First Day Game* # Close

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The * stands for in a long time.

I got my first day game number close in a while. I was actually going post up on how I punked out on it last week. Let me set it up for you guys.

I own a business, so I am constantly running errands during the day, I pop into my bank every now and then and I've seen this girl before. I think to myself she's cute but nothing more, she's at work. Anyway, about 6 weeks ago, she helps me out (out of her way, too, she usually works in the drive thru) and compliments me on my attire (I was dressed up quite nicely) and I told her "Oh thank you, I'm going to be auctioned off today for a charity" (this line is gold, but especially for what I do) so we chat for a bit.

I don't come in for about another month or so, and she gives me attitude "Why are you wearing your sunglasses inside, blah blah blah" so I give her attitude back. I told her that I am going to MAKE her be my teller for giving me attitude. We chit chat she asks about the auction, blah blah blah. I felt like I should have number closed... but I didn't. She looked sad. That was last thursday.

Today I waltz in with a genuine problem, I have no ID, no wallet, nothing and I need access to my bank. I told her I went to the other Bank of America and they wouldn't help me because I didn't have any form of ID. So I was hoping that maybe she was working since she knew me (and some of the ppl that work there) and could help me out.

Well, she's there and I think word must have got around that she likes me because everybody was really catering and kind of gave us our own space. Or maybe they were working, fuck it. So I just tell some jokes , make her laugh, etc. I playfully teased her and at the end I got the number close. I got her co-workers number last thurs (cool dude) and she said she heard I got his number and asked why I didn't invite HER out for drinks. I playfully teased her and decided to go for the number close later, to not look AFC.

She helps me out and then....

*all w/ playful body language and tone*
Sizzle: You know what, your first impression kind of sucked.
HB 8: Wow, did you really just say that?
Sizzle: Yeah, I did, but now that I've got to know you a little bit, you seem KINDA/SORTA cool.
HB 8: Is that so?
Sizzle: Put your number in my phone.
HB 8 complies.

Now my questions are: I typically go indirect, but this girl knows I make a good living (she's my teller), she's seen my pre-selection, I've got a business right down her by her office, and I've got it for the frame where it's more like she's chasing me (she was asking me all the questions).

What would be the best way to play this out? Or am I just thinking things thru too much? (I tend to do that) Either way, score!

[Guest]

You already have the digits, you already know she likes you, now you go direct.

Be bold. Be confident. Call her or text her, say "I'm taking you out for a drink tonight", or whatever it is that you want to do.

On a side note: There are some ok looking gals at my bank but I would be very cautious about dating them. After I ride out of town the same way I rode in, and take their hearts with me, they are still privy to my sensitive information. Who knows what kind of jazz can go down.

Good luck.

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Okay, so I've been running text game. Sticking with what works, remember, only try new material on the 7's. (Or at least this is my thought in the initial attraction stage)

Looking back, I should have negged WAYYY less , and been more direct. "Go DI-RECT nigga "I remember reading on here ( I wanna say by Ram)

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SIZZLE:So I met this totally conservative teller today, kinda weird at first but ended up being kinda sorta cool. I got her # but what should I say? ;)

HB: tell her that it was very nice to meet her :) glad to know im sorta cool! thaanks!! hope you had a good day.

SIZZLE: Very nice to meet you ;) thank you for your help today, u saved my ass. I just got to my toys for tots charity event so I will ttyl. Have fun in bible study!

HB: haha im actually in class but will do! and no problem my pleasure :)) enjoy the charity event!![/QUOTE]

Call back humor, light hearted, and DHV, that was the same day I got her #

Now the next day. One of my fav ping texts, by the way

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SIZZLE: Just when I was starting to think the world sucked, Mambo #5 comes on the radio. And that doesn't happen in a world that sucks :)

HB: haha if I remember correctly that song is super old! but great!

SIZZLE: You just don't know, Lou Vega is having a comeback! Hows work? Shut down any orphanages today? >=]

HB: HAA you're right I dont! bu wow I don't get that question everyday, I have not.... because I'm off today. :) and how's your morning boss man?

