All I wanted a year ago was for one woman to love me for who I was then. But I couldn't find that. In order to get women to love me, I've had to spend countless hours, obsessively scouring the internet and reading books and literature on the subject. Working out at the gym 4 days per week. Watching what I eat. Spending money on clothes. A fresh haircut every 2 weeks. Tanning salons. It's a LOT of effort. There's no fucking way one woman could possibly be worth this much effort. Besides, relationships get boring real fast when they're exclusive...at least that's been my finding. So going forward, I intend to keep a minimum of 2 girlfriends around at all times. And search for upgrades. Yes, someone's going to get their heart broken...I just hope it isn't me.

Deep down inside, I want to break their hearts into a million tiny pieces...to get even with woman-kind for the feelings of rejection that I've felt in the past. I didn't understand how to play this STUPID illogical game and I had my heart broken over and over again. Now that I do know how to play the game, I want to get even with woman-kind. I'll never be able to get even with the specific women who rejected me, but now that I understand what I understand, I can get even with woman-kind.

Does this make me a mysoginist???

[EL CHUPACABRA]

My new goal for 2008 isn't how many women can I successfully seduce and get laid by.

word!!! See that's what I'm talking about my brother! I'm in!!

[Vector]

I understand what you're saying because I felt similar things before I learned about game.

The difference was that my frustration was not aimed at women specifically, but at the world. As if God were playing a cruel joke. How is it that someone like me who has so much to offer is passed over for guys who are such losers? It's so unfair, and unjust.

Then as I was learning the game I realized, yes the game is asymmetrical, but it's not unfair. Played properly, men can have the power.

But for me, women are not my opponents. I have no ill will toward them, it's the system that I want to beat. And the PUA techniques and strategies are what enable that.

[Welsh_Dragon]

mate,

How are you so sure women's procreation tactics and mate rejection criteria fail them in their ultimate goal(s)? The fact most women reject needy, dependent, etc. behaviour should clue you in to a lot. This is the MAJORITY of what they are screening for IMO. To covertly convey you understand these facts IS to be a desirable male as you have found out.

I personally believe women's methods do succeed on a genetic level but part of it is also basic human psycology. We want what we can't/don't have. The grass is always greener. If something is a challenge to get it must be worth having. Marketing gurus have known all of this and more for donkey's years. This is why you need her chasing you and must own the frame at all times.

Instead of wondering why they do it how about just accepting that they do and moving on. Embrace the shit test for what it brings. A leading indicator.

[playercool]

Way to put your thoughts out on paper. That right there prob made you feel a little better.

So you were rejected in the past. Man I gotta say that is normal. Talk to any women in the world and she will tell you this. You were basically coming off kinda creepy. Now this wasn't your fault. You just didn't know any better on how to act around women.

You have taken quantem leaps with not only your game but your life. How much better of a person are you now? The rejection from women lead you to the person you are now.

Instead of breaking hearts you need to think about how amazing these past women were. You actually should be hunting them down and thanking them for the gift they bestowed upon you. In the meantime thank the countless women that come into your life.

Goodluck

[Bull Run]

Deep down inside, I want to break their hearts into a million tiny pieces...to get even with woman-kind for the feelings of rejection that I've felt in the past. I didn't understand how to play this STUPID illogical game and I had my heart broken over and over again. Now that I do know how to play the game, I want to get even with woman-kind. I'll never be able to get even with the specific women who rejected me, but now that I understand what I understand, I can get even with woman-kind.

We've all been there. But, you've got to shed yourself of this way of thinking. It's self-destructive and will bleed into your game. Unfortunately, I think the only way to really get past these feelings is to break their hearts a couple of times. I've found the hardest part of the game isn't getting the girl, it's cutting her loose without hurting her too badly. Game is about becoming a better man, by purposefully crushing them you aren't rising above. You're using all of these powerful tools to fulfill some need of revenge, how does that make you a better person? Fight the urge to toy with their emotions, you're better than that. We all are.

[Dragon]

Alphagame...

Are you still in love with your EX?





Great Post by the way. I feel your pain.
This Xmas I find out my wife had been cheating on me with one of my so called friend.

I hiked down the Grand Canyon in November with this guy and 4 other guys. Halfway down, this guy couldn't go anymore. I stayed with him, motived him to keep going and hiked back up the next morning, while the other 4 guys continued all the way down. I should've push this guy down the canyon.

