90% Conversation - scary!

[El Fenix]

I disagree with the "choose only 1 dojo" idea. Every dojo has different main themes and specialties. It may be good to start with one, to develop a framework, but eventually there are good things each school has to offer.
This has been my experience(YMMV):

Mystery method is a great overall framework. (though it can get a bit cumbersome if you find yourself thinking "am I in A2 or A3?")
Style's framework simplifies Mystery's model, I like it better personally
David D's C&F is great for attraction
SS can be good for comfort of seduction

There are things to be learned from all the major "schools." No one is perfect. There are good points, and weak ones to all of them. Pick what works best for you, and run with it.

[Scoundrel]

The thing is, if you just get out into the field and open 10 sets you will learn sooooo much. Things that can't be expressed here in words.

Take it slow. I said this somewhere before, but start by getting good at the first five mins. All you do is say hi and tell a little story or ask a silly question (the Elvis bit comes to mind). Smile, say "it's been a pleasure" and go. You won't be rejected because you didn't ask for anything.

Next, add a neg and another story. Just build until can keep her interested for 20 mins. Then you can do a K close and get her #.

[MagicBalls]

Yeah I think I'm gonna go with the Jim Jones method speckled with a little MM & TD and an occasional C&F. Only thing I'll leave out is the Koolaid compliance test.

Summer II started and I'm gaming this wafer thin 19 year old. She's very social and has given me several IOI's: Turning all the way around in her chair immedately after I sat down to talk to me even though I'm right behind her, giving me good eye contact after I looked down at her cleavage, stretching ALLL the way back so I can see down her chest, fidgeting with her hair and arching her back while talking to me which I love, and giggling when I AMOGGED a guy that was in our conversation.

She passed a compliance test, and I got more in store. This girl is not a ho or a slut, she's a good white girl from a good family. It's just that her attraction meters are going off. I feel so in control, like I can overwhelm her. It turns me on to be in control. I'm not going to make the same mistake last semester and wait until the end to try anything. I gotta ride the attraction wave while it's still hot. Move, act, and continue to escalate. MM says in so many words that sex starts from the moment you say hello. You start getting them to comply from giving you their hand all the way to the point where you have them open up their legs and say, "Give it ALL to me, Daddy."

That's what I plan to do. No more BlueBalls. Here comes MagicBalls, our new superhero. Wish me luck. If I fail, it will be a learning experience. I'm willing to try new things and push the limits so long as I can stay near the boundaries of what's socially acceptable and not break any laws.

[Phantasm]

Juggler originally came up with the whole 90:10 rule I think but now he uses the vacuum. It's a really high value (and high pressure thing).

It's simple in theory but takes some nerve.

So first, open, then ask her a big ass open-ended question (not yes or no). Then freeze your body language and look at her like "Well...I'm waiting"

Example...one I did yesterday in Whole Foods...

Me (Smiling): "Hi, is it wrong to come stand behind a cute girl in the checkout line when I don't actually have any items?"

Her (Laughing and smiling real big): Blah blah blah (don't remember)

Me: "So, how was your day?" (Vacuum)

Her: "Oh, OK, what about you?"

Me: "Well, I had my ups and downs today. I love my work but still I'd rather be sleeping or drinking milk or something. Don't get me wrong, I love my job and my coworkers are all really fun people to hang with but a man has to have priorities. So, what do you like to do?" (This isn't the exact statement because I don't really remember what I said but this is how it's "modelled.")

Her: Blah blah blah

Notice the question was very mundane but it worked.

In this case I number closed her after her saying she was dating some guy who isn't her boyfriend but she doesn't think it's OK to date more then one person at a time. Of course she doesn't.


So usually after the big OEQ she'll be like "I don't know." So then model the answer you want and ask another sightly smaller question. It's very ballsy and makes her work.

We were talking laughing, smiling and kinoing for like 10 or 15 minutes.

Just a suggestion.

