Bull Run, why do you "tack"? is there a reason behind it?
also, is it ok to go sexual with her that quickly? i mean you made out with her the night before, so in essence, you have already started "seducing" her (in MM's classic definition) and for you, it was ok to do so...
in my case, i have not kissed this girl nor have i made any sexual innuendos, so i think that by saying some of the things you said may be a little forward (unless i say it in a playful manner, and with text, you never know what is lost in translation)...
i would definitely say some sexual things, but id rather say it in person so that i can laugh it off if she responds negatively...then" it was all just a joke"
i think the next time we text, i will say that i just got home from th gym and my shoulders are sore and need a massage/ back rub. this would tie in to the night we met (she kept rubbing my back) and DHV. not to mention massages usually imply something sexual, or can easily lead to something sexual...
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by Guest » Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:20 am
[quote1248100905=Prodigy]Bull Run, why do you "tack"? is there a reason behind it?[/quote1248100905]
I've found that women think it's funny and endearing. Imagine how a woman would feel if you took the time to write 3, 4, 5 responses to her message and you sent them one right after another, machine gun style. Bam, bam, bam, bam. Especially if you're being CUTE and FUNNY and CHARMING. Think about it, she gets a text and it's CUTE and FUNNY, maybe sexual...then, before she can respond she gets another that ties into the previous one that's cute and funny, maybe sexual...then, before she can respond she gets two more inline with that. I can PROMISE you that virtually every woman on the planet has not gotten a series of texts like the one that I outlined at the end of my 'Text Report.'
Now, the way to do it is to keep the texts short and simple. One liners work the best because it doesn't take a lot of work. It's easy to write 4 texts with 2 words in each text. But, I have in the past actually sent girls lyrics to commonly known songs. For example:
I made plans to have a girl come to my place and then we were going to walk over to The Granada to see a concert.
HB I Can't Remember Her Name: I'm so excited!!!
Bull Run (tacking 1 of 3): And I just can't hide it...
Bull Run (tacking 2 of 3): I think I'm losing control...
Bull Run (tacking 3 of 3): And I think I like it!!!
The girl LOVED that series of texts because it was unique and different and subcommunicated that I had enough interest in her to take the time to write all of these texts. Keep in mind, that when I tack a girl it's usually because she has complied in some way to me.
Tacking works well for me, because when I first meet women I set up the frame that I'm that funny, crazy guy that will say and do anything at any moment and am FULL of surprises. Tacking is 100% congruent to that frame. Which brings me to my next comment....
[quote1248100905=Prodigy]also, is it ok to go sexual with her that quickly? i mean you made out with her the night before, so in essence, you have already started "seducing" her (in MM's classic definition) and for you, it was ok to do so...[/quote1248100905]
Absolutely! But, you have to have laid the ground work when you met her. You have got to build that frame of being fun loving and crazy and perverted/sexual when you FIRST meet her. You've got to go sexual IN PERSON. Women are interesting in that if you progress to certain level/stage with her, then you can go to that stage again as many times you see fit. For example, if you've fucked a girl and you haven't seen or talked to her for a few days/weeks and then you get back in touch with her and you get her in person then the mere fact that you've fucked her in the past means that sex will always be a possibility. Once you been there, you can do that again. If you go sexual in person, you can go sexual via text. The key is to go from sexual to funny to serious to crazy to sexual again. Don't just hammer her with sexuality, use it like you would a string dangling in front of a kitten (or pussy) you give it to them, then take it away, give and take. She'll love it when you give it to her, and she'll appreciate and WANT it more when you take it away.
You have got to go sexual as soon as possible and, this might be controversial, but I would recommend that you go sexual BEFORE kino. Seriously. Everyone thinks that kino is a sexual thing. The first step to sex. I don't believe this at all. Instead, I think kino is more a comfort thing than a sexual thing. If she touches you or lets you touch her that means she's comfortable with you, it doesn't mean she wants to fuck you. BUT, if you get talking and thinking about sex, then that's the FIRST step to sex and usually, at that point, your work is done. In other words, if she's thinking about sex with you, then she wants sex with you. Period. Even if she's telling herself that she doesn't want to have sex with you...actually that's exactly what you want her thinking because it means that she wants sex with you but has some level of shame and decency when it comes to fucking a random dude.
