ross jeffries

[greenboy]

how come iv hardly ever heard anyone mention Ross Jeffries on this forum?the reason im asking is iv often heard him really putting down other PUAs and his style seems quite differnent from other people!

[realdice]

His book has a lot of lines that just seem too complimentary, and I'm a bigger fan of the cocky funny from DeAngelo.

http://www.lostinspace.de/getagirl/chap01.htm

[John Apollo]

Not too fond of ross jeffries

[Mojo]

Speed seduction is a useful tool when used moderately. When used too often it will creep the girl out. Her subconscious picks up on too many manipulative subconscious signals being sent. And being manipulative is not nice. Her subconcious is protecting her by sending out the "This guy creeps me out" feeling. (Tip: If you sense the girl is getting the "creep out" feeling, eject. It's over. period.)

While talking to a big name PUA (who I’ll keep anonymous) regarding Ross, he admitted Ross crept him out when they met. Read a review by a guy that attended the recently PUA Summit and his opinion of the SS style by Vince: http://dallaspua.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1272

So the age-old cliché is true… Everything in moderation.

Being genuine and real is always the best policy.

[Kraven]

Ross can be pretty geeky but TD, Mys and many other PUAs are also at their core. Ross is pretty dated at this point also, so most guys young enough to be impressed by PUAs like Mystery can't really relate to what he is presenting

SS works. I've seen it work way back near the beginning of the ASF newsgroup when a couple coworkers of mine used it to bag most of the HBs in the customer service department at our job (20-30 total) over the course of 4-6 months. One of the guys drove an old ass rusting car, was fat and lived in a trailer. It was total mindfuck seeing chicks demanding that he take them to lunch

There are many techniques and products that have been added and refined since that time as well. I've checked a few of the newer products (Rikers SS Manual, October Man, some of Ross and Vince Ks newer videos). Altogether they're a pretty good framework for pure seduction without relying on things like looks or social proof, and cover some inner game topics also

More recent proof that SS is effective was Sinns endorsement of IN10SE's October Man revelation as powerful stuff (hypnotic symbol fractionation) that he used as a beginner PUA but that he decided was too powerful to play with unnecessarily

BTW SS lines are complimentary because you're getting your target to open up to f**k with their mind

Most of the guys I've met since I got back into the community just go ahead and do pure NLP practicioner or hypnosis training if they like and find they want to practice a style closer to SS