The Law and Divorce

[Guest]

+++What makes you think foreign women are any different?+++

Please don't start confusing foreign women with loyalty. The dots just don't connect. This is a classic case of the grass is always greener...

I seduced an asian woman in the summer of '08, she was engaged to be married at the time. She came from a very poor family in Taiwan. Extremely religious. She called off her marriage, but continues to live with this poor bastard, while she is a stay-at-home-common-law-marriage-house-wife, let's him buy her new cars and pay for all her shit. And she still comes over and fucks the shit out of me and complains about his faults.

I just spent the last weekend with another asian woman from Thailand. I seduced her in the fall of '09. She flew here to fuck me a year ago. And then she flew here again this last weekend. Only this time she was wearing an engagement ring on her ring finger and a band on the next finger. I asked her about it. She said she got divorced but still wears the rings to ward off men when she's at work at her self-owned bar/restaurant. I asked her when she got divorced. She said about a year ago...which would have put my first seduction at a time when she was still married...when she told me she was divorced. I didn't confront her about this, because I just don't give a shit. But then I asked her who's watching her bar/restaurant back home in Thailand. She got a nervous look on her face and never answered the question. It dawned on me that she was still married and she was concealing it from me. She prayed to Budha every night. Very religious girl. But she was just as trampy as any american slut-bag here in the states.

I'm with BullRun, (I think it was BR, anyway), I don't think a good Christian woman, at her very core, is any more loyal than some bitch you meet in a bar at 1:00am. I'd LIKE to believe that, and I WANT to believe that, but I don't think I can anymore. In fact, I started seeing a therapist this week on this VERY issue: I just don't trust women to be loyal.

I have just recently decided that I am no longer gonna see either one of these slutty ass asian bitches, because I desperately want to believe that there are women who can be trusted to remain loyal. This isn't the only time in 4 years of divorce that some bitch has concealed a marriage from me. It's happened...a lot. It starts out as "I'm divorced" then it slowly evolves into "I'm going through a divorce" to "We're seperated" then to "I moved back in (but I still want to see you)". Fuck, they were never divorced at all.

Which makes me wonder about all these flaky ass "single" bitches, who just evaporate into thin air at go time. Sure, I can blame my game for bad comfort building and all that shit, but now that I see things with more clarity, I think these ho-bags have boyfriends. They'd like to see about a potential upgrade with me, but she isn't sure she can get me. Her boyfriend says "let's do something" that evening, right at go time, she feels guilty and doesn't even bother responding with a simple text message to let me know what her fake excuse is for being a flaky fucking disloyal bitch.

Knowing what I now realize about women, that theory makes a LOT more sense than "She's a single girl with no boyfriend who just isn't comfortable with me yet...so uncomfortable that she can't meet me in a public place for a quick fucking drink. I must have fucked up my comfort game again. This is my fault."

The concealed boyfriend makes a SHIT TON more sense than bad comfort game on my part.

You see this shit happening all over society, slutty ho's fucking people behind their boyfriends and husband's backs, and you just want to think, it happens to other people, but it'd never happen to me. How fucking naive is that???

My two cents: The reason foreign women are easier to approach, successfully, is because, YOU have the societal advantage if you are here, in Texas, and she's from Asia or wherever.

Women DOMINATE social skills, that's their number one strength in life. We men, we're usually better at things like math and engineering, but WOMAN's strength is her social skills. Period.

So when you approach a foreign woman here in the States, and she's still struggling with broken english, it really is like taking candy from a baby. You know the social customs here, she doesn't. You can throw out a simple phrase, like, for example, "The whole nine yards". You know what it means, but she doesn't. Shit like that reinforces her thoughts that you are higher status. And that's about all there is to it. Very simple, actually.

Women are instinctively attracted to men who exhibit higher social status and that is why foreign women are easier targets. And easier target DOES NOT equal a more loyal girl. Don't connect those dots. They should NEVER be connected. If any thing, an easier target is more likely to be disloyal, imo.

