My personal sticking points

[Guest]

Before I go into my sticking points, I have a major hinderence. I have an LTR... ish. Basically she basically lives with me and we've been dating for 4 years but right now we are "broken up". I know it's wrong, so spare me all that talk, but I *need* to run game.

Anyway

1)Age -- I'm 23, I look, act, dress, and carry myself a lot older than 23, but I am still 23. With the older women, I get them all riled up and they ask me how old I am or somehow my age pops up and immediately after they hear 23 I can tell they think about how young I am, and basically "write me off". I cannot get past this point, I've tried to call them out on it... my only option I think is lying, but I don't really want to do that. (YES I KNOW THAT CHEATING ON A LTR IS WRONG BUT I HAVE MY PRINCIPLES)

2) Frame... or Life... or something. Anyway, I can for sure attract, # close, etc but some where, some how, my game went off somewhere. I just had a girl stand me up for lunch today...the slut puppy had 2 kids and was a 7.5 max. What...the...hell. I thought to myself "This kind of stuff shouldn't happen to a High Value Male". My text game was on point, now it's not at all. All my numbers go cold and turn into long fuses. I must have done something wrong or changed something.

Anyway, this is more or less for feedback, and to track my own personal progress. I haven't been as active as I should have been, but I was doing the Holiday thing with the LTR. My wing that started this journey with me back in September/August is living the life. He doesn't have an LTR though, especially one that lives with him. This dude is fucking 3 different girls a week, opening sets like crazy, and just overall way more advanced than I am. He has been practicing a lot more and doesn't have to worry about an LTR, but I just find myself wanting to live that life.

Comments, suggestions, and discussion welcomed!

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Sizzle;39080]My wing that started this journey with me back in September/August is living the life. He doesn't have an LTR though, especially one that lives with him. This dude is fucking 3 different girls a week, opening sets like crazy, and just overall way more advanced than I am. He has been practicing a lot more and doesn't have to worry about an LTR, but I just find myself wanting to live that life.[/QUOTE]

You obviously want to be doing what your wing is doing. It seems you are unhappy with your current situation and would like to be more like your wing. Is that correct?

If you said yes, I guess the best thing for you to do would be to cut it off with your ltr, and start approaching like crazy. You get back what you put into this game, like most areas of life. If you want to improve and fuck random sluts all the time, you are going to have to get back in the groove, and approach approach approach.

You seem unhappy with your current situation with a live in LTR. You guys have been together for 4 years, and you call her a major hinderence. I am curious as to why you don't cut it off with her if you are so sick of her.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Gunslinger;39086]You seem unhappy with your current situation with a live in LTR. You guys have been together for 4 years, and you call her a major hinderence. I am curious as to why you don't cut it off with her if you are so sick of her.[/QUOTE]

2nd

One thing that isn't brought up enough is logistics and having a place where you can bring a girl back to without being cockblocked is the most logical way to get laid. A bad situation will always trump tight game

[Guest]

I do want to be more like my wing, however, I brought him into the game and I feed him all the core of information and basically trained alongside him. He just sticks to the material or SOMETHING, I dunno, my game has been off lately.

Approaching is not a big deal, neither is stacking. I can get a girl opening herself up. My text game USED to be tight, but I dunno, lately I guess I'm just in a slump?

I never said I was sick of my G/F. I love her, shes a great , great girl. Honestly, and this is just being 100% honest. She's my first love, I'm the only guy she's been with (allegedly! cant trust females) shes a gem honestly. Good girl, good morals. The only the thing is, right now she is on anti-depressants... at age 22. We've had our issues and what not like any other couple but the anti depressants make her fucking awesome to be around. Well, as some of you may know, anti-dep. meds make the sex drive go down and she's not into it HOWEVER she does everything she needs to please me.

It's just this calling mang, I dunno, I can't explain it. I think maybe cuz I'm 23 and I haven't been out there hunting slut puppies like I should be I never really got a chance to go out there and have different girls and be just be "playa". So I want my cake and I want to eat it to basically.

[Guest]

Not to be rude... but....

I have to wonder what your not acting like a man of value. A man of value is decisive and makes the hard decisions. If your living with your LTR, guess what, she's your wife (maybe not in name, but in practice). You say you love her, well, either decide to stay with her, and be a man about it, or decide to game, next her, and be a man about it.

You can't have tight outer game until you handle your own internal bullshit.

[Guest]

1.) Age: I look very young. The consensus of late has been I look 24 as I ask a shit load of girls to guess when they ask how old I am. I often meet older girls since the average age is in the mid/late 20's for Uptown girls. I tease them when they answer 24 for my age and say "would you ever date a younger guy". The typical answer is "I have and it didn't go well so I am over that". So I hate to say it but you are going to have a hard time dating a lot of the girls in uptown. Most are just a little too old for you. Maybe Ft. Worth is different. Can you overcome this? I'm just not sure. How can you prove maturity, awareness, and prosperity in a matter of minutes? Answer that and you might have a chance with a girl who is older than you.

