First Text Ignored....

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;34221]It's not our responsibility to put anyone in 'their place.' [/QUOTE]

If you approach it as, "You think you might still like to get with this girl." Then really you are just making her aware of how you expect her to treat you. I.E. You aren't going to be a gold-digger to me and will respect me and my property. This is what I am trying to say.

If you approach it as just putting her in her place, then that is bad. It's my fault for continuing to word it this way in my post.

Having said that, it is your responsibility to demand to be treated a certain way.

I would be curious to know if Ram's friend has converted any of these into a fuck.

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[QUOTE=Lion;34220]Or maybe you could work on your game, that way the next girl will respond to your texts. Silly, I know.

Because a girl didn't respond to a text she is a gold-digging whore? That seems to be taking it a bit too far. Maybe you didn't project enough value to her, might that be the real reason she didn't respond? So now if someone plays a practical joke on her she will all of a sudden respond to every text from guys she didn't like? Don't think so.

If some girl I blew off texted me that she just won 50k, I would at least respond to congratulate her. Does that make me a gold-digger too?[/QUOTE]


You talk as if Game is concrete and that everything fits a mold.

There are too many situations that can happen to say any one answer would fit.

Maybe the girl is a prude and only dates guys that look like PP. Maybe she only dates guys who drive nice cars. Maybe she only dates guys who treat her like crap. Maybe she only dates guys who are really nice. Maybe she only dates guys who have gone to MIT. Maybe she'll date anyone and give them a chance.

You don't know her life situations or dating preferences and in this case (Ram's friend's trick) it doesn't matter how "good" your game is.

No she's a gold digging whore because she responded like this:

[QUOTE]"OMG! you are not going to believe this! I got 5 out of the 6 numbers right on the lotto yesterday. Even though I only won 50,000 $ I am throwing a huge party for everyone I know. I have the whole v.i.p. reserved at suite tonight. Drinks on me Bitches!"
and then we we wait...[B] It usually only takes the girl like 5-10 to respond and prove that she is shallow and that he wasn't cool enough to hang out with before he had 50k to burn.[/B][/QUOTE]Fact is, Ram didn't indicate exactly what a girl would say or has said to prove that she is, he just said, "respond". Now I will grant you that sometimes a case will arise where a girl isn't actually a gold-digger. But we aren't talking about those cases now are we?

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[QUOTE=Finesse;34222]If you approach it as, "You think you might still like to get with this girl." Then really you are just making her aware of how you expect her to treat you. I.E. You aren't going to be a gold-digger to me and will respect me and my property. This is what I am trying to say.

If you approach it as just putting her in her place, then that is bad. It's my fault for continuing to word it this way in my post.

Having said that, it is your responsibility to demand to be treated a certain way.

I would be curious to know if Ram's friend has converted any of these into a fuck.[/QUOTE]


I'm not sure the point of the 'tactic,' if you want to call it that, is to get the girl back or even get the girl at all. Instead, I think it's a small man's way of trying to get the last word and to give himself a reason why the girl didn't go for him. In this case, this guy has a belief system, which is false, that the ONLY reason a woman doesn't respond to his text or calls is because she's a stuck up little bitch.

Unfortunately, reality is almost never that black and white. There could be, literally, a million reasons why this girl didn't want to continue talking with this guy. Being a stuck up little bitch could easily be one of them, but what if she just saw him as a friend and nothing more? I can guarantee you that if she got a text like that from him, then she'd probably respond with the understanding that they're just friends. Afterall, he did say that he's inviting all of his FRIENDS to party right?

Although, I think it's funny as hell to pull this joke on girls, I don't think that just because they responded it means that they're stuck up, gold digging little bitches. $50K is hardly a lot of gold worth digging. I think that this guy has built a crutch for himself that prevents him from ever actually sitting down and thinking: what reasons could exist for this girl to not like me, what could I improve about myself, what could I have done differently? These are the tough questions that most AFCs refuse to ask. A good PUA should always ask themselves these questions to make sure that they haven't developed bad habits or false belief systems. Understand that it's not usually any fault of your own because you hardly know this girl, but still those are healthy questions to ponder before you go on to the next one.

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[QUOTE]Afterall, he did say that he's inviting all of his FRIENDS to party right?[/QUOTE]I wouldn't exactly call this broad a "friend".. more like acquaintance. To me, a friend is someone I have an esteemed mutual respect with and a girl in this situation would not have met my grade.

I would still be curious to know if his friend has converted any of these into fucks.

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[QUOTE]what reasons could exist for this girl to not like me, what could I improve about myself, what could I have done differently?[/QUOTE]It's not always your (or the guys) fault as to why someone doesn't like them. To me, this is one of the biggest problems in the community, is this mentality.

Sometimes, it's the girl. Reasons could be numerous and society tells most women what they should look for in a partner. Things off the top of my head include: prominence, affluence namely in property, money, cars, etc..

Women are inundated with images of what a perfect match is. It's up to them on whether or not they use the scale to match people up against. That is something in which no amount of "game" can control fully. And While I agree that everyone should ask themselves those questions, people should also realize that sometimes it doesn't matter how perfect you gamed, sometimes it solely rests on her. After all, you can't force someone into sex, that's rape.

