quasi introspective rant. much better than hw.

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TD- whats your definition of Alpha then?
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i was thinking more along the lines of the intangibles....presence, etc, that i wouldn't see how that could be conveyed through text is all...

(not trying to be argumentative...) but curious how you would pick up alphaness via forum?

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[quote1236358057=Acuity]Could you even imagine Obama "constantly attempting to show the world he's the king?"[/quote1236358057]


Are you kidding? That's all he's been doing. Waiving his dick around as he takes us to European Socialism...

Anyway:

Self-awareness very often destroys what you have just become aware of. Confident people don't 'think' they're confident, because a truly confident person doesn't have to say that to themselves, they just are. Once a man is aware of his humility, he no longer is humble. And, the same holds true for Alpha. If you state you're alpha, then you truly are not.
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Unless of course you point out the fact that someone has said "if you point out you're alpha, you're truly not." and then claim to be alpha, like me, then they are truly are. :)

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"Alphaness", I think, can be conveyed through a forum, or text.

"Alpha" is a habit. "Alpha" has qualities and traits that a person can readily identify. BR does this all the time, but when you pick out one thing out of what a person posts and leave out the rest, that's being alpha via text because you are controlling the conversation.

Questions are great at conveying "alphaness" via text, in your previous question TD, you asked someone to blatantly qualify. This is me being "beta", by answering or taking the "justifying" position in a frame.

but here's the real question, does me being right about this make me alpha over you now, even though I just "beta'd" myself and answered your question? Is one of us more "beta" surely because you're hung like a horse and I, like a mouse, that makes you more alpha.

So as it stands, absurdifying the situation turns out to be a tactic as well.

"Alpha" is a state of mind, it can be defined by a behavior, or emotion but essentially it comes from being selfish and right.

BR and I have had tiffs but we also kiss and make up. There have been things, I'm sure, I have posted that BR has read and thought "That fucker's challenging me." In regards to me, posting against what he says. Just like there's been times where he's posted something and I've been like, "That fucker's challenging me."

BR is an alpha guy, alpha qualities exude competition, the desire to take. Alpha can be translated via text through competition.

All this aside though, blatantly challenging someone or "starting a fight" can be an issue. IF the other person answers the challenge, they have just lowered themselves to that persons level and they are fighting for level 3 of the social ladder.

My take on this is as follows:

There are different tiers to social hierarchies. These tiers involve certain aspects but lets start off on tier 1, that's high school per se. Where you just get out of school and you are what your social status was there, but in the real world. Whether it's the computer geek, jock, beauty queen, etc.. You get out, and realize that you aren't shit in the grand scheme of things. SO you either assert yourself or become complacent. Lets skip ahead to Level 5. You have mid level management, you either become complacent or trudge on, this is where you find the people that like to control their little aspect of their little world and poke and point at their little minions. Tell people what to do because they can and it makes them feel "alpha". They finally have something they can control since getting out of high school. Level 7 Upper management, Ceo's they realize the power at their finger tips. They realize their minions are their bitches, if they should want it that way, but they realize that people work better when they feel they are in control of themselves and their environment. So they do a little jig and play on that power and let people think they are in control. "Alpha" in their own right. (missing levels, etc, but you get the point, and these arent exact levels just here to illustrate)

My definition of alpha is. Being in control of ones actions while taking in information and then acting according to your own goals.

Now depending on where you are on this little social hierarchy ladder, is going to determine a certain level of "alphaness" expected. Do people argue with you? Do they bend to your will? All questions that can be answered via text in how people reply to you. It certainly may be hard to convey "alphaness" via text but not impossible.

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[quote1236362368=UncleHOwie]
TD- whats your definition of Alpha then?
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i was thinking more along the lines of the intangibles....presence, etc, that i wouldn't see how that could be conveyed through text is all...

(not trying to be argumentative...) but curious how you would pick up alphaness via forum?

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Ahh ok, I can understand where you are coming from now! Those "intangibles" would certainly convey alpha traits.

I think you can also define "Alpha" by one's personality that comes through on a forum. I'll take Bull Run for example! lol, hope I'm not offending him. But he's a guy with some definite alpha characteristics that surface through his personality he displays on this forum.

When I think of "alpha" here's what comes to mind with BullRun from what I've observed on this forum:

-Leader(helps steer this forum in the right direction by offering his advice/input. Helps promote dallaslair, took a strong stance on not posting pics of girls we've gamed on here and directed the situation as he saw fit)
-Experienced(knows pua very well)
-Doesn't back down when challenged.
-Accountable
-Confident
-Respected
-Dominant
-Rarely needs acceptance, permission, or approval.

All of these traits/characteristics I've seen come out of him from this forum.