I have MAJOR trust issues. I'd like to have a good wife, I'd like to think that I can be the alpha male in her life forever, so I never have to deal with some stupid bitch flaking on me again, never have to make the first phone call again, never have to approach some stupid bitch again...never have to figure out what our first "date" is gonna be. That shit's fun when you score, but when she "decides" to screen you out for GOD-ONLY-KNOWS-WHAT-REASON, it's not that fun. Some women show disinterest even when they are interested, some don't play games and how the fuck am I supposed to know what the fuck her problem is??? I'm starting to think it's not worth the effort any more. Seriously, what sane guy wants to deal with all that bullshit from US women for the rest of his life??? These bitches drive me fucking crazy. But in a long term relationship, if I really love her, knowing what I now realize about women, I'd be the insecure little man if she's having a girls night out. And if I'm not the insecure little man, then I'm the asshole who ignores her because I'm starting to just not give a shit about her anymore. I don't trust and even if I could, I don't think I'd be able to be the alpha-male in her eyes for a lifetime. FUCK! God must have been REALLY pissed about eating that fruit!

[Guest]

Therapy sounds like a good idea. Lighten up man! You're one paranoid dude. If you go in to a relationship with that mentality...the mentality that you are afraid you're gonna be cheated on... you WILL get cheated on because that's just the way it works.

Just because you know a few specific examples of slutty women being sluts, that doesn't apply to ALL women.


[QUOTE=Alphagame;40168]+++What makes you think foreign women are any different?+++

Please don't start confusing foreign women with loyalty. The dots just don't connect. This is a classic case of the grass is always greener...

I seduced an asian woman in the summer of '08, she was engaged to be married at the time. She came from a very poor family in Taiwan. Extremely religious. She called off her marriage, but continues to live with this poor bastard, while she is a stay-at-home-common-law-marriage-house-wife, let's him buy her new cars and pay for all her shit. And she still comes over and fucks the shit out of me and complains about his faults.

I just spent the last weekend with another asian woman from Thailand. I seduced her in the fall of '09. She flew here to fuck me a year ago. And then she flew here again this last weekend. Only this time she was wearing an engagement ring on her ring finger and a band on the next finger. I asked her about it. She said she got divorced but still wears the rings to ward off men when she's at work at her self-owned bar/restaurant. I asked her when she got divorced. She said about a year ago...which would have put my first seduction at a time when she was still married...when she told me she was divorced. I didn't confront her about this, because I just don't give a shit. But then I asked her who's watching her bar/restaurant back home in Thailand. She got a nervous look on her face and never answered the question. It dawned on me that she was still married and she was concealing it from me. She prayed to Budha every night. Very religious girl. But she was just as trampy as any american slut-bag here in the states.

I'm with BullRun, (I think it was BR, anyway), I don't think a good Christian woman, at her very core, is any more loyal than some bitch you meet in a bar at 1:00am. I'd LIKE to believe that, and I WANT to believe that, but I don't think I can anymore. In fact, I started seeing a therapist this week on this VERY issue: I just don't trust women to be loyal.

I have just recently decided that I am no longer gonna see either one of these slutty ass asian bitches, because I desperately want to believe that there are women who can be trusted to remain loyal. This isn't the only time in 4 years of divorce that some bitch has concealed a marriage from me. It's happened...a lot. It starts out as "I'm divorced" then it slowly evolves into "I'm going through a divorce" to "We're seperated" then to "I moved back in (but I still want to see you)". Fuck, they were never divorced at all.

Which makes me wonder about all these flaky ass "single" bitches, who just evaporate into thin air at go time. Sure, I can blame my game for bad comfort building and all that shit, but now that I see things with more clarity, I think these ho-bags have boyfriends. They'd like to see about a potential upgrade with me, but she isn't sure she can get me. Her boyfriend says "let's do something" that evening, right at go time, she feels guilty and doesn't even bother responding with a simple text message to let me know what her fake excuse is for being a flaky fucking disloyal bitch.

Knowing what I now realize about women, that theory makes a LOT more sense than "She's a single girl with no boyfriend who just isn't comfortable with me yet...so uncomfortable that she can't meet me in a public place for a quick fucking drink. I must have fucked up my comfort game again. This is my fault."

The concealed boyfriend makes a SHIT TON more sense than bad comfort game on my part.

You see this shit happening all over society, slutty ho's fucking people behind their boyfriends and husband's backs, and you just want to think, it happens to other people, but it'd never happen to me. How fucking naive is that???

My two cents: The reason foreign women are easier to approach, successfully, is because, YOU have the societal advantage if you are here, in Texas, and she's from Asia or wherever.

Women DOMINATE social skills, that's their number one strength in life. We men, we're usually better at things like math and engineering, but WOMAN's strength is her social skills. Period.

