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by Guest » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:17 pm
How did we become so dependent on China? because of that Capitalism that some of you guys love so much. People don't want to spend that extra $1 for American made goods...People want to "Cut out the middleman" without realizing - or caring that they, themself, are the middleman.
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by Guest » Mon Mar 22, 2010 2:35 pm
[QUOTE=Muk;35378]How did we become so dependent on China? because of that Capitalism that some of you guys love so much. People don't want to spend that extra $1 for American made goods...People want to "Cut out the middleman" without realizing - or caring that they, themself, are the middleman.[/QUOTE]
How did you get to be so fucking dense? Jesus. The reason why we're so dependent on China is due to overly powerful Unions. You see, Unions don't care about how many members they have, they care about their wages. They would gladly see 5 - 10 of their members get laidoff if that means that the remaining members make more money. As long as the pool of wages (quantity of workers * pay rate) continues to rise, then the Union is happy. Why? Because they get a percent of the total wage pool. So, they routinely throw their own members under the bus so that the Union can have higher dues paid to them. The ugly truth is that Unions promote higher unemployment.
So, the Unions wring out as much from the company as they possibly can, the company loses competitive advantage because of a higher cost structure which makes sending jobs overseas a feasible business proposition.
Also, most American's think that everyone should be a millionaire. Part of this entitlement that American's have...well, no, you don't get to be a millionaire unless you fucking earn it. Nothing is stopping any of them from starting their own business and building something. Instead, they want to do nothing extra but get all of the benefits.
Look at the worst industries in the country: education, autos, and airlines. What's the common theme amongst them? Hmmm....strong Unions.
The sad thing is that people actually believe that others are looking out for the little guy, but they aren't. Instead, they're using the little guy to create more power for themselves to make themselves more important.
Capitalism has it's flaws. The primary one being the unequal distribution of wealth.
But, it's better than Socialism that results in the equal distribution of misery.
How did you get to be so fucking dense? Jesus. The reason why we're so dependent on China is due to overly powerful Unions. You see, Unions don't care about how many members they have, they care about their wages. They would gladly see 5 - 10 of their members get laidoff if that means that the remaining members make more money. As long as the pool of wages (quantity of workers * pay rate) continues to rise, then the Union is happy. Why? Because they get a percent of the total wage pool. So, they routinely throw their own members under the bus so that the Union can have higher dues paid to them. The ugly truth is that Unions promote higher unemployment.
So, the Unions wring out as much from the company as they possibly can, the company loses competitive advantage because of a higher cost structure which makes sending jobs overseas a feasible business proposition.
Also, most American's think that everyone should be a millionaire. Part of this entitlement that American's have...well, no, you don't get to be a millionaire unless you fucking earn it. Nothing is stopping any of them from starting their own business and building something. Instead, they want to do nothing extra but get all of the benefits.
Look at the worst industries in the country: education, autos, and airlines. What's the common theme amongst them? Hmmm....strong Unions.
The sad thing is that people actually believe that others are looking out for the little guy, but they aren't. Instead, they're using the little guy to create more power for themselves to make themselves more important.
Capitalism has it's flaws. The primary one being the unequal distribution of wealth.
But, it's better than Socialism that results in the equal distribution of misery.
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by Guest » Mon Mar 22, 2010 6:24 pm
I've calmed down a little bit since shelling out all that money to the government on tax day. But in my opinion, here's what I know.
We need a smaller government. Not only because I am tired of paying high taxes or being harassed by cops. Obama and Bush are probably good guys and I believe that they mean well for this country. But both administrations have grown the size and cost of the government to levels I for one am uncomfortable with.
As for China, Saudi Arabia, etc...
At some point, energy independence is a must. The trouble is that the green technology just isn't there yet, so we're in a catch-22 of depending on these guys for cheap fuel.
As for manufacturing, it's a shame that America doesn't make anything anymore. Obama is right about one thing: We need to remove roadblocks to trade so we can start exporting the stuff we make. That's the way to start getting a handle on the deficit, and create jobs, which will stimulate spending at home.
Bull Run has a good point about Unions and the need for entrepreneurship to create new jobs. I'll add this - we need to make sure that the Chinese are playing by fair trade rules as they are now a part of WTO and a major economic force. That, to me, means finding a way to float their currency within a reasonable timeframe. The time should and will come when the US exports at least as much in to China as we import.
