Problems with the PUA Community

[voyager]

I stumbled across these articles and I gotta say, this guy is right on the money. I mean apart from the fact that he is deriding pickup "gurus" offering to sell quick fixes, when it looks to me that he is trying to do very much the same.

http://www.thedatingspecialist.com/blog ... rong-pt-1/

http://www.thedatingspecialist.com/blog ... rong-pt-2/

Thoughts?

[Mojo]

Good article. He is correct in pointing out to be wary of "gurus" claiming amazing results because they are, after all, for profit with an eye for the bottom line. Finding a friend that is a natural and observing his tactics is better, and more cheaper, than hiring a guru.

He also mentions an emphasis on forming meaningfull relationships is mostly absent.

The lack of real relationship advice is one of the biggest faults with the pickup community today. They teach you everything from meeting a woman to being intimate with her, but not much afterwards.

and his observation is correct:

You’ve got to learn how to be genuinely confident and level-headed because you can’t keep up a charade forever. If you pretend to be someone you’re not to win her over, she’s bound to catch on when you’re finally dating and feel betrayed. Spend less time trying to “game her” and more time sharing amazing experiences together.

Finding the right mate has the biggest impact on one's happiness. The community helps you find that soulmate though to keep her you must be a man of value, a confident man. No guru I know has yet to incorporate solid lessons on how to do that. The reality is it's a personal quest only you know how best to complete for yourself.

[Bull Run]

When it comes to relationships, learning game or pick up is just the beginning. In fact, seducing and attracting a girl is the easy part. Shit gets real when you want her to stay in your life long-term while both of you are happy with each other. In many ways, game is much, much more crucial when you're in a relationship than when you're just trying to get laid.

[voyager]

When it comes to relationships, since I started I found that I am connecting with more people. The downside being that I can't say that I have that many meaningful relationships, and not just with women. And I'm starting to get to the point where I'm getting frustrated with the lack of emotional intimacy in my life. That's not to say that I am going to rush into a relationship, because bad relationships were a big motivator to make some changes in my life.

Finding a friend that is a natural and observing his tactics is better, and more cheaper, than hiring a guru.

It's funny that you say that, because my friends who I used to think are naturals I now realize don't have much in terms of skill. It was just relative I guess.

Even just the fact that I can approach blows most people away. It's a very low bar that's set here.

[Red Man]

Wow.....these are excellent articles and I'm glad I came across these. Not sure who this guy is but he hit the nail right on the head and has some excellent points.