[QUOTE=Ram;39913]I have something to add here too.
All of the statistics being thrown around in this thread are probably pretty acurate. Only 33% of mariages succeed, 75% of all women are worthless slutbags, 100% of all foreign women make better wives, county girls get fat etc... Man, truthfully most guys are terrible with women(prob 70%) and don't ever get the chance to live the life we are living. And most of us were included in this majority at 1 time. That is to say we saw what we wanted, made changes to ourselves and beat the discouraging odds of the average guys success with women. Stats can validate your opinion or stance whenever you want them too. But if anyone can see what they want and simply go get it, or be in that "lucky" 33% of successful marriages it is us. What is any of our social mastery, empowerment or alphaness worth if we don't consider ourselves the exception not the rule. If the playboy lifestyle makes me happy, I'm going live it and big. If I want a happy marriage I will figure a way out to have one. Less is out of the scope our control than these beta boys who fail at marriage and fail at life.
I don't consider myself nieve and have never wanted to get married. This isn't defending one viewpoint or the other. Just saying....[/QUOTE]
I think you highly over-estimate the power of PUA "social mastery". Most in the community, as in real life, are beta males. That's because the usual course of action in finding the community is living a life a beta-tude and getting sick of it. I am not saying a beta cannot become an Alpha, I am saying most don't and most aren't.
You are right though, beta males will have a much more difficult chance of landing a good wife, or even raising their own biological children.
Simply being alpha is not enough to..
1) Ensure you wife keeps up her good looks
2) Ensure she doesn't constantly nag and have a bad attitude
3) Ensure she won't have a fling with an alpha after you let your guard down
4) Ensure she won't leave over trivial nonsense
Getting married to a nasty women will emasculate a man faster than just about anything. Women change the second they say "I do". When you marry an American broad you give up all your power, when you are powerless how will you remain alpha..
If it makes you happy to live the life of a playboy then you should live it. My point is that all the slutty bar girls are happy doing the same thing. They will never find fulfillment in life because of it. They will never have a truly happy, mutually beneficial marriage and/or life with someone. Each one of them thinks they will screw around for a few years and then settle down with a handsome, alpha Mr. right, but it will not happen for them.
Perhaps we are not so different.
Perhaps some fault lies within us as well.
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by Guest » Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:55 pm
[QUOTE=Lion;39925]I think you highly over-estimate the power of PUA "social mastery". Most in the community, as in real life, are beta males. That's because the usual course of action in finding the community is living a life a beta-tude and getting sick of it. I am not saying a beta cannot become an Alpha, I am saying most don't and most aren't.
You are right though, beta males will have a much more difficult chance of landing a good wife, or even raising their own biological children.
Simply being alpha is not enough to..
1) Ensure you wife keeps up her good looks
2) Ensure she doesn't constantly nag and have a bad attitude
3) Ensure she won't have a fling with an alpha after you let your guard down
4) Ensure she won't leave over trivial nonsense
Getting married to a nasty women will emasculate a man faster than just about anything. Women change the second they say "I do". When you marry an American broad you give up all your power, when you are powerless how will you remain alpha..
If it makes you happy to live the life of a playboy then you should live it. My point is that all the slutty bar girls are happy doing the same thing. They will never find fulfillment in life because of it. They will never have a truly happy, mutually beneficial marriage and/or life with someone. Each one of them thinks they will screw around for a few years and then settle down with a handsome, alpha Mr. right, but it will not happen for them.
Perhaps we are not so different.
Perhaps some fault lies within us as well.[/QUOTE]
Most def.
All of those things could happen to anybody in any given situation. And us being the damaged goods could be the culprit just as you stated. They healthy attitude to have going into it is that it will work out for you. I'll be the first to admit that I know zilch about a successful marriage save the fact, that I am pretty much the only person I know that came from a 2 parent home. It's all pretty discouraging. If it's too big of a risk for some people they shouldn't even consider taking it.
You are right though, beta males will have a much more difficult chance of landing a good wife, or even raising their own biological children.
Simply being alpha is not enough to..
1) Ensure you wife keeps up her good looks
2) Ensure she doesn't constantly nag and have a bad attitude
3) Ensure she won't have a fling with an alpha after you let your guard down
4) Ensure she won't leave over trivial nonsense
Getting married to a nasty women will emasculate a man faster than just about anything. Women change the second they say "I do". When you marry an American broad you give up all your power, when you are powerless how will you remain alpha..