We need to open up the EU, Japanese, and other Asian markets to our goods as well. There are too many trade barriers, and that makes everyone poor. Here is where I think Obama really has a chance to make a positive difference - he is seen very positively, at least in Europe, and I think people there would listen to him.
We need a smaller government. Not only because I am tired of paying high taxes or being harassed by cops. Obama and Bush are probably good guys and I believe that they mean well for this country. But both administrations have grown the size and cost of the government to levels I for one am uncomfortable with.
As for China, Saudi Arabia, etc...
At some point, energy independence is a must. The trouble is that the green technology just isn't there yet, so we're in a catch-22 of depending on these guys for cheap fuel.
As for manufacturing, it's a shame that America doesn't make anything anymore. Obama is right about one thing: We need to remove roadblocks to trade so we can start exporting the stuff we make. That's the way to start getting a handle on the deficit, and create jobs, which will stimulate spending at home.
Bull Run has a good point about Unions and the need for entrepreneurship to create new jobs. I'll add this - we need to make sure that the Chinese are playing by fair trade rules as they are now a part of WTO and a major economic force. That, to me, means finding a way to float their currency within a reasonable timeframe. The time should and will come when the US exports at least as much in to China as we import.
We need to open up the EU, Japanese, and other Asian markets to our goods as well. There are too many trade barriers, and that makes everyone poor. Here is where I think Obama really has a chance to make a positive difference - he is seen very positively, at least in Europe, and I think people there would listen to him.
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by Guest » Mon Mar 22, 2010 8:28 pm
[QUOTE=Muk;35378]How did we become so dependent on China? because of that Capitalism that some of you guys love so much. People don't want to spend that extra $1 for American made goods...People want to "Cut out the middleman" without realizing - or caring that they, themself, are the middleman.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3749/tiggaplzbe1.jpg[/IMG]
Guys, I'm not talking about just China, I'm talking about everyone we are dependent on here in the States also.
We used to burn our trash or recycle personally, now we rely on Allied waste or the city. We used to grow our own food, now we rely on God knows who. We used to build our own houses, now we pay builders to do it for us and charge us so much.
China and all the other countries came into the picture because it's not physically possible for everyone in this country to keep up with the Jones-es, someone has to be the burger flipper. Muk, China came into the picture because "broke" fucks on welfare want to have that cell phone, or that new fat loss pill that's endorsed by the Kardashians, or that new Escalade on dubs. Some people have to be the garbage people in this society and while its not the best job, someone has to do it. China came into the picture because we have garbage people who want to live like rockstars. $30k Millionaire anyone?
I recognize I am a broke son-ma-bitch... guess what... I haven't been out in how long? I haven't done a lot of shit I used to do because my money has to go on other things. People need to live within their means and not expect to live the "good life" just because the government will make them comfortable in their poverty.
You can also thank the government for forcing people to buy from China et al. Instead of the government doing what they are supposed to do, (taxing products from other countries and there by reducing prices on American goods thus stimulating the American industry) they are taxing the Americans and regulating us to death making the cost of our goods sky-rocket while third world countries have virtually no regulations.
[QUOTE] Obama is right about one thing: We need to remove roadblocks to trade so we can start exporting the stuff we make. [/QUOTE]
Like what? We don't make anything anymore... You just said that? Even if we did make stuff, you think that the world is gonna want to buy our overpriced (due to regulations and taxes on businesses) stuff? Or from China that has no regulations and has slave labor? I'm not saying we need to be like China, but the US just cannot compete with slave labor in mass production.. We must become a country known for our QUALITY goods at fair prices once again.. that's the balance between the 2 extremes.
[IMG]http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3749/tiggaplzbe1.jpg[/IMG]
Guys, I'm not talking about just China, I'm talking about everyone we are dependent on here in the States also.
We used to burn our trash or recycle personally, now we rely on Allied waste or the city. We used to grow our own food, now we rely on God knows who. We used to build our own houses, now we pay builders to do it for us and charge us so much.
China and all the other countries came into the picture because it's not physically possible for everyone in this country to keep up with the Jones-es, someone has to be the burger flipper. Muk, China came into the picture because "broke" fucks on welfare want to have that cell phone, or that new fat loss pill that's endorsed by the Kardashians, or that new Escalade on dubs. Some people have to be the garbage people in this society and while its not the best job, someone has to do it. China came into the picture because we have garbage people who want to live like rockstars. $30k Millionaire anyone?
