Props to you all

[ValkyrieRose]

you do. its hardwired into you.

Not so. Ask Mojo.

[MagicBalls]

When I was in my early 20's, I made a blonde friend who was a 10 and alos a neighbor at the dorms. We'd hang out, play tennis, etc. I remember going over to her apartment and I was in her room while she was talking on the phone. She started picking stuff of the floor and would bend over and point her ass towards me. I didn't realize until years later that she was doing it on purpose. And I didn't have the guts to do anything about it, either. She had a boyfriend in another city, which held me back, but now I realize that some girls are never without a boyfriend because they jump from one to the next, and that it would have been my opportunity.

Yeah, it's sad I was so clueless that I was in a beautiful woman's bedroom and she was bending over and I didn't get it.

Not now, though.

As far as the smiling, yeah, I've had girls smile at me, but usually a smile isn't enough. Two smiles might give me some motivation to walk over. Three will make me lose my motivation. It's always best to get a PAI MAI... thing's go much smoother and it''s easier to start a conversation that way. Just find an excuse to be in the area, give the guy a neg, and don't hang around too long, then come PAI MAI a little later and see if you can start a conversation.

[Neuromancer]

you do. its hardwired into you.

It's a skill set and can therefore be learned. We mistake it for hardwired responses because women are much more socialized than guys are.

Think about the girls who go out and compete about how many drinks they can get for free. What do they do? They come on strong, push/pull to get the buying temp up, ask for a drink, get it and walk away. Why does it work? They run attract game, look for IOIs, escalate kino and go in for the kill.

I've never seen anything like what you describe. But then...I've seldom gone to bars or clubs.

I haven't cruised bars and clubs since I was 24 or so. And even then I never felt all that comfortable in them. Though now at Mojo's suggestion I suppose I need to start just so I can sit back and see everything you both say goes on.

I wouldn't know how to run an attract game if it hit me like a 2x4.

lets roll, I could use a good pivot.

[MagicBalls]

Actually I meant proximity AI, not PAI MAI.

And thanks for understanding, btw

[ValkyrieRose]

As far as the smiling, yeah, I've had girls smile at me, but usually a smile isn't enough. Two smiles might give me some motivation to walk over. Three will make me lose my motivation. It's always best to get a PAI MAI... thing's go much smoother and it''s easier to start a conversation that way. Just find an excuse to be in the area, give the guy a neg, and don't hang around too long, then come PAI MAI a little later and see if you can start a conversation.

OMG!

Three smiles and you NEXT her ass?!!!

Holy crap.

No wonder he was ignoring me. I kept smiling because I keep hearing how guys are so oblivious to women's signals. He gave not the slightest indication that he was even aware of my presence. And believe me - I looked.

Um..I'm feeling dumb here. What's PAI MAI?

Oh wait. Lemme guess...somebody's gonna come back with DAFS or RTFM

[MagicBalls]

lol

I meant Proximity AI, which is where you find an excuse to be in the general vicinity. It always makes it easier to say something, because it takes the pressure off since you're just there for supposedly another reason.

As far as the smiling bit, I can only speak for myself. No, I wouldn't next her. It's just that if it became real obvious that she was interested and she wasn't making a move, I would feel the pressure to make a move and it would make me nervous or self-conscious. I would rather just not deal with it. Talking causally usually eases things up a bit. Well, at least that's how I would have reacted a year or so ago. Things might be different now.

[Neuromancer]

well women throw these super subtle IOIs that most men don't see. Hell, I found out about most of them from the MM book (it lists them). They then think they are throwing themselves at guys and they never notice. It happened to me a lot in the 90's. Women that I really wanted came up to me years later and said they wanted me so bad but I was just unattainable. I had no clue. I figured they were friends and just being playful. Now I know there is no such thing as a friend who flirts. Well it's a rule but there are always exceptions.

[MagicBalls]

Now that I think about it, maybe I haven't changed that much. There's a very beautiful prissy girl in her early 20's that works at the bookstore that smiles at me. Usually she has a stoic face and manner, and you get the feeling that she was in the power group when she was in High School. I've negged her a few times, and she responds in a bitchy way. She still smiles at me though, and when I pass by she turns and notices. But every time I'm ready to approach her, I think of something to say, go up, get cold feet, exchange looks and just pass by. Honestly, I'm kinda afraid of her.

[ValkyrieRose]

I figured they were friends and just being playful. Now I know there is no such thing as a friend who flirts. Well it's a rule but there are always exceptions.

Queen Bees I think would be one of your exceptions. Actually men hold the crown at playing the Queen Bee game. We just call 'em by a different name. A Male Queen Bee is called a Stringer - as in 'strings-you-along'.

[Neuromancer]

I figured they were friends and just being playful. Now I know there is no such thing as a friend who flirts. Well it's a rule but there are always exceptions.

Queen Bees I think would be one of your exceptions. Actually men hold the crown at playing the Queen Bee game. We just call 'em by a different name. A Male Queen Bee is called a Stringer - as in 'strings-you-along'.

HAHA, stringer, that's me and I never knew it!