Women and phone game

[Alphagame]

Ok guys, you meet a girl in a bar and kiss her. You make sure you draw the line at kissing and don't cross the line into making out, which is foreplay. Supposedly, according to the Mystery Method, if you cross the line and get into foreplay, she'll get a form of buyer's remorse and your dead in phone game.

So what's the BEST way to keep yourself alive for phone game? I've tried several things. Text or call same night. Text or call a day later. Wait three days to call. I've tried everything and it seems there is no good system.

Folowing MM advice, when I call the first time, (I'm always screened to VM), I leave a message saying "Hey, it's XXXXX. Just calling to say hi. I'll talk to you later. Bye."

Of course they never return the call.

The next day, I'll call and again, and of course, screened to VM. This time, the message is altered subtly, but the instructions are for her to call me. "Hey, it's XXXX. Just wanted to say hi. Give me a call. Talk to you later. Bye."

Of course, they never return the call on this one either.

Obviously, the woman was attracted enough to kiss me in the bar in front of all her friends the day of the meet. In fact, it's as if they're showing off when their friends enter the isolation area...her friends approach and she moves in for another kiss. So why do they seem to always screen to voice mail every time?

I know it's not me. I've had women go on and on and on about how dreamy I am and how sexy I am. I get these comments all the time. I've even had one woman tell me I'm hotter than Tom Cruise. Not only that, but what they don't realize is, I make over a quarter mil a year. I'm basically everything a woman could dream of. I'm the catch. And I know this. I don't struggle for conversation either. I can carry conversation with just about anyone.

Even still, even with all that in my corner, once I get into phone game, I'm as good as dead with the 20-something women. With the 35 & up women, they tend to chase me more. But with women all over the place drooling over me, I see no reason why I shouldn't have a 20-something girlfriend or two. But I just can't seem to get it to happen.

Just wondering what other PUA's have figured out as far how long to wait to make the first phone call? A day? Three days? A week? Do you want to sound a little afraid, like, show a sign of weakness on the voice mail message? Or do you want to sound like you have shit going on all the time and you'd like to invite her along? MM teaches to sound upbeat with zero in terms of weakness. I'm not sure...it seems to be bring out their LSE and they find it easier to not take the calls. Looking back at my AFC days, it seems like I was having better luck sounding afraid and intimidated on messages. Like, PLEASE return my call, I have no other options.

All advice much appreciated.

[Craig]

Just thinking out loud...

Why not something that stays away from the "Normal Guy"
message that your leaving and go with something that communicates
and even sub-communicates that your a High Value Guy.

Maybe...

"Hey...it's (your name)...you can call me back."

Notice your NOT exchanging pleasantries, your too busy to ramble
and your allowing her / commanding her to call you back.

Or

"Hey...it's (your name) I'm about to meet up with some of my friends
for a dinner party...but I wanted to say hi and see what kinda trouble
your up to."

This is good because you are showing how your a happening guy who has his own things going and your not calling just to get a date with her.

Just some thoughts

[Alphagame]

Well, I don't know. I think it really boils down to whether or not they have options. If they've got a lot of options, you're that much more likely to be screened to voice mail. If they have no options, it's more likely that they'll answer.

I really think that's about all it boils down to, honestly. We can't control that. Realize there are things within your control and things that are not. Trying to control the uncontrollables in life will drive you nuts.

One thing that's made this a LOT easier is experience. I was in a 15 year dating/marriage that ended a year ago. Of course, being newly divorced, I had zero game. The first few times I went through this rejection in phone game, it really tore me up. Now, if I number close, which I seldom do anymore because I hate phone game so bad, but if I do number close, I honestly have no expectations at all. Having the right expectations going into it makes all the difference in the world.

I guess what I'm trying to figure out by posting this thread, is it better to wait 3 days before calling, 1 day, a week??? What seems to work the very best with women. I KNOW they're jumping to the phone every time it rings looking for that validation. It seems to me that the longer you make the stew and wait by the phone, the more likely they would be to answer the phone. The more they would relish your call. Not sure though. The more I think about it, the more I think it probably doesn't matter how long you wait to make the first call.

[El Fenix]

A couple things stand out to me as I read it. Now, by no means am I a master at this, so caveat emptor I've struggled with this too, so I'm right there with you.

The first thing that comes to mind is:are you seeding a day 2? Is there come cool activity you guys can go on thats been previously mentioned, that would pre-empt the call in the first place?

One thing I have found that helps is a text(funny, or smart arse if possible) soon after you meet, possibly even that night, or the next day.
Or an "omg, you weont believe what just happened!" I've had good response with that before to girls who didnt respond to much else previously.

[Finesse]

Building on what Fenix said you could also go as far as to set up a date after you have seeded to even warrant the number.

From reading your first post it came across as braggart and try hard man. Possible you aren't building attraction right? I don't know I wasn't there.
A rich man doesn't need to tell you he's rich, and a good looking guy doesn't need to tell you he's good looking. In game looks and money aren't on the top of the list.

I would write detailed notes down and post them.

[Twitchy]

I agree that the first post sounded try hard. It is OK to mention your job when asked but don't focus on it or talk about anything materialistic. I too make more than the average American but never mention it, try to down play my job and never bring up what kind of car I drive. Let them discover all of this stuff on their own vs. telling them.

In situations like this, I always apply the "Brad Pitt" rule. If I was Brad Pitt, would she XXXX. In this case, would she call me back.

If you are not getting return phone calls, you are not generating enough long term attraction for them to want to get to know you more. The problem isn't with your phone game, it is with what happened before.

That being said, I like to text or call the same night I got the phone number in most cases. In fact, what I normally do is get their number, immediately put it into my phone and then call their phone with them standing right there.

I then gesture for them to answer and start a flirty conversation..."OMG, you are not going to believe it. I just met the BIGGEST dork!"

This does three things:
1) they have already spoken to me on the phone which probably increases the probability that they will again
2) its flirty and different from what most guys do
3) I make sure it is a real number. So far I haven't had it be a fake one but have come up with some witty things to say in the event I call the numbber and their phone doesn't ring

[Tribulus1000]

Yeah Twitch is spot on.
I use that and I also use "Do you think I should kiss her?" which I stole from Lance Mason.

Does anyone use the standard "I saw something really cool today...call me back." ?

I've made them promise to pick up the phone and I kinda roleplay/rehearse that.

"So when I call, are you gonna be like *Hi*!!! or are you gonna be like 'who is this?'"
And make them promise to be excited.

I hate the phone. Most guys do.