If it makes you happy to live the life of a playboy then you should live it. My point is that all the slutty bar girls are happy doing the same thing. They will never find fulfillment in life because of it. They will never have a truly happy, mutually beneficial marriage and/or life with someone. Each one of them thinks they will screw around for a few years and then settle down with a handsome, alpha Mr. right, but it will not happen for them.
Perhaps we are not so different.
Perhaps some fault lies within us as well.[/QUOTE]
Most def.
All of those things could happen to anybody in any given situation. And us being the damaged goods could be the culprit just as you stated. They healthy attitude to have going into it is that it will work out for you. I'll be the first to admit that I know zilch about a successful marriage save the fact, that I am pretty much the only person I know that came from a 2 parent home. It's all pretty discouraging. If it's too big of a risk for some people they shouldn't even consider taking it.
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by Guest » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:08 pm
[QUOTE=Ram;39926]Most def.
All of those things could happen to anybody in any given situation. And us being the damaged goods could be the culprit just as you stated. They healthy attitude to have going into it is that it will work out for you. I'll be the first to admit that I know zilch about a successful marriage save the fact, that I am pretty much the only person I know that came from a 2 parent home. It's all pretty discouraging. If it's too big of a risk for some people they shouldn't even consider taking it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you should not go into a marriage thinking it would fail. That would just plain be stupid. The way I see it is: you have to pick someone with excellent family values and a nurturing instinct. Thus, you marry a foreign bird who comes form a country where family is still sacred and has not been infected with feminist ideology. Bam! Win-win.
Coming from a 2 parent home gives you a nice, healthy perspective on what family should be like. You probably had a mom who did mom things and a dad who did dad things and that's the way it should be.
All of those things could happen to anybody in any given situation. And us being the damaged goods could be the culprit just as you stated. They healthy attitude to have going into it is that it will work out for you. I'll be the first to admit that I know zilch about a successful marriage save the fact, that I am pretty much the only person I know that came from a 2 parent home. It's all pretty discouraging. If it's too big of a risk for some people they shouldn't even consider taking it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you should not go into a marriage thinking it would fail. That would just plain be stupid. The way I see it is: you have to pick someone with excellent family values and a nurturing instinct. Thus, you marry a foreign bird who comes form a country where family is still sacred and has not been infected with feminist ideology. Bam! Win-win.
Coming from a 2 parent home gives you a nice, healthy perspective on what family should be like. You probably had a mom who did mom things and a dad who did dad things and that's the way it should be.
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by Guest » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:11 pm
[QUOTE=Welsh_Dragon;39924]So there is no guarantee. Boo hoo. Be a man and suck it up if it fails it fails. If you both stick around through (inevitible) hard times it will have been worth it. If not c'est la vie. Plenty more fish in plentyoffish. Try to look past the illusion of guaranteed future happiness and just live life day by day. Nobody knows what will happen tomorrow. Nobody not even some of the posters on this thread (shockingly).
Also you can do what you want too (empowered by masculinism? lol) so that's 50/50, no? Other than law where is the percieved inequality? Lots of laws suck. Don't get sued. Marriage is a contract remember. Eyes wide open if you decide to take the chance.
Marriage is very closely tied to religion. That's also a good place to start looking into the whys and wherefores (if you care to). In the end do you go into everything in life knowing of 100% success in your endevours? Welcome to the real world. I bought a stock yesterday and the f*cker went down can you believe it? I want my money back.[/QUOTE]
I know there are no guarantees in life but I'm not willing to gamble my happiness when I know the odds are against me. The saying,"it is to better to have love and then lost, than to have never loved at all" is horseshit. The reality isthat most divorces are devastating to men, financially, emotionally, and physically. Most men, if given the choice, would not have gotten married. Knowing that, would you still get married? Of course not. Why put yourself through the pain?
Similar to investing, you wouldnt buy a stock if there was a high probability of the price going down (unless you are shorting it). People do hours of analysis to determine if the stock is a good choice. They take calculated risks.
Now if you want to turn away from the statistics and the reality of US marraiges, then that's your mistake. I'm sure you'll find a girl that you'll love with all your heart, and in return, she'll love you just as much. Just like in Hollywood movies. Yea, that's reality all right.
Also you can do what you want too (empowered by masculinism? lol) so that's 50/50, no? Other than law where is the percieved inequality? Lots of laws suck. Don't get sued. Marriage is a contract remember. Eyes wide open if you decide to take the chance.
