Telling them the truth.

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[QUOTE=Carnal;38650]So who here has actually managed a harem before?

I would REALLY like to pick the brains of individuals who have had [I]first hand experience[/I] with harems, not someone who has had some success with women and believes that is experience enough to start giving out advice.

It would also be beneficial for me to engage intellectually with someone experienced with this rather than someone who breaks down the way I wrote up my post without giving any firsthand knowledge.

The contents of my post is not a solid representation of who I am, it was simply a reflection of the state of mind that I was in at the time I wrote it. For those of you who may be reading into this statement please don't assume that I'm qualifying myself here, I'm merely discussing... there's a difference.[/QUOTE]


Hey man, I think you got exactly what you're asking for...I know for a fact that I've managed harems. PC has managed them, Prodigy is currently managing one (or at the very least, juggling one), I'm pretty sure Lion and UncleHOwie have as well.

So, you got relatively specific advice from guys that have been there.

Without giving numbers or credentials, which is cheesy and pompuous, I know HOW to do it. And, honestly, it takes A LOT of work and A LOT of lying by omission and even some straight up blatant lies (although, like PC, I tried to stay away from that as much as possible) and A LOT of framing/manipulating and A LOT of sacrifice (you have to make time for them so you lose time to focus on your hobbies, time to work out, time to hang with your friends, and time to just sit around and do absolutely nothing)...oh and nothing is free in life, I blew through a windfall bonus/severance package that I received about 5 years ago over the span of a year managing a gaggle of various women.

When you have success with some women it starts to bleed into success with more women. When you're getting involved in PU for the first time and you're hungry and have any level of compentency and devote enough time to the art it's virtually impossible to NOT inadvertently build a harem. I have no doubt that most on here have a ton of experience dealing with harems and with juggling multiple women. And, I think you got a lot of that wisdom you were seeking out.

Understand, you asked a general question. How do I build harems? And, you got general answers. Now, if you have specific questions, we can all chime in and you can take whatever advice you think is best given each scenario/situtation.

If I asked, how does Pick-Up work, then I'm going to get a bunch of general, random responses. Nothing too specific and probably nothing too useful to put into practice...a starting point, sure, but not the specifics I'll need to effectively do it.

[QUOTE=Carnal;38650]I stated that I am outcome dependant. I'm looking for a way to go about this so that I don't push away girls that I could've easily kept around if I gamed them differently.

I want to talk about outcome dependancy for a minute.
Name one guy that does not build temporary inflated ego and confidence from fucking hot chics and I will name 10 that do.
Isn't Everyone outcome dependant to a certain extent? Isn't that why some people choose to go to college, so they can be successful and increase their chances of attracting a high value mate.
Isn't that why people add or remove certain qualities, too or from our repertoire soo that we will appear more attractive.
If your style sucks, you strengthen it, because you are outcome dependant.
If you're fat, you workout to loose weight/gain muscle because you're outcome dependant.
Changing anything about yourself to become more attractive is changing who you are because you want to attract a chic and keep her, hence being outcome dependant.[/QUOTE]


There's a difference between being dependent on an outcome and simply wanting something better or more. When you're entire life and personae becomes dependent on losing weight you begin to engage in destructive activities. The idea is to acknowledge that you're doing this to become a better man but to also understand that shedding some pounds and having a rocking body isn't going to define you as a person.

That's what outcome independence means: not letting the outcome of your endeavors define you as a man. If you bang an HB10, GREAT!!! Good for you. But, so what? You're still a fucking stud and a great man no matter if you nailed her or not. Enjoy the accomplishment, sure, but it doesn't make you you.

[QUOTE=Carnal;38650]Its easy enough to state: "if the girl isn't down, she is gone.'' This is not a helpful statement at all. Its an obvious statement. What I'm interested in is keeping the majority of them around.[/QUOTE]

Actually, the statement may not be helpful but the mentality of the man that believes this way and acts as such is absolutely helpful. You want to build a harem and keep it? Then, you have to get them to buy into your reality. If she's not down for that, then she'll never be eligible to be a part of YOUR harem...so, you HAVE to decide to just work on her OR next her for the sake of your harem.