//filler

SIZZLE: Thanks to YOU, I get to pay for lunch and not be a loser, you rock..... sometimes

hb: oh neat! glad it went well fingers crossed!! and you're welcome... I rock alll the time btw

SIZZLE: Talk a big game eh? We'll C if u can keep up >=] tell me how u "rock", tell me about urself. I'm trying to fig. out if ur another typical Dallas girl or not ;)

hb: ha no games here just stating facts! and I'd like to believe im far from a typical Dallas girl... yuck. haha but about me? so much to txt

sizzle: Typical Dallas girl answer! ;)

hb: ouchhh

Sizzle: Aww, you're cute when you're upset >=] ill play nice just don't tattle tell on me

[B]9 hours later[/B]

never! but who exactly would I tell?
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I realize I'm negging too hard, so I go into a more di-rect mindset. (never done direct mentality)

Here's the next day, yet another one of my AWESOME ping texts that work all the time.

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SIZZLE: I don't know which I'm more excited for: the McRib being back or Miley Cyrus turning 18 last week....

HB: haha niether! especially not for Miley Cyrus

SIZZLE: So, BASICALLY, you're saying I have a shot w/ Miley?!?!?

HB: yes but you can do much better!

SIZZLE: Agreed, who'd you have mind mind?

HB: ohhh no one specfic.... yet

SIZZLE: Oh that's too bad, there's a girl that just flew into my radar, she *might* be fun, we'll see ;)

HB: oh yeah? well lucky you! so whats your definition of fun
// filler

SIZZLE: .... I guess I got the wrong impression(s) about you. When I'm not slammed with work, ill break my rule and let you take me out for drinks.

HB: oh me take you out for drinks? uh uh I think its the other way around.. if youre lucky

SIZZLE: You're the lucky one, you thought this was just my phone #, but this is a loterry ticket girl ;)

hb: show me the $$$ [B](at first this kinda put me off, she kinda got access to my accts so she sees what im working with... )[/B]

SIZZLE: Sorry Jerry Maguire, the lottery ticket can only be cashed w/ my consent. You're not there yet, but I may be kinda/sorta rooting for you. I'll never tell. I just got home, time to feed the kids!

HB: ha oh you dont have to tell...i know! but I'll take it! so kids.. are we talking animals?

//I send me pics of my extra cute dogs, wins em over every time.
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I had more success this time, I negged a WHOLE lot less, went more DI-RECT.

Last night I work the frame that I'm crazy busy today to set this up

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SIZZLE: Ugh, I've had the LONGEST day today. The only way I can relax is by having a drink.

HB: has it at least been a good long day? and yes a drink sounds fantastic!

*I accidently responded too fast, stupid new phone! but fuck it*

SIZZLE: Well I'm getting paid so that's never a bad thing! You should meet me after work for an adult beverage. What time you get off? I *should* be done by 6ish

HB: oh never! I would but i have a dinner date then drinks with a gf of mine this evening!

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[Guest]

I get the feeling that you're negging a little too hard and are taking too much time to just pony up and meet her out. Also, I think you may be DHVing a little too much.

If she knows the money in your account and what you do, then you don't need to DHV any longer. You're past that point.

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;38769]I get the feeling that you're negging a little too hard and are taking too much time to just pony up and meet her out. Also, I think you may be DHVing a little too much.

If she knows the money in your account and what you do, then you don't need to DHV any longer. You're past that point.[/QUOTE]

Hey BR,

As always, you hit the nail on the head. I typically go more indirect, I needed to go more direct on this one.

My response to any shut down texts are typically something along the lines of "no biggie "and act like nothing ever happened.

Now my question is, my typical game, i would try and build more comfort/attraction thru text and then under-radar bring up to topic of meeting! What would be the best course of action to try and schedule another meetup?

Also, side question -- In her response, she's got a "dinner date", shit test? My plan is to just ignore it, of course, just wondering the thoughts of the brethren.

[Guest]

I don't think it's a shit test. She has plans. That's it.

[Guest]

Personally, I respond shut down texts with nothing. No response, no volley, nothing.

Rhody's right. No shit test, she has plans. If she really had a date with a guy she wouldn't tell you about it. Women tend to keep that stuff pretty close to the vest.

[Guest]

So, what's the best way to schedule a meetup with this?

I was direct in getting the number close, and I've been negging less on my texts, and being more direct.

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//telling her about my night, in a funny context on how we survived a "terrorist" attack last night cuz a transformer blew up @ the bar we were at

HB: I bet! that's pretty frightening and you what's funny I saw what I think was a shooting star just last night

SIZZLE: So Did I! Did u make a wish?I did! I wished for a kinda/sorta cool girl I met last week to meet me for drinks this week. She's busy, but what are YOU doing? ;)

*2 mins pass*
HB: I did not I was so amazed by it I forgot!! ha I'll be her replacement no worries, I just can't do tuesday.

