Watching today's news, it's insane how close we are, and people don't actually realize it.
The North Korean dictator is handing over power to his son...
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Today, this KID, as the new leader of North Korea, shelled a South Korean island killing 2 soldiers and wounding 15 civilians.
In March, the North sunk a South Korean submarine.
South Korea is boiling mad and pissed off, and rightfully so. They want to fight back. The only reason they haven't yet is because of the international pressure to do nothing...
We have a boatload of troops in Korea. We have a treaty with the South Koreans that we will defend them if they are attacked.
Likewise, Japan and Taiwan are defended by the Americans.
The Korean War ended because the Chinese entered the war on the side of the North, and we couldn't hold off the waves of Chinese.
If the North and the South fight again, it's almost inevitable that the Americans and Chinese will be dragged in to fighting at least a major localized war that encompasses most of the Asian Pacific. We are talking Iraq times 100.
All of this stuff can be averted if N and S Korea don't spark the fumes. Chances are, cooler heads will prevail.
But I'd say there's about a 20 percent probability that S Korea says "we've had enough!" and we're in a major, major war a couple months from now... the magnitude of which is just crazy.
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by Guest » Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:18 pm
Too bad the market didn't take a leg up like I wanted it to. As you have noticed in the last few days since that conversation we had, the market has had some down days. I should probably go ahead and step in and make some shorts. If shit like this really happens the market will clearly tank.
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by Guest » Tue Nov 23, 2010 9:33 pm
[QUOTE=playercool;38517]Too bad the market didn't take a leg up like I wanted it to. As you have noticed in the last few days since that conversation we had, the market has had some down days. I should probably go ahead and step in and make some shorts. If shit like this really happens the market will clearly tank.[/QUOTE]
EVERYTHING will tank. And we'll all be called upon to 'serve our country.'
North Korea is dangerous because they are desperate. They have absolutely nothing to lose because they have just about nothing...GDP per person in that country is estimated at $4,800. Yet, they have about 9.5mm people involved in the armed forces in some way, many active. Their technology isn't state of the art, but it isn't laughable either...the country's primary export is ballistic missiles.
A brainwashed citizenry, with nothing to lose, focused on war and warcraft, nuclearized army, and a chip on their shoulder equals bad news.
Add in the fact that the U.S. has a Commander in Chief that is weak and reactionary and that the rest of the world will avoid conflict at all costs until they wake up and there's nothing left.
Worse news.
I'm not the biggest fan of G.W. but, some of the things he said were true...the Axis of Evil: Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. Everyone laughed, I just hope G.W. doesn't get the last one on this subject.
I say nuke 'em and move on.
If war does break out, I don't think China will support North Korea. At least for the time being, the U.S. and our obsession to consume are making China rich. War puts that wealth and power in danger...the Chinese are long-term thinkers. They'll throw North Korea under the bus to ensure that they continue to march down the path of world domination.
EVERYTHING will tank. And we'll all be called upon to 'serve our country.'
North Korea is dangerous because they are desperate. They have absolutely nothing to lose because they have just about nothing...GDP per person in that country is estimated at $4,800. Yet, they have about 9.5mm people involved in the armed forces in some way, many active. Their technology isn't state of the art, but it isn't laughable either...the country's primary export is ballistic missiles.
A brainwashed citizenry, with nothing to lose, focused on war and warcraft, nuclearized army, and a chip on their shoulder equals bad news.
Add in the fact that the U.S. has a Commander in Chief that is weak and reactionary and that the rest of the world will avoid conflict at all costs until they wake up and there's nothing left.
Worse news.
I'm not the biggest fan of G.W. but, some of the things he said were true...the Axis of Evil: Iraq, Iran, and North Korea. Everyone laughed, I just hope G.W. doesn't get the last one on this subject.
I say nuke 'em and move on.
If war does break out, I don't think China will support North Korea. At least for the time being, the U.S. and our obsession to consume are making China rich. War puts that wealth and power in danger...the Chinese are long-term thinkers. They'll throw North Korea under the bus to ensure that they continue to march down the path of world domination.
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by Guest » Tue Nov 23, 2010 10:11 pm
Let's hope that china doesn't support north korea. There is no way we can win against them. They own us, with how much money we owe them, and the fact that they have so many people to use for cannon fodder, whoevers side china is on will inevatable win.
