i smell a RAT to my cheese

[eros]

i will say the situation , and u guys will tell me if i should hang with this rat or not. so i been out with this guy for a month every weekend to sarge , and talk on phone regular, at least twice a weekend, to see where the other one is so we can meet and hit on chicks. i meet a hb10 with him and he wasn`t interested at all after i talk with him , cause i play fair and don`t play against friends( myrule). so.. after a week the next weekend, i left at least 2-3 voice mail to this guy and he never replay , or any kind of comunication. and guess what i find him on tuesday at hb 10 about to leave. the girl live with 3 more girls and are new in us. anyway i don`t care if he bang that or any other chick there, what u guys think i should keep him around like a friend, or treat him like a rat. hb10 was at my place that night so woman is not an issue, not looking for wife :), i am curious cause he did his game sneaky , all weekend i couldn`t find him and i meet the rat at my girl`s house. is not a guy from comunity. you will trust a rat like this in the field? who just dissapear and u find him smeling your cheese?

[Neuromancer]

bros before hos... if he games your target it's universally uncool.

[holyskeleton]

is not a guy from comunity.

I'm glad we cleared that up.

[Finesse]

alright... first off... he's not a guy from the community.

mistake number 1

mistake number 2 is not AMOGing him... regardless of whether or not there is a guy from the community or not (guys from the community will actually help you be Alpha when they wing you) if it's your set... your the alpha .... period.

take notes on what he did and move on man. Sucks he did that to you but there is a learning expierence in everything. then ... next time dont go out with him unless you want to observe again.... or you could have fun and start setting him up. Your call. I think he would be a good "experiment".

[Neuromancer]

Good stuff Fin. I would guess that you do all the work and he just hangs back and lets you intro him to a set. If that's true, and i think it probably is, he's probably been leaching sets from you for some time.

I had a buddy that used to do that. I thought he was cool and hung out with him. I would meet HBs and would introduce during the course of a nights clubbing. He ended up dating a few girls I met first. I just thought about that now. What a dick.

[Tribulus1000]

That's when you pull the guy aside and have a little chat with him. That is if you see him as a friend and a potential ally.
David D suggested that you go and learn from the naturals so hanging only with community guys isn't a hard and fast rule. But you have to keep your eyes and ears open.
If this dude won't return phone calls, you may be better off hanging with some of the guys in this lair or others.

I would try going out alone.

Myself, I can go out alone whenever I want and I make friends right then and there in the bar. The places I go, I know people anyway.

Welsh Dragon had some comments on going out alone and working on yourself too. Read his post. Good stuff.

And most of the time, you see guys from the community out anyway so its no big deal to just go out alone.
Take Sherlocks Addison (Aka "PUA Central") on a Friday or a Saturday night, I've seen lots of guys from the community out there including CJ and Sinn - who are probably world class.

Bottom line: Friends don't let friends cockblock. Period.

You should be willing to help your friends or any community guy. If that means taking a 2 set with an UG, you do it.
This community is about self improvement and getting laid. Period.

I've sat in on 2 sets for many guys. And I'll help out if I can, within reason.

[Westfall]

mistake number 2 is not AMOGing him... regardless of whether or not there is a guy from the community or not (guys from the community will actually help you be Alpha when they wing you) if it's your set... your the alpha .... period.

Be careful not to AMOG if he is your friend. AMOGing a friend looks like 1) She's more important to you than your friend who you've known for a long time, and 2) you're two douchebags fighting over a chick.

A great AMOG to use in a situation like this is DHV a lil, then say "I can tell he likes you, so I'll let you two get to know each other" and leave.

WF

[NobodyUKnow]

OK, let me throw this out for the community to judge if I'm a rat or not.

One of my best friends and I discovered the community together. We sarge regularly. He's always got a stable of 5-6 FBs. We've both said to each other we aren't emotionally attached to any of the our FBs. We each get first dibs on our FBs on any given night, but if we're gonna pull someone else, unless it's serious (emotional attachment), they are open game. That was the agreement.

So one night not too long ago we're out at Red River and it's clear to HFB1 he's going home with HFB2, so HFB1 decides to go home with me. My friend gets pissed at me.

Now, if we had not agreed on "fair game", I wouldn't have ever gamed one of his chicks... bros before hoes... but we did. Personally, if the situation were reversed, I would have been all about "good for you dude".

So my question is, is there really such a thing as a "fair game" policy? I certainly don't want to put the ability to wing with my friend in jepardy over a stupid lay.

[Neuromancer]

OK, let me throw this out for the community to judge if I'm a rat or not.

One of my best friends and I discovered the community together. We sarge regularly. He's always got a stable of 5-6 FBs. We've both said to each other we aren't emotionally attached to any of the our FBs. We each get first dibs on our FBs on any given night, but if we're gonna pull someone else, unless it's serious (emotional attachment), they are open game. That was the agreement.

So one night not too long ago we're out at Red River and it's clear to HFB1 he's going home with HFB2, so HFB1 decides to go home with me. My friend gets pissed at me.

Now, if we had not agreed on "fair game", I wouldn't have ever gamed one of his chicks... bros before hoes... but we did. Personally, if the situation were reversed, I would have been all about "good for you dude".

So my question is, is there really such a thing as a "fair game" policy? I certainly don't want to put the ability to wing with my friend in jepardy over a stupid lay.

No there is no such thing as a fair game policy. Emotions will get in the way. That being said, if he didn't set up any exclusivity with his FBs they are going out with other guys anyway. He's pissed because it was you and that he had proof of it.
Are you a rat? No. Is this an example why the bros before hos rule is important? Yes. You will run into this type of stuff sarging friends ex GFs, MLTRS, FBs and even failed sarges. Clear it with your buddy first and then be low key about it so it doesn't step on his ego. Did you specifically clear it with him before you jumped in? That might have been enough.

[Welsh_Dragon]

It's not that hard really. Anyone worth hanging out with would have the moral fiber to not fuck over a friend intentionally. Only become friends with people who share your level of respect. Enjoy the company of the people you choose to go out with and make pickup as important as you need to.

Tribulus is spot on. Once you have some good friends - PUA community or not - you can go out alone and just bounce around people or bounce people around. It's actually a tactic because you can set up the venue changes to DHV you depending on what the girl would think was cool. And my friends wouldn't fuck me over so no need to worry there either.

I think a great challenge is out of town. Because I don't know many people I have been developing my "start from ground zero" game as Brad P has mentioned in many of his FRs. I took a lot of what I do now from him. Being able to go in alone and succeed is the ultimate in my opinion and the very social skills you need to develop to get there are massively attractive to all women.