*take this as a huge IOI, but wait 15 mins to not seem needy**

SIZZLE: I got wed at 7:30 or fri at 7:30, which one works best?
9 hours
No answer.
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This was 9 hours ago. I know everyone is "don't be outcome dependent" and what not, and I get the concept, but I'm wondering if I did anything wrong? She text me 2 nights ago at 11 PM after she declined my offer to go out to see "how are those vodka cranberries?" and we just did banter texting for about an hour or so, nothing good.

So she gives me IOIs, responds super quickly, and then goes cold for a few hours. Am I doing something wrong or this cat-string theory at it's best? (on her part)

Also, how should I "punish" this type of behavior?

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[QUOTE=Sizzle;38786]So, what's the best way to schedule a meetup with this?

I was direct in getting the number close, and I've been negging less on my texts, and being more direct.



This was 9 hours ago. I know everyone is "don't be outcome dependent" and what not, and I get the concept, but I'm wondering if I did anything wrong? She text me 2 nights ago at 11 PM after she declined my offer to go out to see "how are those vodka cranberries?" and we just did banter texting for about an hour or so, nothing good.

So she gives me IOIs, responds super quickly, and then goes cold for a few hours. Am I doing something wrong or this cat-string theory at it's best? (on her part)

Also, how should I "punish" this type of behavior?[/QUOTE]


I am currently experimenting with going AFC/BETA in texts. I used to have all these rules in place, and I will admit they seemed to work, however I am writing new ones.

So just as an example. With the current girl I am texting I started asking myself what would a Beta do here. And then I did that. So I didn't offer the girl a couple times. I instead asked her when was she available. Guess what a girl who has interest in seeing you going to do. She is going to check her schedule and let you know when she is free. If this works with your schedule great, if not whatever.

There is no doubt the guidelines you hear about in text game are there for a reason. Many guys just bend over backwards and make all the wrong moves, acting overly beta etc. I am not condoning these bad moves, or preaching them.

I look around and I see these guys who are on paper, beta, they look beta, and from what I can tell have beta mannerisms. Then I look at the girl on their arm and I say Fuck, if that guy can get her I should be dating a super model. So what are these guys doing? How are they getting the girl out? I guarantee they have many bad maneuvers and do things we would cringe at. But they still have the girl out with them.

We have so many gay texting rules in place that we live by. I really believe you don't need any rules in text game. Throw them out the window. A true alpha would never live by any rule other than the one which he thinks makes the most sense. You wanna text back to a shut down text? Do it. You wanna text back quicker than she is texting you back. Do it. You want to write more than she does? Do it.

It matters not.

[Guest]

PC, I’m going to have to disagree with most of what you say here.

While it is true that we have too may rules and tend to overanalyze every response we send to a girl, these rules are merely guidelines that have been proven to be effective. If they weren’t, we wouldn't use them.

Just as any other “rule” of the game, there are exceptions; it’s not always black and white. PU is as much a science as it is an art. You have to be able to pick up on the situational nuances and respond accordingly – and sometimes, you’ll have to break a rule or two. Sometimes going AFC is what works (for example, vulnerability game).

Sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut and sometimes a man bites a dog, but as I said before, there are exceptions to every rule.

“Beta” males with attractive women is an entirely different topic of discussion. However, I will say this: it’s not about what you (or the outside world) view as alpha, it is what the female (his gf) views as alpha. Sure, there is a general consensus of what an alpha male is, but, as with any other gray definition, people interpret them differently. Who knows, maybe he possess many qualities that she defines as alpha, while most perceive them as beta. Or, maybe she is tired of dating alpha males who treat her like crap and cheat on her and is looking for a beta provider. Often times, assumptions made when you only have a snapshot into one’s relationship is inaccurate.

Ultimately it comes down to one thing, female interest. If she likes you and is interested, you can be beta and get away with it. Why? Because she likes you. She is willing to overlook a few missteps and flaws because the overall package is still a good one, nonetheless. Just as how some men will (still) date a girl, even though she doesn’t have perfect skin, nails, hair, style, etc...

[Take note of a caveat though, if you are beta too often, then she’ll start thinking of you as one, and we all know how that turns out]

I will leave ending on this note, adhere to the fundamental rules of the game (including text game) because they work. If they didn’t, none of us would be here. But remember, PU is an art that requires you to hone on into the minute details and you may break a "rule" every now and then. Every rule has exceptions and PU is no different.