I recognize I am a broke son-ma-bitch... guess what... I haven't been out in how long? I haven't done a lot of shit I used to do because my money has to go on other things. People need to live within their means and not expect to live the "good life" just because the government will make them comfortable in their poverty.
You can also thank the government for forcing people to buy from China et al. Instead of the government doing what they are supposed to do, (taxing products from other countries and there by reducing prices on American goods thus stimulating the American industry) they are taxing the Americans and regulating us to death making the cost of our goods sky-rocket while third world countries have virtually no regulations.
[QUOTE] Obama is right about one thing: We need to remove roadblocks to trade so we can start exporting the stuff we make. [/QUOTE]
Like what? We don't make anything anymore... You just said that? Even if we did make stuff, you think that the world is gonna want to buy our overpriced (due to regulations and taxes on businesses) stuff? Or from China that has no regulations and has slave labor? I'm not saying we need to be like China, but the US just cannot compete with slave labor in mass production.. We must become a country known for our QUALITY goods at fair prices once again.. that's the balance between the 2 extremes.
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by Guest » Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:39 pm
[QUOTE=Finesse;35382][IMG]http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3749/tiggaplzbe1.jpg[/IMG]
Like what? We don't make anything anymore... You just said that? Even if we did make stuff, you think that the world is gonna want to buy our overpriced (due to regulations and taxes on businesses) stuff? Or from China that has no regulations and has slave labor? [/QUOTE]
We used to be the world's biggest manufacturing nation, and we've lost a lot of that. But I wasn't being 100% literal, we still make SOME stuff, China etc have taken over mostly the easy to make things you find at WalMart. We dominate in the newest and most complicated technology.
I'm in the drill rig industry, which is dominated by Americans and Europeans. Aside from that, Americans make airplanes, software, semi-conductors, computers, advanced electronics, weapons, gene technology, etc.
The only simple product we dominate... the world's food industry cause our farmers are hard working folks and some of the best Americans out there.
Like what? We don't make anything anymore... You just said that? Even if we did make stuff, you think that the world is gonna want to buy our overpriced (due to regulations and taxes on businesses) stuff? Or from China that has no regulations and has slave labor? [/QUOTE]
We used to be the world's biggest manufacturing nation, and we've lost a lot of that. But I wasn't being 100% literal, we still make SOME stuff, China etc have taken over mostly the easy to make things you find at WalMart. We dominate in the newest and most complicated technology.
I'm in the drill rig industry, which is dominated by Americans and Europeans. Aside from that, Americans make airplanes, software, semi-conductors, computers, advanced electronics, weapons, gene technology, etc.
The only simple product we dominate... the world's food industry cause our farmers are hard working folks and some of the best Americans out there.
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by Guest » Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:30 pm
[QUOTE=grimm1111;35385]We used to be the world's biggest manufacturing nation, and we've lost a lot of that. But I wasn't being 100% literal, we still make SOME stuff, China etc have taken over mostly the easy to make things you find at WalMart. We dominate in the newest and most complicated technology.
I'm in the drill rig industry, which is dominated by Americans and Europeans. Aside from that, Americans make airplanes, software, semi-conductors, computers, advanced electronics, weapons, gene technology, etc.
The only simple product we dominate... the world's food industry cause our farmers are hard working folks and some of the best Americans out there.[/QUOTE]
Some would argue that America is no longer the worlds Bread basket. But I get what you're saying.
My question is though, how many of those things are necessary, I mean absolutely necessary, to live regardless of where you live in the world?
What I am saying is people all over the world, are no longer dependent on 1 just country. Including the USA. There is no longer a clear cut provider for the world the way America was. This is why our economy has crapped out. Because we built an empire to the tune of the world being dependent on us. (The reason for the Dollar being the reserve currency.) The world no longer depends on us and we wonder why else our economy is tanking? Seriously?
2 things can happen... 1) we start providing for ourselves like we used to and say to hell with the rest of the world economy. or 2) we merge with the rest of this planet into the "New World Order" Christians want oh so badly. The only things we sell right now are things the rest of the world can, and does, live without, and as I said, some would say that food exports from the USA have shrunk.