So when you approach a foreign woman here in the States, and she's still struggling with broken english, it really is like taking candy from a baby. You know the social customs here, she doesn't. You can throw out a simple phrase, like, for example, "The whole nine yards". You know what it means, but she doesn't. Shit like that reinforces her thoughts that you are higher status. And that's about all there is to it. Very simple, actually.

Women are instinctively attracted to men who exhibit higher social status and that is why foreign women are easier targets. And easier target DOES NOT equal a more loyal girl. Don't connect those dots. They should NEVER be connected. If any thing, an easier target is more likely to be disloyal, imo.

I have MAJOR trust issues. I'd like to have a good wife, I'd like to think that I can be the alpha male in her life forever, so I never have to deal with some stupid bitch flaking on me again, never have to make the first phone call again, never have to approach some stupid bitch again...never have to figure out what our first "date" is gonna be. That shit's fun when you score, but when she "decides" to screen you out for GOD-ONLY-KNOWS-WHAT-REASON, it's not that fun. Some women show disinterest even when they are interested, some don't play games and how the fuck am I supposed to know what the fuck her problem is??? I'm starting to think it's not worth the effort any more. Seriously, what sane guy wants to deal with all that bullshit from US women for the rest of his life??? These bitches drive me fucking crazy. But in a long term relationship, if I really love her, knowing what I now realize about women, I'd be the insecure little man if she's having a girls night out. And if I'm not the insecure little man, then I'm the asshole who ignores her because I'm starting to just not give a shit about her anymore. I don't trust and even if I could, I don't think I'd be able to be the alpha-male in her eyes for a lifetime. FUCK! God must have been REALLY pissed about eating that fruit![/QUOTE]

[Guest]

I can appreciate how Alphagame feels.

I've had more than my fair share of women that were married but didn't disclose it until after the deed was done. Or didn't even bother to hide it and I still ended up fucking them (obviously I put more blame on myself in the latter than the former). I've also cheated on women that I cared for deeply, and some that I didn't give two shits about. I've also had women cheat on me, in varying degrees. It happens man. People cheat. It's not that abnormal.

I remember reading The Last Picture Show when I was in high school. This book was written in the 60's but set in a small Texas town in the 50's. There was a character in the book, a middle-aged married woman, that has an affair with one of her husband's students (the husband was a basketball coach or something). I remember feeling completely shocked that this shit went on back then. It just didn't seem right to me. Further, the book was just loaded with sex. Again, this seemed foreign to me. So, I asked my mom about it. Did things like that happen back then? She said yes. Both of my grandfathers cheated on their wives. I've had a few aunts and uncles that did the same thing, the men had several affairs while the women had one that lasted a long, long time. Shit, my grandmother had at least one as well.

This is when I realized that everyone is nostaglic about the old times. Back in the day, everything was cheaper, women were loyal, and politicians were noble. That's complete and utter bullshit man. People are corrupt. It's a story that has been told time and time again. It's in the fucking Bible for Christ's sake. That's part of what makes humans human. We have free will, temptation, and we are inherently flawed because temptation sometimes wins.

Understand that temptation and virtuousness are a balancing act. In the past, the family unit, religious morality, and soceital pressures acted to prevent people from giving in to temptation. Those were the counter weights to keep people from allowing their free will to pull them to places that were not virtuous.

Unfortunately, the attack on the family via feminism, the attack of religion via liberalism, and promoting the virtues of temptation through the arts, mainstream media, and industrial entertainment complex have resulted in dulling the blades with which we used to fight temptation. Today, there simply are not the same consequences as in the past. If you understand the incentives, or disincentives, to specific behavior then you'll be able to accurately predict how MOST humans will make choices.

In today's world, being a whore gets you attention and the costs of doing so are so small to not ever really be mentioned. Men are lauded for their whoring ability while easy women are pursued by men for sex. Right now, in today's day and age it's a win-win for men and women to be whores. Women get men and attention, which is exactly what they want. Men get to spread their seed and get high status, from both men and women, because of their prowess.

