Uptown

[Bull Run]

Disclaimer: I'm not bitter, so don't read this post with that frame in mind.

Uptown continues to plague me. For some odd reason I can't seem to 'figure' this part of the city out. Really, this holds true for any place in the city...save for a venue or two that I have great success in (i.e. Corner Bar). I haven't really tried Greenville or Deep Ellum so I can't speak for those parts of the city. I'm money in Addison, no doubt, as most of my KCs, NCs, and SNLs are derived from there. Uptown is a completely different story though...

A co-worker and I were talking (actually ran into him last night) about Uptown and the nature of the social scene there. He had a very insightful comment: "everyone in Uptown knows each other, it's very cliquey. If you don't know any one, you are no one." Last night when I was surveying the crowds at the various venues we hit (Idle Rich, Tribecca, Quarter, Republic) I noticed the clique dynamic hard at work. Everyone did know everyone and they were there to be with those that they know. For the most part they had zero interest in getting to know a handsome, charming PUA such as myself or my wings (although I do think they had some success). The cliqueish attitude of Uptown also results in a ton of mixed sets which makes my work infinitely more difficult (I got AMOG'd at least 4 times last time, at least). My co-worker on the other hand cleans up here because he knows everyone, and the thing that sucks about it is that he's the biggest fucking AFC ever. A cool AFC, but an AFC nonetheless. The fucker even calls me for advice regarding women. Uptown women that I can't manage to close (OK, I'm a little bitter about that).

Another thing that I discovered last night was that negs don't seem to work as well here as they do in Addison. Girls just don't respond the same way. Sure, Uptown girls think their shit don't stink but they also won't take a dude teasing them very well either. It's odd because you would figure the opposite. You would think that Uptown girls should require more negs because they view themselves so highly. But, last night every neg I threw down (normal, harmless stuff too) completely destroyed the interaction. I even had one girl that I was in on (in as in tons of IOIs) actually say "I'm done" and then turn and walk away. A 15 minute conversation crushed in 5 seconds. I'd never seen it happen so fast. I'm beginning to think that you actually have to be nice to these chicks in order to make any progress...almost AFC like. It makes sense considering that these girls deal with guys that are very much like themselves. Guys that think their shit don't stink, and the women are probably tired of the cocky guy hitting on them.

Anyway, what have you guys found? Is Uptown harder? How much do you have to calibrate your game in order to make progress? Are negs still acceptable (I imagine so, but only once she's negged/teased you)? General thoughts?

[Finesse]

When you think up town, think 30K millionaires and gold diggers.

Its mostly fake. Unless you are actually loaded, try faking it. Their already in uptown they are looking to trade up.

[Cheshire]

From my experience with SMU girls you have to calibrate your negs. Back handed compliments seem to work better than the teasing type of negs. Try watching the AMOGs they're already calibrated to the uptown circle you might be able to snag some tactics from them.

[Tribulus1000]

Yeah there is a group that goes out certain nights of the week. If one were serious about Dallas, one would try to do more "club game" and get to know everyone in that community.
A big task, perhaps.

The other thing that I've noticed is that venues and environments change the group dynamics.

So venue selection becomes important.

Ideally, you want a place where its relaxed, there's not hordes of guys and the women are relaxed and enjoying themselves.

My observation:
If you get eye contract when you enter the room, its going to be a good night.

I never really liked Uptown for many of the reasons you state.

You have to be a part of their crowd whereas Addison always seemed more of a cool bar atmosphere.

[Mojo]

I never thought in terms of cliquish, but it is. If you are not part of the in crowd, you are no one. I know this for in my 20’s I was part of that night club in crowd. It was a constant non-stop party. There was an in place for every night of the week. And the SAME beautiful people would show. When word got out, and “uncool” people started appearing, the in crowd just naturally found another trendy place to call their own; quite an interesting phenomenon when looking back. Not only was there the cool club of the month, but the insane party’s afterwards where everyone looked like a model! Remember that episode of Seinfeld where George stumbled into the mysterious in crowd of beautiful people? No exaggeration. It’s out there. Though to be accepted in this crowd you either have to have, or pretend to have $$$. I remember opening what I had thought was my credit card bill to find a 17k balance! Freaked me out… though in a second I realized I had accidentally opened my roommate bills (we had same type of credit card). He was totally in that crowd. We knew everyone. Bouncer, DJ’s, hot girls…. We waited in no lines, paid no cover, etc. Though living that life style is expensive and looking back, I see it as a bunch of young, good people, that had not learned how to really live yet (sounds contradicting though that is how I see that life). Despite all the hot girls, partying, etc. it does get old.

Having been the part of that shifty 50, or shady 80, or whatever name that crowd goes by, I can lend a few good insights. For example, though you may fake having $$$, you can’t fake being the beautiful, cool attitude it takes. I had my roommate that did all the work. He knew everyone. On the phone constantly keeping in touch with all these cool cats. Result of knowing everyone - he got laid like a rockstar. Most every night he would go out the guy would pull a 9 or a 10 (No exaggeration). The 9 or 10 would be THE hottest girl in the club. Sometimes he brought home 2 totally hot chicks. I’ve seen what is possible, and what this guy did would blow most mPUA’s reality away! Anyway, he did most of the work so all I had to do was tag along. The guy was ultra metro, and ultra cool. Well kept, first car Lexus, next car BMW… One night Mark Cuban hung out with him. I was not able to make it out that night though I had met the guy in passing on other occasions. We had several mutual friends. Flying out to LA for a birthday of mine, we hooked up with one of this Dallas in crowd that moved to Cali and hooked up with the LA in crowd. He was dating an ex-centerfold and minor actress (I remember renting out Rush Hour 2 just to see if she was telling the truth – she was). It seems if you are naturally prone to this crowd you will make it in… Dallas, LA, wherever. So, you can fake having the $$$, just not the attitude.

