The origin of shit tests

[Welsh_Dragon]

First off its good to have this more private forum. I have not posted as much as I might have since the main area is wide open. Hopefully we can share some good ideas now that this is more private.


I have been thinking about shit tests recently and trying to get to the bottom of their origin and meaning. I believe this also plays into why breaking rapport is necessary. I am getting to the point now where I can break this all down and micro calibrate really well in set all the time. Really not giving a shit means I can just observe and learn. The SOS happens time and again. I always get shit tested on the same thing.

Women are very often times insecure. I have come to this realization through a ton of field work. Some are less so than others (not the ones you would think necessarily) but I believe it is a pretty accurate statement across the board (which you can use by the way). They generally do not believe in themselves. They are often also untrusting of others particularly men in a bar environment (rightly so). When a superstar comes along (i.e. me) they are wondering what is the catch?

I have noticed that the same shit tests come along again and again in differeing forms. The underlying thread is that you are being tested for congruence in your whole package. You are assumed guilty untill proven innocent.

e.g.1

HB_Randon: So where are you from in England?
Me: Blah whatever bullshit
HB_Random: I bet you're just putting that accent on.


When a woman finds value in something she tests it. She trusts in her own ability to judge the result of that test (a hole in her logic). She looks for you to be firm, decisive and congrunet (80% BL BTW). As such my response is always clear and concise. I tell her in no uncertain terms the truth (give her the proof she wants) and then call her back on her own shit test.

e.g. 1

HB_Randon: So where are you from in England?
Me: Blah whatever bullshit
HB_Random: I bet you're just putting that accent on.

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[Direct EC. Kino and BL very congruent]
Me: I'm from Southampton. 60 miles South of London on the South Coast down the M3. Born in Portsmouth ironically. St.Mary's. Nothing about me that's put on love. Are all girls in your country so bloody untrusting?
[Break rapport]


e.g. 2

HB_Random: You must be married.
Me: Do you see a ring? [Hand contact then EC and Kino]
HB_Random: Often a married guy will take it off though.
Me: Really? You get that a lot do you? [Sad face] Thats shitty. Why would you think that about me? I'm sad.
HB_Random: So are you?
Me: What, sad?
HB_Random: No married?
Me: Obviously not.
[Break Rapport]


I guess what I am saying is that a real shit test often deserves a real neg (of sorts - you know my opinion on that word) and provides opportunity for a rapport break (the most congruent thing BL wise you can do). I don't blame girls for these tactics as I suppose they have to screen out psychos, stalkers, perverts, married, un-genuine, etc.. and the best way is to look for absolute congruence and genuine honesty (again 80% BL). Do not have anything to hide. Do not look like you have anything to hide. Respond in the way they are programmed to look for. And use her cue to break rapport in a very clean way (after all she deserves it).

She will come back. She will chase. She will be compliant. Lead her where she wants to go.

[Tribulus1000]

Shit tests don't exist.

I know its hard to believe, mate. But its true.

"Are you from England?"
"Yes."
"You're lying."
"You're just talking to me because you love my accent." (reframe)
"No I'm not."
"Yes you are. Tell me about yourself". (get a commitment from her)

Explaining is the same as qualifying. Don't explain that your'e from Portsmouth or Cheshire or Plymouth or anything...save it for later. That's a rapport building story.

Don't invest anything initially. Get her to invest. Don't jump in the hoops. Grab the hoop and throw one up for her.

Or reframe.

"I just got off the plane. Do you know anywhere a fine looking Englishman like myself can find a honest, intelligent, good looking American girl who is up for some fun?"

Shit tests do not exist.

There is only go or no go. Compliance or non-compliance.

Also if she's testing you, she is focussed and talking to you.

The focus should be on compliance. As in:
How do I get this girl through each step? How do I sit down with her, how do I bounce with her, how do I get her to come home with me?

[Tribulus1000]

e.g. 2

HB_Random: You must be married.
Me: Do you see a ring? [Hand contact then EC and Kino]
HB_Random: Often a married guy will take it off though.
Me: Really? You get that a lot do you? [Sad face] Thats shitty. Why would you think that about me? I'm sad.
HB_Random: So are you?
Me: What, sad?
HB_Random: No married?
Me: Obviously not.
[Break Rapport]

Try these:

1. HB_Random: "You must be married."
You: "Well I've had many opportunities but I just never really found the right girl...until you came along!!! Oh my god, I'm gonna call my mummy in England and tell her I met my future wife tonight!!!"

Notice....
- social proof/preselection "I had opportunities"
- reframe back to her as she really is just hitting on you.

2. HB_Random: "You must be married."
You: "Hey how long has it been since we first met...in that bar on the north side of Dallas...you know the one [bar where you are] and you asked me ...'are you married?' ...its been so long and you've been such a good wife."

Future/Past time projection reframe.

3. HB_Random: "You must be married."
You: "I'm single but don't get your hopes up. What kind of men do you like?"

Disqualified. Asked open ended question/hoop.