It's no wonder that women are willing to cheat. That and the tilited legal system and advent of feminism giving them excuses to engage in poor behavior. An example is Eat, Pray, Love. I watched the film this weekend because I knew I wouldn't be able to read that trash. There's a scene where the main character is eating pizza in Naples with her friend. The friend's not eating it because she's starting to get fat. This was the main characters response:

"Let me ask you something. In all the years you've ever undressed in front of a gentleman, has he ever asked you to leave? Has he ever walked out and left? It's because he doesn't care. He's in a room with a naked girl, he's won the lottery. I'm so tired of saying no and waking up in the morning and recalling every single thing I ate the day before, counting every calorie I consumed so I know exactly how much self-loathing to take into the shower. I'm going for it. I have no interest in being obese. I'm just through with the guilt."

Yep. The lottery. They're the prize. Feminism has created this type of justification throughout the female mind and it's gone way too far. After they stuff their face, they go to a boutique and each buys a bigger pair of jeans to cover their newly fat ass. This is the mentality that we're dealing with here.

Alpha, man life isn't fair. It sucks most times. And, yes, when it comes to relationships it's an uphill battle for men. Even the most virtuous women will succumb to the temptation of pizza because society says that they're the prize because there are far too few men willing to walk the fuck away when they see something they don't like. The truth is that blame lies with men, not women. We let them act this way. We allow them to behave as poorly as they do because there is still some dumb shit out there willing to pursue tainted pussy which just reinforces poor behavior by women.

One of the many things that PU has taught me is that there is so much more to life than pussy. Sure, it's great but it's replacable. I think this is where you're running into issues, you're making it too big of a deal. The reality is that if you have other things in your life that bring you enjoyment, satisfaction, and confidence and you think of women as nothing more than fun little creatures to play with when you're not busy doing something important then I don't believe you'll ever have a girl cheat on you. They want to be the center of your life, but if you have a full life then she'll never be in the center, never. She'll try and fight and claw and scratch. She'll try to manipulate you, to trick you, to catch you. It's a different type of problem. Instead of keeping her with you, you have to keep her away from you. Eventually, one of two things will happen: 1) she'll decide that this is all she's going to get and will be happy with what you give her OR 2) she'll leave.

Every scenario has a cost. You can create a relationship in which the girl will not cheat on you. But, in doing so, it will come with a cost. A different kind of cost to be sure but a cost nonetheless. The grass is always greener but sometimes it's because that's where the dogs shit or it's because that's where the most rain falls. The grass is green sure, but the green comes with a different cost.

The question is which cost are you willing to bear?

[Guest]

For Christ's sake Bull Run. It's not that bad dude.

I've been with girls who have cheated on me. Hell I wouldn't be in this community if that didn't happen.

I've been with girls who gained weight while we were together.

I've been pursued by attached/married women as well.

But you know what you do as a man? You hold your fucking chin high, and don't let the world compromise you, beat you down, or make you jaded. It's not that fucking bad.

Maybe the problem with both of you is selection. If you're constantly getting fucked over by women, or you feel like you are, maybe you're screening for the wrong types of women. If you're selecting for the independent, sexed up, bar girls... don't be surprised when at the end of the day you have a girl who looks out for herself first, enjoys sex, and likes to party.

Or your expectations are off. A tiger ain't gonna change her stripes. If you're after a certain type of girl, and that's the type of girl you talk to, enjoy it for what it is. Don't expect her to turn in to a loyal 18 year old virgin homemaker if you catch my drift.

[QUOTE=Bull Run;40173]I can appreciate how Alphagame feels.

I've had more than my fair share of women that were married but didn't disclose it until after the deed was done. Or didn't even bother to hide it and I still ended up fucking them (obviously I put more blame on myself in the latter than the former). I've also cheated on women that I cared for deeply, and some that I didn't give two shits about. I've also had women cheat on me, in varying degrees. It happens man. People cheat. It's not that abnormal.

I remember reading The Last Picture Show when I was in high school. This book was written in the 60's but set in a small Texas town in the 50's. There was a character in the book, a middle-aged married woman, that has an affair with one of her husband's students (the husband was a basketball coach or something). I remember feeling completely shocked that this shit went on back then. It just didn't seem right to me. Further, the book was just loaded with sex. Again, this seemed foreign to me. So, I asked my mom about it. Did things like that happen back then? She said yes. Both of my grandfathers cheated on their wives. I've had a few aunts and uncles that did the same thing, the men had several affairs while the women had one that lasted a long, long time. Shit, my grandmother had at least one as well.

This is when I realized that everyone is nostaglic about the old times. Back in the day, everything was cheaper, women were loyal, and politicians were noble. That's complete and utter bullshit man. People are corrupt. It's a story that has been told time and time again. It's in the fucking Bible for Christ's sake. That's part of what makes humans human. We have free will, temptation, and we are inherently flawed because temptation sometimes wins.