[quote1248100905=Prodigy]in my case, i have not kissed this girl nor have i made any sexual innuendos, so i think that by saying some of the things you said may be a little forward (unless i say it in a playful manner, and with text, you never know what is lost in translation)...[/quote1248100905]
Understood. But, again, I try to always kiss close a girl when I meet them. Always. Again, it sets the frame of sex early. And, although in our heads a kiss may seem innocent, to a woman it is, many times, not that at all.
Now, the key keeping your tone the right way via text are incredibly cheesy methods like:
1) Emoticons -- Swallow your pride and use them...it's cheesy, but it's one of the ONLY ways to communicate your tone via email/text.
2) Hahaha and LOL -- Use these as well to communicate a joke or that you thought what she said was funny, cheesy, I know but they're necessary. BUT, don't mix these with sexual undertones...use an emoticon instead, usually the ';)' or ':P' are the best when you're going sexual in a funny way.
3) That makes me sad -- I stole that line from Pylon8, it's an amazing line to subcommunicate that you didn't like what she said. So, if you go sexual and she doesn't comply, just follow up with...that makes me sad. It will get you out of a lot more shit than you can ever imagine.
[quote1248100905=Prodigy]i would definitely say some sexual things, but id rather say it in person so that i can laugh it off if she responds negatively...then" it was all just a joke"[/quote1248100905]
Again, set the 'I'm fun, crazy, sexual, and full of surprises' frame AND you can say ANYTHING your little heart desires. If she likes what you said, she'll think it was hot or sexy. If she doesn't like what you said, guess what? It was a joke and you're just being funny.
[quote1248100905=Prodigy]i think the next time we text, i will say that i just got home from th gym and my shoulders are sore and need a massage/ back rub. this would tie in to the night we met (she kept rubbing my back) and DHV. not to mention massages usually imply something sexual, or can easily lead to something sexual...[/quote1248100905]
If she responds with ok or says she'll rub your back or something of that nature, then you should follow up with this:
Prodigy: I think I pulled something in my crotchal region too...u'll get that too right :P
Notice I said something very innocuous by using the words 'crotchal region.' That phrase, in of itself, is funny. Again, it's up to her if she'll take the ball and run with it OR slap it down. You have to give her the option, you have to put it out there, otherwise she'll never get to make that decision.
I've found that women think it's funny and endearing. Imagine how a woman would feel if you took the time to write 3, 4, 5 responses to her message and you sent them one right after another, machine gun style. Bam, bam, bam, bam. Especially if you're being CUTE and FUNNY and CHARMING. Think about it, she gets a text and it's CUTE and FUNNY, maybe sexual...then, before she can respond she gets another that ties into the previous one that's cute and funny, maybe sexual...then, before she can respond she gets two more inline with that. I can PROMISE you that virtually every woman on the planet has not gotten a series of texts like the one that I outlined at the end of my 'Text Report.'
Now, the way to do it is to keep the texts short and simple. One liners work the best because it doesn't take a lot of work. It's easy to write 4 texts with 2 words in each text. But, I have in the past actually sent girls lyrics to commonly known songs. For example:
I made plans to have a girl come to my place and then we were going to walk over to The Granada to see a concert.
HB I Can't Remember Her Name: I'm so excited!!!
Bull Run (tacking 1 of 3): And I just can't hide it...
Bull Run (tacking 2 of 3): I think I'm losing control...
Bull Run (tacking 3 of 3): And I think I like it!!!
The girl LOVED that series of texts because it was unique and different and subcommunicated that I had enough interest in her to take the time to write all of these texts. Keep in mind, that when I tack a girl it's usually because she has complied in some way to me.
Tacking works well for me, because when I first meet women I set up the frame that I'm that funny, crazy guy that will say and do anything at any moment and am FULL of surprises. Tacking is 100% congruent to that frame. Which brings me to my next comment....