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[QUOTE=Finesse;34227]It's not always your (or the guys) fault as to why someone doesn't like them. To me, this is one of the biggest problems in the community, is this mentality.

Sometimes, it's the girl. Reasons could be numerous and society tells most women what they should look for in a partner. Things off the top of my head include: prominence, affluence namely in property, money, cars, etc..

Women are inundated with images of what a perfect match is. It's up to them on whether or not they use the scale to match people up against. That is something in which no amount of "game" can control fully. And While I agree that everyone should ask themselves those questions, people should also realize that sometimes it doesn't matter how perfect you gamed, sometimes it solely rests on her. After all, you can't force someone into sex, that's rape.[/QUOTE]



I totally agree. If you read the sentence after the one you quoted, you'll see that I almost never conclude that I did something wrong. Most times the reason why things didn't go as I would have liked will never be fully known to me. Like I said, there could literally be millions of reasons why things didn't go as I would have wished. Still though, where's the harm in breaking down the interaction and asking yourself if there were some things that you would have changed? I think that's a healthy question to ask yourself, and, quite frankly, one of the few ways that you actually improve your game.

Most times, you see things that you didn't do, for lack of a better term, 'right.' I know that I always breakdown my interactions, good and bad, after they occur (assuming there's enough information to process, i.e. the interaction was sufficiently long enough). Being self-reflective and analyzing my actions have served me very well in all aspects of my life and has allowed me to make changes and 'tweaks' that present me in a better light or straight up make me a better person.

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[QUOTE=Finesse;34226]I wouldn't exactly call this broad a "friend".. more like acquaintance. To me, a friend is someone I have an esteemed mutual respect with and a girl in this situation would not have met my grade.

I would still be curious to know if his friend has converted any of these into fucks.[/QUOTE]



It doesn't matter your definition of a friend is, what matters is whether or not she thinks of him as a friend, or possible new friend. His first text exploits that little loophole.

I'll wager money that he hasn't fuck closed anyone using this technique.

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[QUOTE=Finesse;34227]It's not always your (or the guys) fault as to why someone doesn't like them. To me, this is one of the biggest problems in the community, is this mentality.

Sometimes, it's the girl. Reasons could be numerous and society tells most women what they should look for in a partner. Things off the top of my head include: prominence, affluence namely in property, money, cars, etc..

Women are inundated with images of what a perfect match is. It's up to them on whether or not they use the scale to match people up against. That is something in which no amount of "game" can control fully. And While I agree that everyone should ask themselves those questions, people should also realize that sometimes it doesn't matter how perfect you gamed, sometimes it solely rests on her. After all, you can't force someone into sex, that's rape.[/QUOTE]

That's what game is. Figuring out what women don't like about you and fixing it. It isn't the womans fault, it's your fault as a man.

It is highly doubtful that if a girl likes you, you ran strong game, you projected value and she ate it up but she decided not to text back because you don't have money or houses. Highly doubtful. How would she know any of that shit anyway? Unless you pulled the patented George Costanza routine "Hi, I'm 27, unemployed, and I live with my parents". Which, by the way, works very well.

Of course women choose. But if you believe that women choose 100% of the time and there is nothing you can do about it then why are you interested in pick-up?

[I]This is the last thing I'm going to say about the subject:[/I]

It's a funny series of texts, but only a low value man (boy) would actually go to these links to feel vindicated. That was the problem in the first place with that gold-digging bitch, the man didn't have enough value. We always say "you are the prize, not her!", well that only works if you actually are the prize. Sometimes she is the prize and you need to work on yourself until you are a prize too.

The only way to get revenge on girls who don't text back is to become so high value that you get so many texts a day you will never even remember this girl.

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[QUOTE=Lion]Of course women choose. But if you believe that women choose 100% of the time and there is nothing you can do about it then why are you interested in pick-up?[/QUOTE]


[QUOTE=Finesse]Sometimes, it's the girl.[/QUOTE]
What about, "sometimes", do you not understand? I never said its 100% the girls fault all the time.

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[QUOTE=Bull Run]Still though, where's the harm in breaking down the interaction and asking yourself if there were some things that you would have changed?[/QUOTE]

This is the harm. You get thinking like this if you always think it's your fault:

[QUOTE=Lion]Figuring out what women don't like about you and fixing it. It isn't the womans fault, it's your fault as a man. [/QUOTE]

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Bull Run I agree with you:
[QUOTE=Bull Run]Most times the reason why things didn't go as I would have liked will never be fully known to me. Like I said, there could literally be millions of reasons why things didn't go as I would have wished. Still though, where's the harm in breaking down the interaction and asking yourself if there were some things that you would have changed? I think that's a healthy question to ask yourself, and, quite frankly, one of the few ways that you actually improve your game.[/QUOTE]

It's important to understand that invariably there will be circumstances beyond our control while we analyze what we could have done better.

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;34230]It doesn't matter your definition of a friend is, what matters is whether or not she thinks of him as a friend, or possible new friend. His first text exploits that little loophole.

I'll wager money that he hasn't fuck closed anyone using this technique.[/QUOTE]

lol "friend" isn't even in the original text... how'd we get on this?