Marriage is very closely tied to religion. That's also a good place to start looking into the whys and wherefores (if you care to). In the end do you go into everything in life knowing of 100% success in your endevours? Welcome to the real world. I bought a stock yesterday and the f*cker went down can you believe it? I want my money back.[/QUOTE]
I know there are no guarantees in life but I'm not willing to gamble my happiness when I know the odds are against me. The saying,"it is to better to have love and then lost, than to have never loved at all" is horseshit. The reality isthat most divorces are devastating to men, financially, emotionally, and physically. Most men, if given the choice, would not have gotten married. Knowing that, would you still get married? Of course not. Why put yourself through the pain?
Similar to investing, you wouldnt buy a stock if there was a high probability of the price going down (unless you are shorting it). People do hours of analysis to determine if the stock is a good choice. They take calculated risks.
Now if you want to turn away from the statistics and the reality of US marraiges, then that's your mistake. I'm sure you'll find a girl that you'll love with all your heart, and in return, she'll love you just as much. Just like in Hollywood movies. Yea, that's reality all right.
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by Guest » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:14 pm
[QUOTE=Prodigy;39928]I know there are no guarantees in life, I'm not the dumbass you paint me to be. I'm not willing to gamble my happiness when I know the odds are against me.
Similar to investing, you wouldnt buy a stock if there was a high probability of the price going down (unless you are shorting it). People do hours of analysis to determine if the stock is a good choice. They take calculated risks.
Now if you want to turn away from the statistics and the reality of US marraiges, then that's your mistake. I'm sure you'll find a girl that you'll love with all your heart, and in return, she'll love you just as much. Just like in Hollywood movies. Yea, that's reality all right.[/QUOTE]
Hey buddy I never painted you as a dumbass. Why so defensive?
Statistics mean nothing to me. My belief 100% is you can be married and make it work for you and be happy. Sorry if that doesn't ride with your philosophy.
And if you were shorting a stock thinking it will go down you would actually be selling not buying (until you cover).
[QUOTE=Prodigy;39928]"The saying,"it is to better to have love and then lost, than to have never loved at all" is horseshit.[/QUOTE]
Correct. It is also not better to have entered into a contract and lost than not entered into it at all. That's just common sense. But you don't know ahead of time.
Similar to investing, you wouldnt buy a stock if there was a high probability of the price going down (unless you are shorting it). People do hours of analysis to determine if the stock is a good choice. They take calculated risks.
Now if you want to turn away from the statistics and the reality of US marraiges, then that's your mistake. I'm sure you'll find a girl that you'll love with all your heart, and in return, she'll love you just as much. Just like in Hollywood movies. Yea, that's reality all right.[/QUOTE]
Hey buddy I never painted you as a dumbass. Why so defensive?
Statistics mean nothing to me. My belief 100% is you can be married and make it work for you and be happy. Sorry if that doesn't ride with your philosophy.
And if you were shorting a stock thinking it will go down you would actually be selling not buying (until you cover).
[QUOTE=Prodigy;39928]"The saying,"it is to better to have love and then lost, than to have never loved at all" is horseshit.[/QUOTE]
Correct. It is also not better to have entered into a contract and lost than not entered into it at all. That's just common sense. But you don't know ahead of time.
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by Guest » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:26 pm
[QUOTE=Welsh_Dragon;39929]Hey buddy I never painted you as a dumbass. Why so defensive?
Statistics mean nothing to me. My belief 100% is you can be married and make it work for you and be happy. Sorry if that doesn't ride with your philosophy.[/QUOTE]
our perception of marriage is clearl different. Remember, marriage is a two way street and the man can only do so much to make it work...
Statistics mean nothing to me. My belief 100% is you can be married and make it work for you and be happy. Sorry if that doesn't ride with your philosophy.[/QUOTE]
our perception of marriage is clearl different. Remember, marriage is a two way street and the man can only do so much to make it work...
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by Guest » Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:28 pm
[QUOTE=Prodigy;39933]our perception of marriage is clearl different. Remember, marriage is a two way street and the man can only do so much to make it work...[/QUOTE]
Thank you. I have a very good understanding of what it takes to make a marriage work. The same is also true of the woman.
Thank you. I have a very good understanding of what it takes to make a marriage work. The same is also true of the woman.
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