[QUOTE=Carnal;38650]The primary thing I am trying to work out is sustaining the same group. But I've never been able to manage that. When I've told girls in the past that I was seeing other chics, they either chase me hard core or they walk.[/QUOTE]

From my perspective, you got the answer to this you were seeking. I said it, PC said it, UncleHOwie agreed to it, and Lion said it.

If you want something more specific, by all means, we're all ears...

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I think Carnal is on one page and everyone else is on the other page. I think he means a literal harem, not MLTR's.

The only way to have a real Harem is to be an incredibly high status male. Like a prince or some other type of bigwig. Women who are part of a harem get paid for it. That's their job.

MLTR's are different. That's where you have several women around whom you see on a regular basis. They all know you aren't only seeing them. Some can live with it, some want more and will walk. That's why you don't, can't give a shit. When one walks you replace her. Easy as pie. When these women run into each other they are extremely catty and it isn't uncommon for fights to break out. Good luck getting these girls to hang out with each other.

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[QUOTE=Lion;38661]I think Carnal is on one page and everyone else is on the other page. I think he means a literal harem, not MLTR's.

The only way to have a real Harem is to be an incredibly high status male. Like a prince or some other type of bigwig. Women who are part of a harem get paid for it. That's their job.

MLTR's are different. That's where you have several women around whom you see on a regular basis. They all know you aren't only seeing them. Some can live with it, some want more and will walk. That's why you don't, can't give a shit. When one walks you replace her. Easy as pie. When these women run into each other they are extremely catty and it isn't uncommon for fights to break out. Good luck getting these girls to hang out with each other.[/QUOTE]


You got it Lion! I'm talking about say 3 or more women at a time. Like when I go to bed at night I want a woman on the left and another on the right...

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BR, I appreciate your insight. My 2nd to last post was not meant to attack anyone.

If everything I need to know has already been written...then I've recieved all the advice you guys have to offer. Right?

It's up to me now to form my own conclusions from experience.
I'm not going to perform a social scientific experiment or anything.
I simply just got out of a relationship and basically don't want to get involved in another one right away.
Instead I want to explode what I've never mastered before. And go deeper than scratching around on the surface.
If a man never goes to the deepest depths of darkness then he will have limited insight of the rewards once he reaches for the light again.

One sees great things from the valley and only small things from the peak.

"My goal is simple, it is complete understanding of the universe, why it's as it is and why it exists at all." Stephen Hawking

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[QUOTE=Carnal;38662]You got it Lion! I'm talking about say 3 or more women at a time. Like when I go to bed at night I want a woman on the left and another on the right...[/QUOTE]

I would be very impressed if someone pulled this off who wasn't famous or super rich. Like Lion said the women are getting paid basically.

I just don't see too many girls sticking around for this long term. You might get lucky and find a couple girls who are down with this for a short period of time. Time is not on your side though and more than likely this will evaporate.

Please let us know if you master this though as I would be very curious to hear about it.

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[QUOTE=Carnal;38663]BR, I appreciate your insight. My 2nd to last post was not meant to attack anyone.

If everything I need to know has already been written...then I've recieved all the advice you guys have to offer. Right?[/QUOTE]


Much like Lion, I was working off of the idea of mLTRs. A harem is totally different, even though I did use that word 'harem' (my bad, words mean things in this world...).

Anyway, I agree with Lion: women in harems are in harems because it is their JOB, not necessarily a lifestyle.

Good luck. If you pull it off, let us know your methods...

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I am going to make this my main focus. Since I am starting with a clean slate, I dont have any current chics that would be obstacles to work around. I'm thinking there will be a necessity for the use of Leverage amongst many things to make this work but I really dont know. We shall see!

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Carnal-

There are basically two types of girls who would be willing to participate in your fantasy. Those two types both come from the "really fucked up" chic family.