2.) Frame...or life...or something: Look, a girl who has 2 kids is going to have a very hard time meeting up, period. A baby sitter, or the daddy, or whatever is going to have to watch the kids. Getting this girl out is going to be a chore every single time. I would not let this affect how you think about yourself. I would say this does not reflect on you.

I can tell you are hungry for this lifestyle. I can tell you would probably find success if you took the route of your friend. The problem is you have a tether that you can't break free of. This isn't necessarily a bad thing. You have chosen to stay attached to your Faux LTR. Until you let go of her completely I don't think you truly have a chance. Your friend has no barriers in his way and his hunger has allowed him to find the success you crave. I won't offer advice on what you should do. Only you can answer that. I just don't think you will ever be happy unless you fully commit yourself to one or the other. The decision does not have to be made at this exact moment in time.

The grass is not always greener on the other side, although it often is...

[Guest]

@PC

The grass is greener where the dogs shit.

Anyway, I agree with PC regarding age. I'm 31 and probably look my age. But, I've found that the older I've gotten, the easier it is to pull women. I attribute it to a lot of things, namely experience. And, women get all wet for an experienced man. A little gray in your scruffy 5 o'clock shadow can do wonders.

The LTR is a problem. This girl is 22, she's a 'gem,' and you're holding on to her. You're robbing her of the most precious commodity endowed to a woman: her beauty and youth. If you string her along, you are a thief. Period. You can easily argue that she's willingly engaging you in a relationship BUT I can tell you right now that at 22 the tables have turned on maturity. Men are much, much more mature at 22 than women are...generally speaking of course. You are the one dictating the relationship, not her.

Not to be dick, but I cringe at the things I imagine you must say to her to keep her on the hook. I know, because I'VE BEEN YOU BEFORE. The Master Manipulator, the Puppet Master.

It's only after you've lost everything that you can do anything. Lose it man, lose it. If you want the PUA lifestyle, you have to lose everything.

As for your Game, I can't really comment on what you do in the field and I only have your posts to go by but 4 years of being in the Community teaches one a lot. Experience teaches you how to read a post and understand the person. Weird I know but very, very true.

So, here it is. Your Game is suffering because of your ego. You speak so often of being this 'man of value' but the truth is that a real man of value would never, ever state that they are a man of value. Period. I read what you write and I think to myself, is he trying to DHV himself all the time?

You did it in your last post. You pretty much attributed the success of your friend/wing to you because you were the one to introduce him to Game. Well, sorry to say it but the truth is that his success has nothing to do with you. Sure, you led him here. You introduced him to the Community. Good for you, that means you're a good friend. But, he's the one that earned his success. He owes you nothing. And, you didn't create him. Again, I read that and think to myself: is this another DHV?

That little 'slut puppy' with 2 kids that was only a 7.5 taught you a very, very valuable lesson if you're willing to learn. To her, you are not a man of value. You didn't sell your value the right way or you don't possess it (which I HIGHLY [B][U]doubt[/U][/B]). You didn't make the relationship transaction a fair trade. She thinks she has more value than you, which is sad because women are always trying to trade 'up' (they want to be with a man that has more value as a person than they possess, this is why picking up ugs is so fucking easy).

Keep in mind that one of the most attractive dynamics a man can posses is to be high value and utterly capable of anything YET they walk around in a cloud of humility. DHVs are bullshit. If you're truly a man of value, it will bleed out in the interaction. You'll reek of value. Your walk, your tonality, your words they will SCREAM value. There's no need to DHV yourself if you are truly a man of value. The mere fact that you don't DHV is the utlimate DHV. This dynamic is why women LOVE older men, because the man understands that he doesn't have to impress a woman. He doesn't need to, he doesn't want to, he doesn't care to.

Try this. When a girl asks where you live, tell her you live in your mom's basement. When she asks what you do, tell her you're a garbage man. When she asks what you drive, say you rode the bus. When she asks where you bought your clothes, say you bought them from a bum that lives in the fashion district. Etc, etc, etc. Go Game for one solid week without DHVing yourself in any way and see how things turn out.

My guess is that you'll 'fix' your Game issue pretty quickly that way.

[Guest]

[QUOTE=Bull Run;39118]@PC

The grass is greener where the dogs shit.

Anyway, I agree with PC regarding age. I'm 31 and probably look my age. But, I've found that the older I've gotten, the easier it is to pull women. I attribute it to a lot of things, namely experience. And, women get all wet for an experienced man. A little gray in your scruffy 5 o'clock shadow can do wonders.

