Wingmanship

[Tribulus1000]

After a discussion today with someone on the phone (you know who you are), I felt inspired to express some of the ideas that go into wingmanship.

Feel free to comment if you want to include anything.

When I think about the best wingmen around, I have a short list. I've been out with alot of guys over the last year or two, and I have a short list of people I can work with. However, the more I thought about it, the more it was apparent that it is essentially a skillset.

Here's a list of things to consider when being a good wingman:

1. A true wingman is unselfish. You want whoever you're out with to get laid.
Although your needs can also be served, a good wingman also wants his friends to get laid.

You come first. But if its your buddy's set, then your obligation is to help.

A wingman's value lies in his ability to provide social proof for his wing and protection and/or support if necessary.

You don't want wings who provide you with negative social proof, either.

2. Communication between wings must take place. You should both understand what the plan is.
If the idea is for you to open a two set and then take the obstacle, then that's the plan.
If the plan is for you to stay back and offer feedback, then that is the plan.

3. Non-interference. Whenever I go out, I want to learn as much as I can. And its for this reason that I don't like guys coming into my sets uninvited.
Similarly, if you aren't invited, you should not take over the set.

The rule is "He who opens the set, owns the set." Or "He who opens the set Leads the set."
Mystery himself suggested the second one. So that implies that if you are incapable of leading it by yourself and you need help, the other guy can then jump in.

4. The best wingman look out for the obstacles.
The obstacles can sometimes be an AMOG or a takeaway girl. But it can also be things like logistics or #closes.
So a really good wingman will suggest things in set at appropriate times.
I've heard of one top knotch PUA who helped a student one time by suggesting a cab ride for everyone back to his/her place.
I thought that was very sneaky but also classy.

5. Nonjudgemental. Your wing wants to take home a fatty. Should you stop him?
My answer is no.
He may not be planning that. It may be a ploy or it may be that he actually likes the girl. She may have a great personality.

6. Shop talk. Everyone I know does it and I do it too. Talking about game in the middle of the venue at a good time to talk to girls is bad. If you want to be a good wing, get your buddy in set and talking to actual females.

If all you do is talk shop, then maybe you ought to talk to actual girls. If you can't approach at all, then do whatever you can to help other guys out. One way might be holding a table or isolation location open.

7. Wingman Code examples:

The following are a few examples of how to speak in code:

a. Michelle

PUA1 "Have you seen Michelle?"
PUA2 (invites 1 in) : "No but meet my new friends...this is Cammie and this is Janette."

or

PUA2 (not inviting) "No. I think she's over there. "(pointing away).
PUA1 leaves the set.

b. Target
PUA1 "Is there a Target around here?"
PUA2 "yeah I think its that way."(points toward his target or near her)

Thus PUA1 can engage the obstacle or the target but he will keep in mind who the PUA2's target is.

c. Eartug.
Anytime you see a tug on the earlobe, it means "come into my set."

8. Good night/Bad night. Another "job" of the wingman is to be upbeat and to frame things in a positive light.
If your wing is feeling down because he didn't get laid, your job is to get him focussed on anything positive.

9. The unwritten rule(s).
If you have to call a taxi in order to get home because your wing went home with someone, you do it.
And you don't fucking whine about it either. If you have to drive someone to their car at 5 am, you do that too.

10. Venue changing madness.

This is "the grass is always greener somewhere else" mentality. When I go out with a good wing, we stay in one place. A good time to venue change might be 12:00 am if you've been in the first venue for 2 hours.

Constant venue changing just shows you're a bit nervous or needy.

While some places are clearly better than others, they do tend to follow patterns over specific nights. And you don't need to drive around town looking for the best bar at 1:25am.

Cheers
Tribulus

[Rainman]

one thing you forgot as a wingman. i believe--and this is a personal theory/methodology/style. as a wingman ALWAYS number close your obstacle. that way at the end of the night BOTH girls go home with a good feeling and talk about how nice and amazing those 2 guys were, instead of the target talking about how great that guy was and the obstacle talking about how she wishes blah blah blah or how she had a shitty night because blah. this also allows your target to not feel guilty and the obstacle to not even get the idea that she was "just being gamed" it makes her feel truly appreciated. plus, what do you have to lose? absolutely nothing--are you ever going to call this girl? hell no! so what does it matter, if your out being the wingman, being the support, being the help, don't let it end at the close, make sure to finish in your own right and close that damn obstacle

[Finesse]

just to add to rainmans post as well. if you, as a wing, number close the OB then it could potentially be easier for a day 2 for the guy that was running the set. Some girls dont want to go back out alone if there wasnt enough rapport built up. So a quick set with a day 2 is even more possible since you can then go as a group again.

One of the rules I would like to add is, Do try and use the Accomplishment intros.

Another I would like to add is, as wings to each other, you guys should know about how each other opens and runs a set. and if possible you both should use different material the majority of the time. I think only like 25% should over lap if even that much.

Great points Trib.