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no one here knows me, and as this was an adderall induced rant originaly, i questioned if i was being to real in versing my self actualization discoveries. the first posts in response, especially coolplayers was not what i was looking for but apparently he out-alphad me.i think you are spot on finesse, but i acknowledge that you and br do not intentionally vie for alpha roles in this forum but instead are stubborn when you hold something to be true, and therefore stick to your beliefs for the sake of debate and persuasion. that is different than simply trying to become alpha, though if you grew into it i would believe that it was the confidence in yourself that you developed along the way to stick to your beliefs and atriculate them persuasivly. i agree that when you overthink thinks, as i am known to do in certain states you can fall down a rabit hole and go into circles. from the other side of things though does anyone else believe they may be predisposed to "alpha" out of personality development or genetics perhaps?

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[quote1236378120=UncleHOwie]
[quote1236371419=TopDog]
[quote1236362368=UncleHOwie]
TD- whats your definition of Alpha then?
[/quote1236362368]

i was thinking more along the lines of the intangibles....presence, etc, that i wouldn't see how that could be conveyed through text is all...

(not trying to be argumentative...) but curious how you would pick up alphaness via forum?

[/quote1236371419]

Ahh ok, I can understand where you are coming from now! Those "intangibles" would certainly convey alpha traits.

I think you can also define "Alpha" by one's personality that comes through on a forum. I'll take Bull Run for example! lol, hope I'm not offending him. But he's a guy with some definite alpha characteristics that surface through his personality he displays on this forum.

When I think of "alpha" here's what comes to mind with BullRun from what I've observed on this forum:

-Leader(helps steer this forum in the right direction by offering his advice/input. Helps promote dallaslair, took a strong stance on not posting pics of girls we've gamed on here and directed the situation as he saw fit)
-Experienced(knows pua very well)
-Doesn't back down when challenged.
-Accountable
-Confident
-Respected
-Dominant
-Rarely needs acceptance, permission, or approval.

All of these traits/characteristics I've seen come out of him from this forum.

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gotcha...i can see this perspective on this. Agree.

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I think a lot of guys here confuse being "alpha" with being an ass, fine by me I don't affiliate with people who act like that (comes off weak) Overall I think someone who is Alpha is someone who is confident and accepts themselves that they do not feel threatened by other people that they have to try and act like a "lampshade."

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[quote1236387303=UncleHOwie]
[quote1236371419=TopDog]
[quote1236362368=UncleHOwie]
TD- whats your definition of Alpha then?
[/quote1236362368]

i was thinking more along the lines of the intangibles....presence, etc, that i wouldn't see how that could be conveyed through text is all...

(not trying to be argumentative...) but curious how you would pick up alphaness via forum?

[/quote1236371419]

Ahh ok, I can understand where you are coming from now! Those "intangibles" would certainly convey alpha traits.

I think you can also define "Alpha" by one's personality that comes through on a forum. I'll take Bull Run for example! lol, hope I'm not offending him. But he's a guy with some definite alpha characteristics that surface through his personality he displays on this forum.

When I think of "alpha" here's what comes to mind with BullRun from what I've observed on this forum:

-Leader(helps steer this forum in the right direction by offering his advice/input. Helps promote dallaslair, took a strong stance on not posting pics of girls we've gamed on here and directed the situation as he saw fit)
-Experienced(knows pua very well)
-Doesn't back down when challenged.
-Accountable
-Confident
-Respected
-Dominant
-Rarely needs acceptance, permission, or approval.

All of these traits/characteristics I've seen come out of him from this forum.

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Thank you.

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no one here knows me, and as this was an adderall induced rant originaly, i questioned if i was being to real in versing my self actualization discoveries. the first posts in response, especially coolplayers was not what i was looking for but apparently he out-alphad me.i think you are spot on finesse, but i acknowledge that you and br do not intentionally vie for alpha roles in this forum but instead are stubborn when you hold something to be true, and therefore stick to your beliefs for the sake of debate and persuasion. that is different than simply trying to become alpha, though if you grew into it i would believe that it was the confidence in yourself that you developed along the way to stick to your beliefs and atriculate them persuasivly. i agree that when you overthink thinks, as i am known to do in certain states you can fall down a rabit hole and go into circles. from the other side of things though does anyone else believe they may be predisposed to "alpha" out of personality development or genetics perhaps?
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Touched a nerve I see...

I did this on purpose sir. And I certainly wasn't trying to out alpha you. Like you said you don't know anyone on here. If you came out with us you would see I actually DLV myself quite a bit around the group.

I wanted you to think about what I said so you would view alpha a little differently. You may have not picked up on that in my post which is unfortunate.

Goodluck

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Obsessing about who's more alpha than what will make you paranoid and somewhat weird. If you think this might be you, step away from the computer...go do something else for a while