[H_Raja]

Tribulus- Funny, they even say the same about the martial arts. Quite true.


Both Juggler Method and RSD have come up with stuff that bypasses the 90:10 rule.

[Elation]

Learn to not be afraid of your thoughts


I think most peoples problems is they constantly judge whether or not their thoughts are "cool" or "interesting". Just be yourself. "OMG OMG, he said just be yourself. That's what my mom said and that's the reason I suck at girls"

no no no. You don't really know how to fully be yourself. Your trying to be your cool self, or rather you perception of what your cool self looks like.

My boss at work is an extremely alpha guy. I mean after all he is the leader. He walks up to any given conversation and just starts speaking his mind. No one interrupts him. No one questions his authority. Why? because the frame is that he has is that he is the social leader and everyone should listen up. Well guess what? You can take that frame and apply it to people and force them to "listen up" to you. Just say what's on your mind, only with the confidence, body language and tonality that everyone is blessed to hear your words of wisdom. Comedians don't hesitate to make sure their audience likes them. They simply plow through their material with the belief that they are hilarious. Assume the sale.

Now, is that saying that canned material and openers, DHV's, false disqualifiers, etc etc don't have a place? no, of course they do. That's where OUR game separates us from the typical muscle-faced tool who only gets laid by girls that preselect him. He isn't afraid to speak his mind and he has the appropriate body language because his frame is that he is extremely attractive. And truth be told he is, for horny girls who just want to fuck. But he doesn't have any other real value and most girls, unless they are social ladder climbers and only care about looking cool and getting laid by tons of guys, don't want to sleep with that guy. That's where we come in. Not only does a PUA present that arua, BUT he has the solid verbal game and plans the logistics perfectly.

Now I personally am not always able to simply speak my mind. I too struggle with minimal levels of insecurity (not THAT much, but still) Sometimes I'm afraid to open a set because it seems like to much hard work. That's where warm up sets come in. It's like grinding up your chambers to full social throttle so you can bust in and flood your interactions with smooth flowing social value and stories.

And guys, if you don't know how to tell a good story yet... Stop talking to girls. Seriously. Go chat the old man in the grocery store until you can consistently make him die laughing. Why would you want to put your shaky ego on the line in front of hot girls if you still can't even make unintimidating regular people love you.

My thoughts
-Strapper

[Twitchy]

Check out Sinn's blog on multi-threading. Guaranteed to eliminate all dead silences in a sarge.

[MagicBalls]

And guys, if you don't know how to tell a good story yet... Stop talking to girls. Seriously. Go chat the old man in the grocery store until you can consistently make him die laughing. Why would you want to put your shaky ego on the line in front of hot girls if you still can't even make unintimidating regular people love you.

I love that; that's great. I think being in the Army for four years really helped me because you're thrown into situations where you start talking to everyone you meet on the spot. It's good to have good social skills overall, it helps you in everything that you do.

[Rainman]

1)dont think of it as scary....your putting yourself in a bad mental state. look at it as you KNOW what to do for the first 5 minutes. you know damn well what your doing and you have the tools to fucking ROCK that first 5 minutes right? well then what? look at the next 10 as something you need to develope something that you need to practice on how to create. look for topics within what she gives you as statements. for instance:
HB: "yea my friends and i dont like bars"

simple statement, but it gives you a wealth of topics to expand upon
1)what else do you guys do for fun
2)why don't you like bars (try and make this conversation brief because it focuses on negative emotions--why she hates stuff)
3)the positive aspects of bars and why you like them
4)her friends....are they always so tight knit? do they all feel this way? i bet one of them likes bars.....is she the decision maker forcing them to hate bars (banter with her)
5)what was she doing before she came to the bar
6)what brought her to the bar tonight even though she hates bars

6 topics real quick that you could take an otherwise dead end statement onto. practice reading the material behind what she gives you. a truely invaluable skill and one that is relatively easy to develop