The first type are basically paid. They like money and fame more than they like dick. But they will gladly fuck you for your money no doubt. You will have to lure them with your rockstar status, fat bank account, fancy boat, Gulfstream V, or your free nose candy! Probably all of it! ;)

I dated a girl who used to be one of these types. She told me all about what it was like growing up in the South Florida club scene as an ultimate party girl. She "dated" random guys that would call her up at a moments notice and want her to jump on their private jet so they could fly off to some tropical destination for the weekend. There were always more girls than guys. There was plenty of drugs/alcohol to go around. She told me about all the different drugs she took and the effects they had. Several of these guys even got these girls their own credit cards to keep them around. She told me after a while she realized these guys were just using her and realized how destructive that lifestyle was to her mental well being.

The other type that would be down for this are the types who have a laundry list of personal issues.

Here are the traits to look for in these types:

-Can't pay bills
-low self esteem, insecure
-Share a shitty apartment and still can't pay bills
-Don't have custody of their kids.
-Their cell phone provider will be METRO PCS.
-They know every guy at their neighborhood bar.
-They are bisexual.
-At some point worked at a strip club or still do.
-Come from divorced and broken families.
-Barely made it thru highschool.
-They'll have big dreams but no clue how to achieve them.
-live life day to day never looking further down the road
-drug/alcohol dependencies
-on antidepressant/sleeping pills
-domestic violence
-somewhere in the picture there will be some guy she knows that pays for her car and or cellphone bill if she doesn't.

Money can buy you anything you want in this country but happiness. So if you are short on ca$h then I'd get good at strip club game. Strip clubs are a target rich environment for the type of girl that is down for what you are seeking. These girls are professional party'ers who are very comfortable at getting naked. Be careful what you wish for.

You'll need about 10 girls total so you'll have 3 in your hand at all times. It will be a constant revolving door of bitches. None will stay long. Women just aren't programmed this way. You will eventually have to provide them with love or money. Your super cock won't be enough.

I've never exactly pulled off what you are embarking on but myself and a few others have spent enough time in this arena to know what its all about. You won't have a life outside of women. Your phone will ring all the time and you'll have to be pimpin these ho's all the time too. Right before the bars close on Friday and Saturday nights get ready for your phone to blow up. Hopefully you wont be in bed with any of your other girls when it does.....it not the most comfortable feeling when your fone keeps ringing and ringing and you are in bed with some other chic(s). Girls have super sonic radar and can read your caller id from clear across the bed.

And I don't recommend being 100pct up front with them on the situation. You'll have to pick and choose what you can and can't say then remember all the lies you told. Just keeping up with all the bs will be mentally exhausting not to mention the time investment it will take.

And once you accomplish this great feat, you'll look back on it and ask yourself "what was the big deal about all that shit".

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[QUOTE=UncleHOwie;38674]Carnal-

There are basically two types of girls who would be willing to participate in your fantasy. Those two types both come from the "really fucked up" chic family.

The first type are basically paid. They like money and fame more than they like dick. But they will gladly fuck you for your money no doubt. You will have to lure them with your rockstar status, fat bank account, fancy boat, Gulfstream V, or your free nose candy! Probably all of it! ;)

I dated a girl who used to be one of these types. She told me all about what it was like growing up in the South Florida club scene as an ultimate party girl. She "dated" random guys that would call her up at a moments notice and want her to jump on their private jet so they could fly off to some tropical destination for the weekend. There were always more girls than guys. There was plenty of drugs/alcohol to go around. She told me about all the different drugs she took and the effects they had. Several of these guys even got these girls their own credit cards to keep them around. She told me after a while she realized these guys were just using her and realized how destructive that lifestyle was to her mental well being.

The other type that would be down for this are the types who have a laundry list of personal issues.

Here are the traits to look for in these types:

-Can't pay bills
-low self esteem, insecure
-Share a shitty apartment and still can't pay bills
-Don't have custody of their kids.
-Their cell phone provider will be METRO PCS.
-They know every guy at their neighborhood bar.
-They are bisexual.
-At some point worked at a strip club or still do.
-Come from divorced and broken families.
-Barely made it thru highschool.
-They'll have big dreams but no clue how to achieve them.
-live life day to day never looking further down the road
-drug/alcohol dependencies
-on antidepressant/sleeping pills
-domestic violence
-somewhere in the picture there will be some guy she knows that pays for her car and or cellphone bill if she doesn't.