Understand that temptation and virtuousness are a balancing act. In the past, the family unit, religious morality, and soceital pressures acted to prevent people from giving in to temptation. Those were the counter weights to keep people from allowing their free will to pull them to places that were not virtuous.

Unfortunately, the attack on the family via feminism, the attack of religion via liberalism, and promoting the virtues of temptation through the arts, mainstream media, and industrial entertainment complex have resulted in dulling the blades with which we used to fight temptation. Today, there simply are not the same consequences as in the past. If you understand the incentives, or disincentives, to specific behavior then you'll be able to accurately predict how MOST humans will make choices.

In today's world, being a whore gets you attention and the costs of doing so are so small to not ever really be mentioned. Men are lauded for their whoring ability while easy women are pursued by men for sex. Right now, in today's day and age it's a win-win for men and women to be whores. Women get men and attention, which is exactly what they want. Men get to spread their seed and get high status, from both men and women, because of their prowess.

It's no wonder that women are willing to cheat. That and the tilited legal system and advent of feminism giving them excuses to engage in poor behavior. An example is Eat, Pray, Love. I watched the film this weekend because I knew I wouldn't be able to read that trash. There's a scene where the main character is eating pizza in Naples with her friend. The friend's not eating it because she's starting to get fat. This was the main characters response:

"Let me ask you something. In all the years you've ever undressed in front of a gentleman, has he ever asked you to leave? Has he ever walked out and left? It's because he doesn't care. He's in a room with a naked girl, he's won the lottery. I'm so tired of saying no and waking up in the morning and recalling every single thing I ate the day before, counting every calorie I consumed so I know exactly how much self-loathing to take into the shower. I'm going for it. I have no interest in being obese. I'm just through with the guilt."

Yep. The lottery. They're the prize. Feminism has created this type of justification throughout the female mind and it's gone way too far. After they stuff their face, they go to a boutique and each buys a bigger pair of jeans to cover their newly fat ass. This is the mentality that we're dealing with here.

Alpha, man life isn't fair. It sucks most times. And, yes, when it comes to relationships it's an uphill battle for men. Even the most virtuous women will succumb to the temptation of pizza because society says that they're the prize because there are far too few men willing to walk the fuck away when they see something they don't like. The truth is that blame lies with men, not women. We let them act this way. We allow them to behave as poorly as they do because there is still some dumb shit out there willing to pursue tainted pussy which just reinforces poor behavior by women.

One of the many things that PU has taught me is that there is so much more to life than pussy. Sure, it's great but it's replacable. I think this is where you're running into issues, you're making it too big of a deal. The reality is that if you have other things in your life that bring you enjoyment, satisfaction, and confidence and you think of women as nothing more than fun little creatures to play with when you're not busy doing something important then I don't believe you'll ever have a girl cheat on you. They want to be the center of your life, but if you have a full life then she'll never be in the center, never. She'll try and fight and claw and scratch. She'll try to manipulate you, to trick you, to catch you. It's a different type of problem. Instead of keeping her with you, you have to keep her away from you. Eventually, one of two things will happen: 1) she'll decide that this is all she's going to get and will be happy with what you give her OR 2) she'll leave.

Every scenario has a cost. You can create a relationship in which the girl will not cheat on you. But, in doing so, it will come with a cost. A different kind of cost to be sure but a cost nonetheless. The grass is always greener but sometimes it's because that's where the dogs shit or it's because that's where the most rain falls. The grass is green sure, but the green comes with a different cost.

The question is which cost are you willing to bear?[/QUOTE]

[Guest]

[QUOTE=grimm1111;40179]For Christ's sake Bull Run. It's not that bad dude.

I've been with girls who have cheated on me. Hell I wouldn't be in this community if that didn't happen.

I've been with girls who gained weight while we were together.

I've been pursued by attached/married women as well.

But you know what you do as a man? You hold your fucking chin high, and don't let the world compromise you, beat you down, or make you jaded. It's not that fucking bad.

Maybe the problem with both of you is selection. If you're constantly getting fucked over by women, or you feel like you are, maybe you're screening for the wrong types of women. If you're selecting for the independent, sexed up, bar girls... don't be surprised when at the end of the day you have a girl who looks out for herself first, enjoys sex, and likes to party.

