Bodybuilding and P/U Part 1

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Postby Twitchy » Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:28 pm

TheAwakened wrote:I'm becoming increasingly convinced that I'll never exceed 140 lbs. until my metabolism slows down.


Don't worry, you can fix this.

It takes dedication but I found a work out buddy, drank protein shakes and took creotine 3 times a day, really upped my calories and lifted weights for 2 hours a day, pretty much 7 days a week for 2 years.

Dedicate yourself. You can make it happen.
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Postby EL CHUPACABRA » Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:42 pm

JohnnyBravo wrote:Guys...be careful with the protein. Too much will f*ck up your kidneys. Trust me, you don't want to be on dialysis when you get old.


It also give you mad gas...

I workout at LA fitness in S. Arlington...I was at Golds Gym but just to many meat heads were there... Go to a place you can be comfortable then when you are lifting think about how much harder you are gonna drill your next lay! Tear it up men!
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Postby Kalop » Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:56 am

too much protein = kidney problems = old myth

There's no peer reviewed studies showing excess protein damages kidneys in HEALTHY adults with no other medical illnesses.

Of course anything can be taken to the extreme, even water overdose can cause sodium imbalance and kill you via your brain swelling

So 1g per or 1.5g per pound of bodyweight in active bodybuilding participants shouldn't be an issues for otherwise normally healthy adult
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Postby JohnnyBravo » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:24 am


There's no peer reviewed studies showing excess protein damages kidneys in HEALTHY adults with no other medical illnesses.


Did you look or did you just take somebody's else's word for it? I found several.

Links for Kalop:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?artid=1899702&pageindex=1#page

http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/040100puproteinoverload.htm

http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Doi=20640 This one is only an abstract.

http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/16/5/923

Dude, there's tons of articles out there (including peer reviewed articles like those above) that show the problems with protein overload. It's no myth. It will fuck up your kidneys.

Show me a peer reviewed article that shows otherwise. Maybe I missed something. If so, show me. It would be an interesting read.
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Postby RockStar » Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:21 am

I spent about 3 years as a gym rat. I worked out relentlessly and at my peak I was 225 @ 5% body fat. I learned a few lessons about working out.

I started doing the standard bodybuilding routines and made very little gains. you know how it is. I was in great shape I just couldn't seem to blow up. I did a cycle of 19 nor-4 androstadiene I swelled pretty good. but as soon as my cycle was done. I lost most of that mass! Then I had a revolution in thought about weight lifting.

1. you can't control your muscle shape. your genetics do that. i.e. doing varied chest exercises will not give your chest a shape different then what your genes do.

2. muscles are either on or off. your muscles don't care how far you moved the weight only that you moved it.

3. work out like a power lifter to increase size. aerobics to loose fat.

4. most people don't wait long enough to let their muscles heal. so every time you work out...no gains. your just re-injuring an already injured muscle.

so my routine became this.

Chest- cheat press on the smith machine. put on so much weight that you can only move it about 4-6 inches(see rule 2) about 4-6 times.

Squat- cheat squat. Put on so much weight that you can only cheat your squat four to six times.

Dead lifts- buy some lifting straps. pack that weight on and remember to lift with your legs.

roman chairs- 5-10 reps holding a weight to your chest. your abs will seriously blow up.

next work out add 5-7%

thats it just my core muscles. I would workout 1 to 2 times a week depending on how much I recovered(if I couldn't lift 5-7% more I wasn't recovered enough).

it makes sense if you think about the size of the average power lifter compared to the size of the average bodybuilder. Power lifters are all fucking huge.

OK now some people will say but if you don't work out the full range of muscles you won't get gains in strength (aka nautilus, research it. it's were that myth comes from). I call bullshit on that. I say nautilus just wants to sell their crappy equipment. besides I don't care about strength. I want size!

lastly I never did protein, creatine or list of other supplements. I only took one...aspirin it's cheap and really increases your VO2 max by thinning your blood and buffering the acid in your muscles. why isn't aspirin listed as a supplement in magazines? start looking at your supplements and you'll discover that a lot of them DO have aspirin in them. I just can't sell you a bottle of aspirin at $49.99.

as for muscles being like boobs. I don't think I got laid anymore, I sure got a lot more attraction at the time, but I had a low conversion rate. In the end I think that solid game generates as much attraction as muscles.
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Postby Kalop » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:09 pm

JohnnyBravo wrote:

Links for Kalop:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pagerender.fcgi?artid=1899702&pageindex=1#page

http://www.nealhendrickson.com/mcdougall/040100puproteinoverload.htm

http://content.karger.com/ProdukteDB/produkte.asp?Doi=20640 This one is only an abstract.

http://ndt.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/16/5/923

Dude, there's tons of articles out there (including peer reviewed articles like those above) that show the problems with protein overload. It's no myth. It will fuck up your kidneys.

Show me a peer reviewed article that shows otherwise. Maybe I missed something. If so, show me. It would be an interesting read.