Money can buy you anything you want in this country but happiness. So if you are short on ca$h then I'd get good at strip club game. Strip clubs are a target rich environment for the type of girl that is down for what you are seeking. These girls are professional party'ers who are very comfortable at getting naked. Be careful what you wish for.

You'll need about 10 girls total so you'll have 3 in your hand at all times. It will be a constant revolving door of bitches. None will stay long. Women just aren't programmed this way. You will eventually have to provide them with love or money. Your super cock won't be enough.

I've never exactly pulled off what you are embarking on but myself and a few others have spent enough time in this arena to know what its all about. You won't have a life outside of women. Your phone will ring all the time and you'll have to be pimpin these ho's all the time too. Right before the bars close on Friday and Saturday nights get ready for your phone to blow up. Hopefully you wont be in bed with any of your other girls when it does.....it not the most comfortable feeling when your fone keeps ringing and ringing and you are in bed with some other chic(s). Girls have super sonic radar and can read your caller id from clear across the bed.

And I don't recommend being 100pct up front with them on the situation. You'll have to pick and choose what you can and can't say then remember all the lies you told. Just keeping up with all the bs will be mentally exhausting not to mention the time investment it will take.

And once you accomplish this great feat, you'll look back on it and ask yourself "what was the big deal about all that shit".[/QUOTE]


Hmm... I'm beginning to think that this IS going to be alot of work! I didnt really consider all of the ends and outs. I just figured I could convince some girls to hook up and we could all get along! Im sure I will loose all the good girls by pursuing this harem game stuff and the more I have been thinking about it I'm not sure its worth it. It would be nice if chics carried a "I'm down for group sex with you" sign around their neck. I'm aware that a woman gives sexual pleasure for more than just the gratification of the act. Im am unaware how to convince women to partake in an orgy with me and do it for the gratification of the act and the thinking about the mere effort of it all sounds both extremely intriguing as well as highly exhausting. I need to take a nap now.

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[QUOTE=Carnal;38675]Hmm... I'm beginning to think that this IS going to be alot of work! I didnt really consider all of the ends and outs. I just figured I could convince some girls to hook up and we could all get along! Im sure I will loose all the good girls by pursuing this harem game stuff and the more I have been thinking about it I'm not sure its worth it. It would be nice if chics carried a "I'm down for group sex with you" sign around their neck. I'm aware that a woman gives sexual pleasure for more than just the gratification of the act. Im am unaware how to convince women to partake in an orgy with me and do it for the gratification of the act and the thinking about the mere effort of it all sounds both extremely intriguing as well as highly exhausting. I need to take a nap now.[/QUOTE]


Hey man, it's very possible to find a girl that is willing to engage in orgies and threesomes. I've dated a few. As a matter of fact, a couple of them urged me to post a profile on AdultFriendFinder for that purpose alone...and, it did work. Also, I've been with women that actively pushed me to open other girls that they felt were attractive in the hopes that she could have a threesome with her.

Some women are absolutely predisposed to be down for this type of thing.

But, it comes at a cost. UncleHOwie is right on his critique. Strippers are prime for this type of thing because they're around sex all the time AND I've never meet a 'well-adjusted' stripper before. Never. Shit, check out Natalie Portman's character in the movie Closer (I recommend watching to at least check out her cute, little, tight body of hers). Anyway, she has serious issues and it shows. But, issues are manageable.

The other type of girl that's down for this type of thing is the high testosterone girl. She may or may not have more manly features: deep brow ridge, pointy chin, etc. That all depends on when her test kicked in, if at a young age then she'll show more manly signs. For sure though, if she has an overly large clit, then she'll most definitely be more sexually aggresive and willing to push the envelope a bit.

I think it can be done so you should try to do it...personally, I've only had threesomes and orgies within the confines of an LTR. I'm not sure I could be with a woman that wasn't open to that sort of thing.