[quote1248100905=Prodigy]also, is it ok to go sexual with her that quickly? i mean you made out with her the night before, so in essence, you have already started "seducing" her (in MM's classic definition) and for you, it was ok to do so...[/quote1248100905]
Absolutely! But, you have to have laid the ground work when you met her. You have got to build that frame of being fun loving and crazy and perverted/sexual when you FIRST meet her. You've got to go sexual IN PERSON. Women are interesting in that if you progress to certain level/stage with her, then you can go to that stage again as many times you see fit. For example, if you've fucked a girl and you haven't seen or talked to her for a few days/weeks and then you get back in touch with her and you get her in person then the mere fact that you've fucked her in the past means that sex will always be a possibility. Once you been there, you can do that again. If you go sexual in person, you can go sexual via text. The key is to go from sexual to funny to serious to crazy to sexual again. Don't just hammer her with sexuality, use it like you would a string dangling in front of a kitten (or pussy) you give it to them, then take it away, give and take. She'll love it when you give it to her, and she'll appreciate and WANT it more when you take it away.
You have got to go sexual as soon as possible and, this might be controversial, but I would recommend that you go sexual BEFORE kino. Seriously. Everyone thinks that kino is a sexual thing. The first step to sex. I don't believe this at all. Instead, I think kino is more a comfort thing than a sexual thing. If she touches you or lets you touch her that means she's comfortable with you, it doesn't mean she wants to fuck you. BUT, if you get talking and thinking about sex, then that's the FIRST step to sex and usually, at that point, your work is done. In other words, if she's thinking about sex with you, then she wants sex with you. Period. Even if she's telling herself that she doesn't want to have sex with you...actually that's exactly what you want her thinking because it means that she wants sex with you but has some level of shame and decency when it comes to fucking a random dude.
[quote1248100905=Prodigy]in my case, i have not kissed this girl nor have i made any sexual innuendos, so i think that by saying some of the things you said may be a little forward (unless i say it in a playful manner, and with text, you never know what is lost in translation)...[/quote1248100905]
Understood. But, again, I try to always kiss close a girl when I meet them. Always. Again, it sets the frame of sex early. And, although in our heads a kiss may seem innocent, to a woman it is, many times, not that at all.
Now, the key keeping your tone the right way via text are incredibly cheesy methods like:
1) Emoticons -- Swallow your pride and use them...it's cheesy, but it's one of the ONLY ways to communicate your tone via email/text.
2) Hahaha and LOL -- Use these as well to communicate a joke or that you thought what she said was funny, cheesy, I know but they're necessary. BUT, don't mix these with sexual undertones...use an emoticon instead, usually the ';)' or ':P' are the best when you're going sexual in a funny way.
3) That makes me sad -- I stole that line from Pylon8, it's an amazing line to subcommunicate that you didn't like what she said. So, if you go sexual and she doesn't comply, just follow up with...that makes me sad. It will get you out of a lot more shit than you can ever imagine.
[quote1248100905=Prodigy]i would definitely say some sexual things, but id rather say it in person so that i can laugh it off if she responds negatively...then" it was all just a joke"[/quote1248100905]
Again, set the 'I'm fun, crazy, sexual, and full of surprises' frame AND you can say ANYTHING your little heart desires. If she likes what you said, she'll think it was hot or sexy. If she doesn't like what you said, guess what? It was a joke and you're just being funny.
[quote1248100905=Prodigy]i think the next time we text, i will say that i just got home from th gym and my shoulders are sore and need a massage/ back rub. this would tie in to the night we met (she kept rubbing my back) and DHV. not to mention massages usually imply something sexual, or can easily lead to something sexual...[/quote1248100905]
If she responds with ok or says she'll rub your back or something of that nature, then you should follow up with this:
Prodigy: I think I pulled something in my crotchal region too...u'll get that too right :P
Notice I said something very innocuous by using the words 'crotchal region.' That phrase, in of itself, is funny. Again, it's up to her if she'll take the ball and run with it OR slap it down. You have to give her the option, you have to put it out there, otherwise she'll never get to make that decision.