Or your expectations are off. A tiger ain't gonna change her stripes. If you're after a certain type of girl, and that's the type of girl you talk to, enjoy it for what it is. Don't expect her to turn in to a loyal 18 year old virgin homemaker if you catch my drift.[/QUOTE]


Wait, wait, wait. You just echoed my sentiments man. I'm not jaded or angry or unhappy with women. I understand exactly what I'm going to be getting into and understand that every choice I make has a consequence.

Do I think there are some real problems with women in our society? Yes I do. But, I think there are some real problems with society in general, it doesn't just stop with women.

The world hasn't beat me down bro, in fact just the opposite. Having an understanding that women are just people too and are subject to the same temptations as everyone else has made me a better man. It's a take it or leave it attitude with me these days. Here's what I'll offer...take it or leave it. I'm not going to change to suit any one else, including women. Here's my end of the deal, I'll uphold that...now, here's her end of the deal. As long as you uphold your end and I uphold my end of the deal then things will be fine...if not, then I would expect that one of us leaves. Simple as that.

Like I said, every decision has a cost. If I make the decision to be with a woman and have an exclusive relationship (define that as you see fit) then I understand that a potential cost of this decision is that she could get fat, she could cheat, she could try to browbeat me into being someone I'm not, etc. I understand that going in. If those things do happen, the key is to not let them affect me in a negative way. To resist them and to seek out happiness where ever that might be.

On the other hand, if I decide not to have any meaningful relationships with women then I understand that I could potentially live an emptier life than I otherwise would if I had a woman with me.

These are the costs of my choices. My point is that you have to make the decision that makes you happy, the one that you feel best living in, and the one with a cost that you're willing to bear. People do shitty things to each other. This doesn't mean that I'm going to let them change what I feel about myself as a man.

On the other hand, you make things out to be simple. Black and white. If I complain about how male-female dynamics are structured then that means I'm jaded? That's not how the world works. If a girl is a bar rat and falls for you does that mean that she's automatically going to cheat on you? No, the chances are higher that she will but they're not guranteed. If you marry an 18 year old virgin does this mean she'll always be loyal? No. This isn't the first post that you read as jaded when in fact it's just guys talking about how they feel about dealing with what we believe is a flawed male-female dynamic.

I hate our government, but that doesn't make me jaded. Being jaded means that I would leave the topic of discussion. It means I'd walk away from all women OR just give up. No one is saying anything of the kind.

Like I said, people do shitty things to each other. That's just life. Part of being a man is being prepared to deal with them if they occur but also not being afraid to take a calculated risk even if you know that you could get fucked hardcore in the end. This was my point. Shit happens, now move on. Be smart about your choices but don't be afraid to make one.

[Guest]

You're right that I do see things as black and white, and maybe to a fault, I'm not discounting that possibility.

Also you're right, it's not just your post I've had a bad gut reaction to. This whole thread has had a defeatist and negative tone as I've read it.

The point of my post is not to put you or anyone down. Think of it more like a halftime speech that's meant to get your mind right.

The point is you're spending energy worrying about negative shit, as I see it. But what mentality is going to bring you success?

SNAP OUT OF IT.

You're the hunter, she's the prey. There's NO OTHER WAY. Don't worry about how she might fuck you over, or how womankind has fucked us over by feminism blah blah blah. They're STILL JUST GIRLS.

We're here to FUCK THEM... over

End rant.

[QUOTE=Bull Run;40181]Wait, wait, wait. You just echoed my sentiments man. I'm not jaded or angry or unhappy with women. I understand exactly what I'm going to be getting into and understand that every choice I make has a consequence.

Do I think there are some real problems with women in our society? Yes I do. But, I think there are some real problems with society in general, it doesn't just stop with women.

The world hasn't beat me down bro, in fact just the opposite. Having an understanding that women are just people too and are subject to the same temptations as everyone else has made me a better man. It's a take it or leave it attitude with me these days. Here's what I'll offer...take it or leave it. I'm not going to change to suit any one else, including women. Here's my end of the deal, I'll uphold that...now, here's her end of the deal. As long as you uphold your end and I uphold my end of the deal then things will be fine...if not, then I would expect that one of us leaves. Simple as that.