4. HB_Random: "You must be married."
You: "I'm actually a player but thanks for the compliment. What kind of guys do you date usually?"

Calling out the elephant in the room reframe. Hoop.

5. HB_Random: "You must be married."
You: "Where's this all going? Is that your weird fantasy or something?"

The "where's this going?" thing is true. You don't want to go back and forth forever. So you reframe it as "where is this all going?".

[Vector]

Shit tests don't exist.

Are you saying women don't do things test your frame? Do they never test anyone's frame? Or are you calling it something else?

[Tribulus1000]

Shit tests don't exist.

Are you saying women don't do things test your frame? Do they never test anyone's frame? Or are you calling it something else?

Maybe its me... but I expect issues. I mean, ITS A BAR!

There are a myriad of different issues one can experience.I just think the whole Shit Test idea is way overblown.

First of all, what is a Shit Test?

Girls fucking with you? They do that whenever you're in a glib environment like a bar.
Daytime is different. Not too many shit tests.

Are they interested when they do that?
I think they are.

What you are calling a shit test is what I call a chance to reframe.
Is every encounter positive? No.

I just think its either something you reframe, something you walk away from or something you deal with.

True Story....
One night at Logan's (the bar next to Sherlocks Addison), I had a girl come up and bite me on the chest. Literally bite me. Ouch!
I almost smacked the bitch. I told her to "Fuck Off!"

How's that for being shit tested?

Maybe being Shit Tested deserves the PUA badge of Honor? Like we should hand out Shit Test Awards?

I dunno man. I just don't believe in them.

[Vector]

This might be just a question of terminology. I take "shit test" to mean specifically, a woman saying or doing something to test the strength of your frame. It can be in the form of a girl giving you shit, but it doesn't have to be. I once had a girl say to me, "let's have a threesome in the bathroom!" just to see what I would do. (I passed her test.) Conversely, a girl being negative or doing something "bad" is not always a shit test. If you've pissed her off and she says to fuck off, I wouldn't call that a shit test because she's not testing your frame. She actually wants you to go away.

Women are a lot more likely to test your frame if you're not being completely congruent. Or, in the case of WD's accent, if there are a lot of posers and they're wondering if you're one too. If you get frame tests a lot, then you're probably coming off as incongruent.

So that's what I mean by "shit test". I would agree that a shit test is a chance to reinforce your frame.

And I agree, if it's just "issues" or "girls fucking with you" then that is just part of the environment. It's natural and not really an indication of anything other than the fact that you're in a bar.

[Westfall]

I find shit tests to be quite annoying. Have you guys encountered girls that don't shit test? I've encountered a few, and I find their personalities quite pleasing. It seems to be more common in situations where the girl seems to have either already made up her mind that Im attractive.

Westfall

[Bull Run]

I find shit tests to be quite annoying. Have you guys encountered girls that don't shit test? I've encountered a few, and I find their personalities quite pleasing. It seems to be more common in situations where the girl seems to have either already made up her mind that Im attractive.

Westfall

I've never encountered a girl that didn't shit test at some point. Whether it's early in the interaction or the next morning in bed or even a day 2/3/4 (if she makes it that long), at some point you will get a shit test.

I'm curious, what kinds of shit tests have you guys gotten? These are the most common ones I've gotten:

Are you gay?
Are you a player? (I get this one the most)
Why are you so cocky?

[Tribulus1000]

This might be just a question of terminology. I take "shit test" to mean specifically, a woman saying or doing something to test the strength of your frame. It can be in the form of a girl giving you shit, but it doesn't have to be. I once had a girl say to me, "let's have a threesome in the bathroom!" just to see what I would do. (I passed her test.) Conversely, a girl being negative or doing something "bad" is not always a shit test. If you've pissed her off and she says to fuck off, I wouldn't call that a shit test because she's not testing your frame. She actually wants you to go away.

Women are a lot more likely to test your frame if you're not being completely congruent. Or, in the case of WD's accent, if there are a lot of posers and they're wondering if you're one too. If you get frame tests a lot, then you're probably coming off as incongruent.

So that's what I mean by "shit test". I would agree that a shit test is a chance to reinforce your frame.

And I agree, if it's just "issues" or "girls fucking with you" then that is just part of the environment. It's natural and not really an indication of anything other than the fact that you're in a bar.

Ok then I guess they do exist. I'm not dwelling on them. Almost every tactic or technique we have is designed to get compliance. The goal is to have them jumping through your hoops.
I guess I figure it goes with the territory. Like we said, bars.

Here's a thought. Accept them as being "cute" or accept them as part of the game.

What if....what if they didn't affect you and you could reframe them without being emotionally affected?

Just imagine going through the approaches and interactions and not giving a damn.

[Tribulus1000]

I find shit tests to be quite annoying. Have you guys encountered girls that don't shit test? I've encountered a few, and I find their personalities quite pleasing. It seems to be more common in situations where the girl seems to have either already made up her mind that Im attractive.

Westfall

when they like you and you like them, the shit tests seem cute. Kinda like baby poo.