1st link - Bro, that's like in RATS. All kinds of shit happen to those furry creatures that may/may not happen to humans. If you saw what diet cokes to to rats, the shit would be illegal to sale !!
2nd link- not peer review.. even their reference 10-13, #10 is for diabetics, #11 is for renal transplants, #12-13 same, chronic renal patients already.
3rd link - abstract seems to point to people already having chronic renal failures need not to have excess protein because causes problems..
4th link - again, mice

Like I stated, show me just ONE double blind peer-reviewed HUMAN study amongst HEALTHY human adults who has NO pre-existing health problems and put them on excess protein diet (also define excess) that shows kidney malfunction or disease? There's not one such study. I've looked. I've already had this debate. I'll quickly stand corrected if you find the above study.
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Postby Legacy » Mon Jan 07, 2008 6:04 am

another great workout that I actually use goes like this. (its the Oklahoma Sooner's Football workout. my friend used to play for them and he got me this.)

its split into 5 days of workout. and based on a 1 month schedule.

Day 1: Chest and Abs/obliques.
Day 2: Shoulders/Delts and Triceps
Day 3: Back and Biceps
Day 4: Lower body legs.
Day 5: rest
Repeat

Here is the month part.
Week 1: Heavy weight low reps. i.e. 2 sets 10 reps each
Week 2: Low weight high reps i.e. 4 sets 12-15 reps each.
Week 3: repeat week 2.
Week 4: repeat week 1.

This workout is more for toning aka abercrombie model rather than body builder look.

This allows for building of the muscle at the start of the month, then toning the muscle during the middle 2 weeks, then tearing it down and rebuilding the muscle again at the end of the month. always remember you should always do atleast 1 personal training session if you have never lifted weights before. and dont expect to spend a solid month in the gym and be the next Mr. Olympia. These kinds of things take time, most body builders have been doing this for years upon years. Nutrition is a HUGE part of buking up and toning out, so make sure you eat healthy... EVERY DAY and dont slack with your food. KFC and Taco bell are not healthy.. if you must have fast food, Chick-fil-a is actually one of the healthiest fast food places to eat. but thats only a last resort. and eat ALOT of fruit. and red meat protein is the best for recovery. also look into Sushi and Asian food. How many fat asians do you see? none because they all eat healthy foods.

If you have any other question, working out and being healthy is pretty much my life right now. i've spent many hours at the gym and with a nutritionist so just PM me.

Also if you are in the Plano area check out L.A. Fitness at Coit and George Bush. they have great rates and memberships start as low as $29.99 a month! ask for Colby too. he's my boy that works there.
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Postby Smirks » Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:30 pm

Brad Pitt in Fight Club:

Here are the exercises that made up his Fight Club workout.

3 sets of each exercise, taking approximately 60 seconds of rest between each set. Pitt used a weight challenging enough that he could successfully complete 15 reps, no less (with the exception of pushups and pullups), but be fatigued on the last rep. Proper form was maintained throughout.

Monday - Chest

· 25 pushups

· Nautilus chest press

· Nautilus incline press

· Pec deck machine (chest fly)

Tuesday - Back

· 5 pullups

· Seated rows

· Lat pulldowns

· T-bar rows

Wednesday - Shoulders

· Arnold dumbbell press (like a military press, but start the action with palms facing in and end the action with palms facing out)

· Lateral raises

· Front raises

Thursday - Biceps/Triceps

· Nautilus curl machine

· EZ cable curls

· Hammer curls

· Tricep pushdowns

Friday - Cardio

Walking or (preferably) running on the treadmill for 45 minutes at 65% to 75% of your maximum heart rate

Saturday/Sunday – Rest

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Postby TheScientist » Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:53 pm

I'm not the one to tell a lot of detail about how to do this, but I have done it and I'll tell you it's worth it.

In June, at 5'9" / 145 lbs I decided to gain 30 lbs. I did the usual things: eat 6 times a day and get about a gram of protein per pound of weight, workout every muscle group once per week, and do some cardio to control the body fat while building stamina for the weights. It took just a little over 90 days and I increased body fat % slightly. I've kept the weight and dropped a little of the fat (despite amounts of alcohol that interfere with that goal).

This improved my life in so many ways - getting laid, making money, and making friends.

I would tell everyone you know if you have a bold goal like 30 lbs in 90 days. You'll learn a lot about your social circle from their feedback. Some will admire you, some will be inspired by you, and some will despise you. If you're adding 2 lbs a week in the gym then they'll all eventually recognize the physical proof that you're a man who can make things happen. The really cool thing is when you reach your goal and recognize that about yourself in an unquestionable way.
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Postby Slick85 » Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:42 am

the workout like a power lifter thing is money... how many guys do you know that can bench 300+ and deadlift 500+ that are small? not many... get strong as hell, eat like a horse, DO NOT eat carbs after 7 PM, seperate carb and fat meals ex. only have protein and fats or protein and carbs, no olive oil with rice or anything, do low intensity cardio on the off days, eat 1.5g of protein per lb of body weight... and if you gonna do other stuff, just make sure you know what your doing
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