Like I said, every decision has a cost. If I make the decision to be with a woman and have an exclusive relationship (define that as you see fit) then I understand that a potential cost of this decision is that she could get fat, she could cheat, she could try to browbeat me into being someone I'm not, etc. I understand that going in. If those things do happen, the key is to not let them affect me in a negative way. To resist them and to seek out happiness where ever that might be.

On the other hand, if I decide not to have any meaningful relationships with women then I understand that I could potentially live an emptier life than I otherwise would if I had a woman with me.

These are the costs of my choices. My point is that you have to make the decision that makes you happy, the one that you feel best living in, and the one with a cost that you're willing to bear. People do shitty things to each other. This doesn't mean that I'm going to let them change what I feel about myself as a man.

On the other hand, you make things out to be simple. Black and white. If I complain about how male-female dynamics are structured then that means I'm jaded? That's not how the world works. If a girl is a bar rat and falls for you does that mean that she's automatically going to cheat on you? No, the chances are higher that she will but they're not guranteed. If you marry an 18 year old virgin does this mean she'll always be loyal? No. This isn't the first post that you read as jaded when in fact it's just guys talking about how they feel about dealing with what we believe is a flawed male-female dynamic.

I hate our government, but that doesn't make me jaded. Being jaded means that I would leave the topic of discussion. It means I'd walk away from all women OR just give up. No one is saying anything of the kind.

Like I said, people do shitty things to each other. That's just life. Part of being a man is being prepared to deal with them if they occur but also not being afraid to take a calculated risk even if you know that you could get fucked hardcore in the end. This was my point. Shit happens, now move on. Be smart about your choices but don't be afraid to make one.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=grimm1111;40186]Don't worry about how she might fuck you over, or how womankind has fucked us over by feminism blah blah blah. They're STILL JUST GIRLS.[/QUOTE]


I've said this many times throughout this thread just in a different way.

And, it's perfectly fine to acknowledge what feminism has done. There's not much we can do about it now but it's important that we understand what happened and how it has impacted life for men now. The reason is simple: we can use it to our advantage if we understand what we're up against.

And, I've said it time and time again. Girls are just girls. Treat them as such.

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;40173]
Even the most virtuous women will succumb to the temptation of pizza because society says that they're the prize because there are far too few men willing to walk the fuck away when they see something they don't like.
The truth is that blame lies with men, not women. We let them act this way. We allow them to behave as poorly as they do because there is still some dumb shit out there willing to pursue tainted pussy which just reinforces poor behavior by women.
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BR,

I don't read your posts as sounding beat down or jaded at all man. You have pretty good feel for things in my book. This thread isn't all doom and gloom, just a nice cold hard swig of reality.

I have seen so many cool switched on guys who meet some random bag and of a sudden start "worshiping the pussy". It's one of the saddest sights you can behold in this world. The excuses come right out too - "But she is very pretty so I can understand why she is high maintenance". BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT. That is the fucking most retardedly gay thinking imaginable.

BR thank you for cutting to the heart of the matter with your above quote. As usual the blame indeed lies with men (most of the blame that is - it does stick in my gut somewhat when bitches know exactly what they are doing and don't feel bad at all even when called out by a 3rd party. They think it is their god given right to use people. Some women are pieces of shit just like men). Once you afford any woman the upper hand based on her looks you have lost (#1 worst mistake most guys make and often right out of the gate). In fact once you afford ANYONE the upper hand based on ANYTHING you have lost. Basic premise all celebs use all the time.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to treat a woman differently based on her looks (nor any person based on any trait, achievement, whatever).

1. The old PU adage holds true. If you wouldn't take it from your guy friend you sure as shit shouldn't be taking it from a bitch.
2. Alpha male is above all females anyway. Use your most attractive qualities (intellegence) and show them who is boss. But again as always the "what to do" is harder to explain than the "what not to do". You must convey your indifference to her looks immediately and resoundingly. That does not mean she thinks you find her not-fuckable.

It is frankly shocking and sad how many men make it their tactic to bow down for the looker in the hopes to get lucky and then treat her like a queen for the rest of time. That my friends is a one way ticket to hell. Is it any wonder women take the piss? That's human nature - take advantage of the fool.

Trust me - once you live eat shit breathe this for years and years then women can sense it from you right away. They start treating YOU differently. I could cite example after example after example and the looks of the particular girl DON'T MATTER FOR SHIT. What a mind fuck.

All pretty basic stuff though, really..

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There's an old American saying, "you treat a queen like a whore, and a whore like a queen."