[Dragon]

My new goal for 2008 isn't how many women can I successfully seduce and get laid by. I really don't like one night stands very much. But I do enjoy getting women to fall madly in love with me. All I wanted a year ago was for one woman to love me for who I was then. But I couldn't find that. In order to get women to love me, I've had to spend countless hours, obsessively scouring the internet and reading books and literature on the subject. Working out at the gym 4 days per week. Watching what I eat. Spending money on clothes. A fresh haircut every 2 weeks. Tanning salons. It's a LOT of effort. There's no fucking way one woman could possibly be worth this much effort. Besides, relationships get boring real fast when they're exclusive...at least that's been my finding. So going forward, I intend to keep a minimum of 2 girlfriends around at all times. And search for upgrades. Yes, someone's going to get their heart broken...I just hope it isn't me.

Dude,

I am on the track of doing this stuff too. What I have learn so far is insane. I want to be a nice guy.... now I realize Nice guys do finish last and step on and spit on and cheated on and a pussy.

[Alphagame]

++++Game is about becoming a better man, by purposefully crushing them you aren't rising above. You're using all of these powerful tools to fulfill some need of revenge, how does that make you a better person?++++

Ok, let me put it like this: In our species, the male is the chaser. The female is the chooser. Most guys hedge on the first woman who comes along that will have them. They have AA so bad they can't even begin to think about hitting on a woman for fear of rejection. They get one-itis. They get dumped or married. Both suck.

Often times, I've come home from the bars empty handed, beating myself up, trying to figure out what the fuck I did wrong. If only I'd have done this at this point or done this at that point...I'd be getting laid right now. The bottom line is, the woman is the chooser. We're the chasers. There is no changing that. We approach them, not the other way around. We call them in phone game, not the other way around.

And getting a woman to fall madly in love with you is like trying to negotiate a friggin' mine field. One wrong step and you're dead. Make an approach and start asking typical interview questions (where do you work, where are you from, etc) = BLOWN OUT. Allow a lull in the conversation after you open a set (doesn't matter that she has no personality) you are BLOWN OUT. Phone game, voice mail and unreturned voice mails. Flakes. Showing jealousy too soon. Calling too much. Acting needy. Texting too much. All of these are mines in the mine field and there's usually not a second chance. In other words, we're rejected.

I have dealt with so much fucking rejection over my lifetime, YES, deep down inside I think I hate women for it. I mean, I love women. Don't get me wrong. But I hate women.

Look at things logically. I know as PUA's we're not supposed to think of things like this, but when you "game" a woman and she rejects you, she's rejecting YOU. You are selling a product and that product is you. The vast majority of the time, you aren't going to get your target in a set to eventually fall madly in love with you. Before that happens, you're probably going to make a mistake and eat a giant plate full of rejection. Let's just hope that your beyond the days of one-itis, but we all have to start somewhere. She might give you rejection within the first 30 seconds of your approach, or it may happen in phone game or it may happen on a D2. But the odds of getting her to fall madly in love with you are extremely low.

So yes, I want to break their hearts into a thousand tiny pieces to get even with woman-kind for all the feelings of rejection that I've felt in the past. I know that once I get to know them, I won't want to break their hearts. But if I'm going to continue sarging and looking for new women, which I intend to do, some hearts are going to get broken. Just the way it is. I guess it's my rationalization, as fucked up as it may sound...they deserve it for being women.

All's fair in love and war.

[Dragon]

...Game is about becoming a better man, by purposefully crushing them you aren't rising above. You're using all of these powerful tools to fulfill some need of revenge, how does that make you a better person? Fight the urge to toy with their emotions, you're better than that. We all are.

I agree.


Look I have no game. I am still learning. I have never sarged.



But Alphagame...
for you to say, to break alot of womankind hearts is like saying your heart was broken into pieces by them. Do you still Love your EX or some lady you met or someone you poured all your heart into?

All I know is that all these 30s something single ladies have issues and baggage, it is not you.. it is them, but you cannot change them or fix them.. all you can do is change and fix yourself. I have to get rid of my baggage and move on to be the best I can be.

My mother-in-law hated men. She didn't know it. Even after 6 years of divorce and a new husband, my parents read her as hating men and mistrustful of them. She admitted it too me recently that she did hate men ( i think she was going thru counseling). I think it was because she was hurt by her first relationship.

uhhh... I know nothing... I am just going to shut up and learn from you guys.