Hopefully no one uses nukes, that can spell the beginning of the end of mankind. We will kill each other until there is nothing left. Supposedly n korea doesn't have the tech to launch a nuclear missle into another country, hopefully that's true.
See, with the brink of WWIII and armageddon, talking to a few sluts doesn't seem so hard, eh?
Oh ya, and I forgot to add, it is all up to south korea, if they go to war, we will back them up. So if they go to war, the u.s. goes to war. Too bad we wasted so much money and resources on pointless wars in iraq and afganistan.
Hopefully no one uses nukes, that can spell the beginning of the end of mankind. We will kill each other until there is nothing left. Supposedly n korea doesn't have the tech to launch a nuclear missle into another country, hopefully that's true.
See, with the brink of WWIII and armageddon, talking to a few sluts doesn't seem so hard, eh?
Oh ya, and I forgot to add, it is all up to south korea, if they go to war, we will back them up. So if they go to war, the u.s. goes to war. Too bad we wasted so much money and resources on pointless wars in iraq and afganistan.
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by Guest » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:03 pm
We fought Japan in WW2. When we won that war, our military presence basically stayed put in the Asian Pacific.
It had to.
Since we took out Japan's guns, we had to step in to counter-balance China's influence in the region.
The original Korean War was an extension of that. Japan and the Asian Tiger countries were under the American umbrella, and the rest were under China's.
Today's Korean conflict, from our point of view, is an extension of that. We have basically three choices.
1. Keep propping up S Korea and Japan, hope the status quo stalemate with China and Chinese satellite N Korea continues.
2. Re-militarize Japan, and hope they don't attack us again
3. Accept China as the Asian heavyweight, and back down
#1 May not happen if the N Koreans do something crazy.
#2 Only works if you trust Japan, and could mean an Asian arms race
#3 Means the end of the USA as the world's only superpower and the rise of China as an official superpower.
From China's perspective:
#1 is OK as long as they are still growing. Better to have that fight another day. N Korea going rouge is probably more annoying than anything.
#2 is unacceptable to them
#3 would be ideal
China would step up to the plate for N Korea, if push came to shove, for the simple fact that if they didn't, their sphere of influence in the region would shrink. But behind the scenes, I bet China is wishing as hard as we are than N Korea doesn't do anything stupid.
IMO, today's China is not going to be aggressive, but they will not back down either. If Taiwan declares independence, China will act. If N Korea and S Korea are at war, China will throw its weight in the ring.
It had to.
Since we took out Japan's guns, we had to step in to counter-balance China's influence in the region.
The original Korean War was an extension of that. Japan and the Asian Tiger countries were under the American umbrella, and the rest were under China's.
Today's Korean conflict, from our point of view, is an extension of that. We have basically three choices.
1. Keep propping up S Korea and Japan, hope the status quo stalemate with China and Chinese satellite N Korea continues.
2. Re-militarize Japan, and hope they don't attack us again
3. Accept China as the Asian heavyweight, and back down
#1 May not happen if the N Koreans do something crazy.
#2 Only works if you trust Japan, and could mean an Asian arms race
#3 Means the end of the USA as the world's only superpower and the rise of China as an official superpower.
From China's perspective:
#1 is OK as long as they are still growing. Better to have that fight another day. N Korea going rouge is probably more annoying than anything.
#2 is unacceptable to them
#3 would be ideal
China would step up to the plate for N Korea, if push came to shove, for the simple fact that if they didn't, their sphere of influence in the region would shrink. But behind the scenes, I bet China is wishing as hard as we are than N Korea doesn't do anything stupid.
IMO, today's China is not going to be aggressive, but they will not back down either. If Taiwan declares independence, China will act. If N Korea and S Korea are at war, China will throw its weight in the ring.
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by Guest » Tue Nov 23, 2010 11:19 pm
[QUOTE=playercool;38517]Too bad the market didn't take a leg up like I wanted it to. As you have noticed in the last few days since that conversation we had, the market has had some down days. I should probably go ahead and step in and make some shorts. If shit like this really happens the market will clearly tank.[/QUOTE]
LOL that's exactly why I started reading about this! Anyways, it's doubtful that anything will happen. Neither side wants to fight, the "x" factor is just this kid in charge of N Korea, and who knows what he'll do.