The LTR is a problem. This girl is 22, she's a 'gem,' and you're holding on to her. You're robbing her of the most precious commodity endowed to a woman: her beauty and youth. If you string her along, you are a thief. Period. You can easily argue that she's willingly engaging you in a relationship BUT I can tell you right now that at 22 the tables have turned on maturity. Men are much, much more mature at 22 than women are...generally speaking of course. You are the one dictating the relationship, not her.

Not to be dick, but I cringe at the things I imagine you must say to her to keep her on the hook. I know, because I'VE BEEN YOU BEFORE. The Master Manipulator, the Puppet Master.

It's only after you've lost everything that you can do anything. Lose it man, lose it. If you want the PUA lifestyle, you have to lose everything.

As for your Game, I can't really comment on what you do in the field and I only have your posts to go by but 4 years of being in the Community teaches one a lot. Experience teaches you how to read a post and understand the person. Weird I know but very, very true.

So, here it is. Your Game is suffering because of your ego. You speak so often of being this 'man of value' but the truth is that a real man of value would never, ever state that they are a man of value. Period. I read what you write and I think to myself, is he trying to DHV himself all the time?

You did it in your last post. You pretty much attributed the success of your friend/wing to you because you were the one to introduce him to Game. Well, sorry to say it but the truth is that his success has nothing to do with you. Sure, you led him here. You introduced him to the Community. Good for you, that means you're a good friend. But, he's the one that earned his success. He owes you nothing. And, you didn't create him. Again, I read that and think to myself: is this another DHV?

That little 'slut puppy' with 2 kids that was only a 7.5 taught you a very, very valuable lesson if you're willing to learn. To her, you are not a man of value. You didn't sell your value the right way or you don't possess it (which I HIGHLY [B][U]doubt[/U][/B]). You didn't make the relationship transaction a fair trade. She thinks she has more value than you, which is sad because women are always trying to trade 'up' (they want to be with a man that has more value as a person than they possess, this is why picking up ugs is so fucking easy).

Keep in mind that one of the most attractive dynamics a man can posses is to be high value and utterly capable of anything YET they walk around in a cloud of humility. DHVs are bullshit. If you're truly a man of value, it will bleed out in the interaction. You'll reek of value. Your walk, your tonality, your words they will SCREAM value. There's no need to DHV yourself if you are truly a man of value. The mere fact that you don't DHV is the utlimate DHV. This dynamic is why women LOVE older men, because the man understands that he doesn't have to impress a woman. He doesn't need to, he doesn't want to, he doesn't care to.

Try this. When a girl asks where you live, tell her you live in your mom's basement. When she asks what you do, tell her you're a garbage man. When she asks what you drive, say you rode the bus. When she asks where you bought your clothes, say you bought them from a bum that lives in the fashion district. Etc, etc, etc. Go Game for one solid week without DHVing yourself in any way and see how things turn out.

My guess is that you'll 'fix' your Game issue pretty quickly that way.[/QUOTE]



Pretty sure I owe you a motha fucking drink and shot after that post. You know what, I think you hit it right on the head. Everything.

As far as the LTR, I'm probably going to keep her. I tell her the truth like, "I'm happy, but something is missing" cuz I don't want to string her along. However she COULD be the one. I think that's a seperate issue in its self.

I accept your lesson plan, I will not DHV at all and see how that works out for me.

[Guest]

I wonder if the problem with your game is you sabotaging yourself subconsciously. We've all been there in the early days. The pressure gets intense so you eject or say something you know is beta or say something you know will blow you out just to get out of the set. Well, I wonder if you're doing the same thing because of your internal struggle balancing gaming and being in a LTR. You said at least twice that going out and gaming is what you "should be" doing. Why? Who says? That's external attribution or deflecting blame or limiting belief or societal programming. Is it what you truly want or what you think is expected of you?

Hey, maybe you [B]should be[/B] out gaming, and in that case BR is 100% right, you should liberate your LTR rather than control her like property.

On the other hand, maybe you [B]should be[/B] committing yourself to her, being the high value man you promise to her through your words but not your actions (some would say that's a form of lying, something you said you would not do because of your principles).

This is all up to you. As long as you're stuck in the middle, you'll be half-assing both of those options.

[Guest]

Sizzle......the reason you won't get older women is because they are tired of guys like you. Guys like you left a bad taste in their mouth. What is Uncle Howie talking about you ask? I'm talking about the type of guy who has a LTR of 4 years at home and wants to bang girls on the side. I'm talking about the type who will string girls a long feeding them full of their shit.

Principles my ass......... I was skeptical of you from the very first post you ever made. You blow a lot of smoke. I bet you live with her because you can't afford to make it on your own nor are you willing to take that chance! ;)