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by Guest » Wed Jul 22, 2009 11:40 am
[quote1248280547=Bull Run]
3) That makes me sad -- I stole that line from Pylon8, it's an amazing line to subcommunicate that you didn't like what she said. So, if you go sexual and she doesn't comply, just follow up with...that makes me sad. It will get you out of a lot more shit than you can ever imagine.
[/quote1248280547]
Can you explain more the rationale behind this. Admittedly I've never tried it, but I can see it backfriring in certain situations.
3) That makes me sad -- I stole that line from Pylon8, it's an amazing line to subcommunicate that you didn't like what she said. So, if you go sexual and she doesn't comply, just follow up with...that makes me sad. It will get you out of a lot more shit than you can ever imagine.
[/quote1248280547]
Can you explain more the rationale behind this. Admittedly I've never tried it, but I can see it backfriring in certain situations.
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by Guest » Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:00 pm
[quote1248281944=Fuzz]
[quote1248280547=Bull Run]
3) That makes me sad -- I stole that line from Pylon8, it's an amazing line to subcommunicate that you didn't like what she said. So, if you go sexual and she doesn't comply, just follow up with...that makes me sad. It will get you out of a lot more shit than you can ever imagine.
[/quote1248280547]
Can you explain more the rationale behind this. Admittedly I've never tried it, but I can see it backfriring in certain situations.
[/quote1248281944]
Can you provide a case in which you think it might backfire? I've used it in many, many different ways and situations and it has also worked incredibly well for me.
[quote1248280547=Bull Run]
3) That makes me sad -- I stole that line from Pylon8, it's an amazing line to subcommunicate that you didn't like what she said. So, if you go sexual and she doesn't comply, just follow up with...that makes me sad. It will get you out of a lot more shit than you can ever imagine.
[/quote1248280547]
Can you explain more the rationale behind this. Admittedly I've never tried it, but I can see it backfriring in certain situations.
[/quote1248281944]
Can you provide a case in which you think it might backfire? I've used it in many, many different ways and situations and it has also worked incredibly well for me.
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by Guest » Wed Jul 22, 2009 12:47 pm
[quote1248284391=Bull Run]
[quote1248281944=Fuzz]
[quote1248280547=Bull Run]
3) That makes me sad -- I stole that line from Pylon8, it's an amazing line to subcommunicate that you didn't like what she said. So, if you go sexual and she doesn't comply, just follow up with...that makes me sad. It will get you out of a lot more shit than you can ever imagine.
[/quote1248280547]
Can you explain more the rationale behind this. Admittedly I've never tried it, but I can see it backfriring in certain situations.
[/quote1248281944]
Can you provide a case in which you think it might backfire? I've used it in many, many different ways and situations and it has also worked incredibly well for me.
[/quote1248284391]
Hmmmmm.....maybe it's just that I've dealt recently with too many girls who like to have the upperhand in these sort of things for the sake of their ego, and a statement like "That makes me sad" might come off as very weak in the eyes of these kind of women. Maybe I'm just reading it too much as a sign of weakness?
[quote1248281944=Fuzz]
[quote1248280547=Bull Run]
3) That makes me sad -- I stole that line from Pylon8, it's an amazing line to subcommunicate that you didn't like what she said. So, if you go sexual and she doesn't comply, just follow up with...that makes me sad. It will get you out of a lot more shit than you can ever imagine.
[/quote1248280547]
Can you explain more the rationale behind this. Admittedly I've never tried it, but I can see it backfriring in certain situations.
[/quote1248281944]
Can you provide a case in which you think it might backfire? I've used it in many, many different ways and situations and it has also worked incredibly well for me.
[/quote1248284391]
Hmmmmm.....maybe it's just that I've dealt recently with too many girls who like to have the upperhand in these sort of things for the sake of their ego, and a statement like "That makes me sad" might come off as very weak in the eyes of these kind of women. Maybe I'm just reading it too much as a sign of weakness?
- Guest
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