Since this crowd goes out sooo often, they know all the bouncers. To solidify their relationship with the gatekeepers, hang out with them for a bit, buy them a drink, get friends with them. It might work to get friends with the bouncers and see the group they hand with, as this will probably be the in crowd, though for me and my friends, knowing the in crowd, it was natural to befriend the bouncer. Bouncers are important for they can make you look like a rockstar, letting you in wit no line or payment. At the time I did not realize the social value this had for me – I just took it for granted. I EXPECTED to be let in. Waiting in line was not an option. This was pre-community days. If I had that again, I would leverage it insanely!

Hanging out in the DJ booth with the DJ was common and nothing I thought extraordinarily. Though the social proof this brings is unthinkable. I remember SHBs going in and out making them selves known. Oh how I wish I had taken advantage of this! Again, I didn’t intentionally make friends with the DJ, it just happened since we knew all the same people.

VIP rooms naturally came open to us. Dallas it was expected. And so we had that mindset, thus, strangely, whether it was London, South Beach, LA, etc… we were complete strangers yet made it into the VIP. It is all a mindset. And attitude. They can sniff out their own kind. So, you must have the attitude to get in this crowd.

In addition to acting the part, you got to look the part. You have to have the name brands… Prada, Versace, etc. Girls can sniff out the expensive colognes! They notice! No fucking Polo! Plan to spend a few hundred on one outfit. That is why my old roommate had a 17k credit card bill.

Overall, it is an interesting experience. I am glad to have been part of it. Though be prepared to drop mucho $$$. And, again, you must have the right mindset. If you think you deserve it, you will get it. Perception is reality.

[Scoundrel]

I rented a DVD last week that parodies that lifestyle. It does offer some good advice, but in a funny way.

http://www.guidetogettingdown.com/

[Midnight]

if you do 10-20 approaches per week and you have good vibe, the crowd around you will not matter. your game will be honed in at any club or bar. i'm one of the clickish people in uptown that knows everybody, but when i moved to dallas i went out solo all the time. but i went out and did 4-6 opens several times per week and talked up staff, door guys, etc, now i do know everybody and have social proof.

also, if you walk in a place with expectations of people being stuck up the self-fullfilling prophecy takes place. you will find anywhere you go there will be shitty people and cool people. so focus on making connections with those similar people

as far as negging -- i would instead focus on disqualifying myself in uptown. the women get guys trying to IMPRESS all the time. DON'T IMPRESS. do the opposite. some girl i opened once looked at her friend during out discussion and pointed some guy out walking by -- "hey, look at that guy and his cheap ass shoes, what a joker." i responded, "really, i have a pair just like it. plus i still wear jean shorts." she laughed and instantly grabbed my arm. later she told me it was a breath of fresh air that a guy was not trying to impress her. my friend with me told me he could see her eyes open up when i said this -- that he saw the creation of attraction.

so when all others believe money or flash is the key in uptown, that is what hot women get barraged with. be different. show your WILL is so strong you can be that other guy but that stuff is not important to you. you can stand the social pressure of not living up to her standards. yours are bigger and stronger.

ultimately, a woman wants a man that is a strong leader and can protect her. you showing her you live by your standards and not hers shows her you are the type of man that is a leader and lives by his rules. trust me, that will be more attractive than talking about your BMW like the other 10,000 guys in uptown with one. think about it.

[Finesse]

if you do 10-20 approaches per week and you have good vibe, the crowd around you will not matter. your game will be honed in at any club or bar. i'm one of the clickish people in uptown that knows everybody, but when i moved to dallas i went out solo all the time. but i went out and did 4-6 opens several times per week and talked up staff, door guys, etc, now i do know everybody and have social proof.

also, if you walk in a place with expectations of people being stuck up the self-fullfilling prophecy takes place. you will find anywhere you go there will be shitty people and cool people. so focus on making connections with those similar people

as far as negging -- i would instead focus on disqualifying myself in uptown. the women get guys trying to IMPRESS all the time. DON'T IMPRESS. do the opposite. some girl i opened once looked at her friend during out discussion and pointed some guy out walking by -- "hey, look at that guy and his cheap ass shoes, what a joker." i responded, "really, i have a pair just like it. plus i still wear jean shorts." she laughed and instantly grabbed my arm. later she told me it was a breath of fresh air that a guy was not trying to impress her. my friend with me told me he could see her eyes open up when i said this -- that he saw the creation of attraction.

so when all others believe money or flash is the key in uptown, that is what hot women get barraged with. be different. show your WILL is so strong you can be that other guy but that stuff is not important to you. you can stand the social pressure of not living up to her standards. yours are bigger and stronger.

ultimately, a woman wants a man that is a strong leader and can protect her. you showing her you live by your standards and not hers shows her you are the type of man that is a leader and lives by his rules. trust me, that will be more attractive than talking about your BMW like the other 10,000 guys in uptown with one. think about it.

Very. Well. Said. Topic closed.