It's like Russian Roulette. Odds are we'll be OK, but if luck isn't on our side....
Boom.
LOL that's exactly why I started reading about this! Anyways, it's doubtful that anything will happen. Neither side wants to fight, the "x" factor is just this kid in charge of N Korea, and who knows what he'll do.
It's like Russian Roulette. Odds are we'll be OK, but if luck isn't on our side....
Boom.
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by Guest » Wed Nov 24, 2010 1:01 am
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2. Re-militarize Japan, and hope they don't attack us .[/QUOTE]
We've already re-militrized japan. they won't attack us. After wwII everything changed with japan. Their military suffered in exchange for technological advances. They are and always will be our ally. They are years ahead of us in technology, but we are years ahead of them in military warfare.
2. Re-militarize Japan, and hope they don't attack us .[/QUOTE]
We've already re-militrized japan. they won't attack us. After wwII everything changed with japan. Their military suffered in exchange for technological advances. They are and always will be our ally. They are years ahead of us in technology, but we are years ahead of them in military warfare.
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by Guest » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:24 am
[QUOTE=Bull Run;38518]EVERYTHING will tank. And we'll all be called upon to 'serve our country.' [QUOTE]
I think the They will take the young, uneducated and unemployed 18 year olds first. Most of us are ok. Gunslinger just turned 18 though so he's probably screwed. Bring us all back something Korean bro.
I tried as hard as I could to not to pay attention in both economics classes in college, but I woke up from my mid class nap every once in a while to hear my proffessors say that the U.S. involvment in WWII is what saved us from the depression. Maybe times are different and the production of raw goods is so different because of outsourcing that it would be way different this time around, but at least war affects the unemployment rate positively and stimulates the economy. Man, thinking about this shit makes me tired in almost nostalgic kind of way. Seriously I got the best sleep in that class.
I think the They will take the young, uneducated and unemployed 18 year olds first. Most of us are ok. Gunslinger just turned 18 though so he's probably screwed. Bring us all back something Korean bro.
I tried as hard as I could to not to pay attention in both economics classes in college, but I woke up from my mid class nap every once in a while to hear my proffessors say that the U.S. involvment in WWII is what saved us from the depression. Maybe times are different and the production of raw goods is so different because of outsourcing that it would be way different this time around, but at least war affects the unemployment rate positively and stimulates the economy. Man, thinking about this shit makes me tired in almost nostalgic kind of way. Seriously I got the best sleep in that class.
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by Guest » Wed Nov 24, 2010 10:33 am
[QUOTE=Ram;38526]I think the They will take the young, uneducated and unemployed 18 year olds first. Most of us are ok. Gunslinger just turned 18 though so he's probably screwed. Bring us all back something Korean bro.
I tried as hard as I could to not to pay attention in both economics classes in college, but I woke up from my mid class nap every once in a while to hear my proffessors say that the U.S. involvment in WWII is what saved us from the depression. Maybe times are different and the production of raw goods is so different because of outsourcing that it would be way different this time around, but at least war affects the unemployment rate positively and stimulates the economy. Man, thinking about this shit makes me tired in almost nostalgic kind of way. Seriously I got the best sleep in that class.[/QUOTE]
WWII did get us out of the Depression...FDR's policies were complete and utter failures at turning the economy around.
In WWII, virtually every able bodied American male was involved in the conflict. The same would be true in WWIII.
I tried as hard as I could to not to pay attention in both economics classes in college, but I woke up from my mid class nap every once in a while to hear my proffessors say that the U.S. involvment in WWII is what saved us from the depression. Maybe times are different and the production of raw goods is so different because of outsourcing that it would be way different this time around, but at least war affects the unemployment rate positively and stimulates the economy. Man, thinking about this shit makes me tired in almost nostalgic kind of way. Seriously I got the best sleep in that class.[/QUOTE]
WWII did get us out of the Depression...FDR's policies were complete and utter failures at turning the economy around.
In WWII, virtually every able bodied American male was involved in the conflict. The same would be true in WWIII.
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