I'm in the drill rig industry, which is dominated by Americans and Europeans. Aside from that, Americans make airplanes, software, semi-conductors, computers, advanced electronics, weapons, gene technology, etc.
The only simple product we dominate... the world's food industry cause our farmers are hard working folks and some of the best Americans out there.[/QUOTE]
Some would argue that America is no longer the worlds Bread basket. But I get what you're saying.
My question is though, how many of those things are necessary, I mean absolutely necessary, to live regardless of where you live in the world?
What I am saying is people all over the world, are no longer dependent on 1 just country. Including the USA. There is no longer a clear cut provider for the world the way America was. This is why our economy has crapped out. Because we built an empire to the tune of the world being dependent on us. (The reason for the Dollar being the reserve currency.) The world no longer depends on us and we wonder why else our economy is tanking? Seriously?
2 things can happen... 1) we start providing for ourselves like we used to and say to hell with the rest of the world economy. or 2) we merge with the rest of this planet into the "New World Order" Christians want oh so badly. The only things we sell right now are things the rest of the world can, and does, live without, and as I said, some would say that food exports from the USA have shrunk.
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by Guest » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:23 pm
HEY GUYS! Let's remove all of those trivial Health code Regulations! Lead Silverware, Antifreeze Toothpaste, and Cooking oil made from sewage aren't as bad as we all think it is. and if a guy chops off his arm working at the factory, it's his own fault and he should be dumped and replaced immediately.
Which reminds me of those pesky Worker's rights! who needsem? They'd better take that bowl of rice and plywood shack and be happy they get anything!
All of these Worker's Rights and Regulations hurt the bottom line.
Which reminds me of those pesky Worker's rights! who needsem? They'd better take that bowl of rice and plywood shack and be happy they get anything!
All of these Worker's Rights and Regulations hurt the bottom line.
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by Guest » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:33 pm
[QUOTE=Muk;35442]HEY GUYS! Let's remove all of those trivial Health code Regulations! Lead Silverware, Antifreeze Toothpaste, and Cooking oil made from sewage aren't as bad as we all think it is. and if a guy chops off his arm working at the factory, it's his own fault and he should be dumped and replaced immediately.
Which reminds me of those pesky Worker's rights! who needsem? They'd better take that bowl of rice and plywood shack and be happy they get anything!
All of these Worker's Rights and Regulations hurt the bottom line.[/QUOTE]
Lord...someone call the asylum, one of those crazy Libs got out again...
I think it's so funny how people like you actually believe there is such a thing as a virtuous government and virtuous regulators. Truth be told, they're interested in their own self-interest too but instead of the bottom line, they're looking for power and control (which eventually boosts their bottom line). Show me a virtuous regulator, just one. They don't exist. At least with the FREE MARKET there is competition, so if you find anti-freeze in your toothpaste, then you can stop buying their product and switch to another. But, what happens when the regulators fuck up? Nothing. They keep their jobs and you still have to rely on the inept to 'watch over you.'
I guess it comes down to exactly how lazy you are: Libs want to create a structure where people HAVE to watch out for their well being so they don't have to think about it...you life becomes someone else's problem...these benevolent regulators don't give two fucks about you. At least with Capitalism, you can vote with your dollars...
Seriously, pick up a book on economics, it'll change your life.
Which reminds me of those pesky Worker's rights! who needsem? They'd better take that bowl of rice and plywood shack and be happy they get anything!
All of these Worker's Rights and Regulations hurt the bottom line.[/QUOTE]
Lord...someone call the asylum, one of those crazy Libs got out again...
I think it's so funny how people like you actually believe there is such a thing as a virtuous government and virtuous regulators. Truth be told, they're interested in their own self-interest too but instead of the bottom line, they're looking for power and control (which eventually boosts their bottom line). Show me a virtuous regulator, just one. They don't exist. At least with the FREE MARKET there is competition, so if you find anti-freeze in your toothpaste, then you can stop buying their product and switch to another. But, what happens when the regulators fuck up? Nothing. They keep their jobs and you still have to rely on the inept to 'watch over you.'
I guess it comes down to exactly how lazy you are: Libs want to create a structure where people HAVE to watch out for their well being so they don't have to think about it...you life becomes someone else's problem...these benevolent regulators don't give two fucks about you. At least with Capitalism, you can vote with your dollars...
Seriously, pick up a book on economics, it'll change your life.
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