Do that and you'll be alright.

[QUOTE=Welsh_Dragon;40188]BR,

I don't read your posts as sounding beat down or jaded at all man. You have pretty good feel for things in my book. This thread isn't all doom and gloom, just a nice cold hard swig of reality.

I have seen so many cool switched on guys who meet some random bag and of a sudden start "worshiping the pussy". It's one of the saddest sights you can behold in this world. The excuses come right out too - "But she is very pretty so I can understand why she is high maintenance". BULLSHIT BULLSHIT BULLSHIT. That is the fucking most retardedly gay thinking imaginable.

BR thank you for cutting to the heart of the matter with your above quote. As usual the blame indeed lies with men (most of the blame that is - it does stick in my gut somewhat when bitches know exactly what they are doing and don't feel bad at all even when called out by a 3rd party. They think it is their god given right to use people. Some women are pieces of shit just like men). Once you afford any woman the upper hand based on her looks you have lost (#1 worst mistake most guys make). In fact once you afford ANYONE the upper hand based on ANYTHING you have lost. Basic premise all celebs use all the time.

There is absolutely no reason whatsoever to treat a woman differently based on her looks (nor any person based on any trait, achievement, whatever).

1. The old PU adage holds true. If you wouldn't take it from your guy friend you sure as shit shouldn't be taking it from a bitch.
2. Alpha male is above all females anyway. Use your most attractive qualities (intellegence) and show them who is boss. But again as always the "what to do" is harder to explain than the "what not to do". You must convey your indifference to her looks immediately and resoundingly. That does not mean she thinks you find her not-fuckable.

It is frankly shocking and sad how many men make it their tactic to bow down for the looker in the hopes to get lucky and then treat her like a queen for the rest of time. That my friends is a one way ticket to hell. Is it any wonder women take the piss? That's human nature - take advantage of the fool.

Trust me - once you live eat shit breathe this for years and years then women can sense it from you right away. They start treating YOU differently. I could cite example after example after example and the looks of the particular girl DON'T MATTER FOR SHIT. What a mind fuck.

All pretty basic stuff though, really..[/QUOTE]

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There comes a time after you've gone thru enough women that you'll step back and say........"you know what, I really don't care about pussy anymore." You gotta get right with your inner self. Its about like getting right with the LORD! :D When you get to this point you'll not only demand a hot girl, but one that WILL ADD to your life. You also get pretty good at separating the trash from the few good ones. You'll know all the warning signs and their little pussy ass games they play. You'll smell that shit before they even get started. You won't take shit off any of these girls just like BR said. One of the coolest things that comes out of it all is you won't even care if you have a chic or not. It truly is an amazing feeling when you would rather go with out than settle for something less than perfection.

My boy and I jumped on the PUA train about 3.5years ago and we've about ran the wheels right off this crazy ho-train. We've had good times and bad times. We've been thru about every type of woman that exists from: bipolar nut jobs, single moms, one night stands, married women, strippers, cougars, models, broke bitches, strippers, rich career women, whores, southern belles, daddy's girls, and even one that was an illegal immigrant........and she was a stripper too! :rolleyes:

But every single one of them taught us something. We came away from each experience knowing more about ourselves and having a better understanding of women. Its tough to stay positive in this game, but its paramount to your success. Sometimes when we go out we just reminisce about all our crazy stories from robbing a massage parlor, to getting kicked out of a strip club, crazy times at party cove, to fucking a girl in the back of the shaggin' wagon going down 635 one night. Yeah the good ole days. Its always good to reflect on the good times you had with all those girls. If you can't kick back and get a big shit eating grin on your face when you're telling stories about old flames...... then you simply haven't lived. ;)

Most of us have done way more than the majority of the male population ever will. While those chumps are sitting at home wishing they could do what we do, we're out there doing it. You don't make it thru this game unscathed. Success never comes with out some pain.........and you always pay a price. Those who make it to the top are always the ones that wanted it a little more than the guy below him. But understanding women and knowing how to deal with one is a very powerful tool we will all come away with. Its a tool you can take with you when its time to settle down and have a successful relationship with a girl.

Take that negative energy and turn it into something positive. Thats the difference between success and failure. If you aren't willing to control your own destiny someone else will. Do your homework, put forth the effort, earn your street smarts, then go out there and kick some ass and go after whatever makes your little heart bubble.

Luv,

UncleHOwie