A Natural That Inspired Me

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Let’s call him Mike. He was a natural I knew and looked up to before I got into the community, although a lot of what he did seemingly ran contrary to accepted community standards. To describe him to you, I’d have to quote a good friend of mine who once said, “Mike is exactly like a girl.” He was super effeminate. Had the pretense of sensitivity about him. Soft voice, small and skinny. He was self-deprecating and not much about him screamed leader of men. Nevertheless women swooned over how cute he was.

I knew Mike from a very early age and he developed at a much slower pace than most children so he always looked much smaller and younger than he was. So women of all ages were always looking at this little guy and saying, “oooh how cute!” And in those days he was, and learned early on how to use it to his advantage. The thing is, after high school, long after his sweet and innocent phase eventually passed, he never discarded that frame and never really changed his mentality much, which is why he continued to do well with women, even though he wasn’t the cute little kid anymore, and in fact not even at all really physically attractive in older age.

Mike moved out of town long before I got started trying to change my life so it’s difficult for me to compare his game with the accepted practices of PU, but I do have a few theories on why his game worked.

1. He was genuinely non-threatening. Automatic disqualifier. Women met him and thought he wasn’t interested in sex and this would immediately disarm them.

2. He always dressed outrageously but with a sense of style. Peacoking before I knew what it was. He’d be surrounded by tons of women while other badly dressed men called him a faggot.

3. He was insincere. I knew him well enough to know the depth of his assholeism. The quiet sensitive guy he actually was not, but he always tried to portray himself that way around women. The problem was he usually had this sinister grin, and maybe a glint in his eye that seemed to negate the sensitive guy shtick. I can’t remember any one time where a girl tried to call him out on it, thy all seemed to buy it in fact, but I find that the sinister grin/insincerity thing has been very valuable in my own game. Smiling that way and making statements like “I’m not a player,” or “I’m not going to kiss you at all tonight” has helped me immeasurably. Thing is, while it’s only a small part of my overall game, it was probably the cornerstone of his. He would go as far as to not use swear words like “pussy” or “dick” in front of anyone, male or female. Really, he had a difficult time referring to male or female genitals and it probably helped make him seem like that naïve little kid all the girls loved. The kicker was that he was not prudish at all personally (fucked lots of girls) and actually talked about sex quite a lot with women, but always with naïve childish terminology and frame.

4. His conversations were very female friendly. He talked about sex and past relationships, and other women. His biggest DHV was that he was always talking about other women, and it made it seem like he got tons of women (he did). Though because he was playing the sensitive guy role, he was never crude about it and never stepped over the line. He never came off as try hard or like a player. Instead he had incredible rapport with women and could connect with them on a level most guys couldn’t.

5. He had TONS of female friends and a lot of them in fact were “just friends.” We all know the AFC stereotype of the guy who can’t get laid and women always make him their friend. He’s a shoulder to cry on, he’s in essence another girl. That wasn’t Mike at all but he probably benefited a lot from that stereotype. If there was a girl’s night out, some all-girl activity, he was the only guy who was ever invited. He was a lot like the gay friend. Part of his success in this region I think had to do with the fact that he was often the guy who decided it was “just friends.” You cold tell certain women were really attracted to him even though they might have been in other relationships or thought he was too cool. He never really chased after these kind of girls, as his game was too passive, but he kept them around, and that made him seem more attractive to other women. He never had to worry about oneitis, because there were women all around for him to choose from, so he never seemed eager for any one girl, and always played it cool. It should also be noted that he never went to bars or other such public gatherings. He didn’t have to. He’d meet girls through all his different girlfriends. It was a system that really worked for him.

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I look back at what my natural friends did. I learned a lot from rehashing what they would do to find success.

I believe seeing what naturals or advanced PUA's do can really catapult your game. It defintely gets you to where you wanna be quicker.

Anyone not watching and learning from those around you are no doubt giving themselves an uphill climb.

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so uh.... you sure im not that guy?

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[quote1226132212=Solace]
so uh.... you sure im not that guy?
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Lol you might be the guy he was talking about.

If so here is my question.

How do you have a girl who is just your friend. I have tried very hard for this to happen yet it never does. For some reason I always sleep with her.

What is the secret?

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[quote1226132212=Solace]
so uh.... you sure im not that guy?
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Lol you might be the guy he was talking about.

If so here is my question.

How do you have a girl who is just your friend. I have tried very hard for this to happen yet it never does. For some reason I always sleep with her.

What is the secret?
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Hang out with smirks enough and youll find out LMAO!! Ok low blow, i suck at life

I only say this because in his pre pickup days he was quite good at this or so i was told. Any AFC who goes out and has hooters girls hangin all over him, sitting on his lap, and loving him has a solid base to work off of. (this was outside of hooters btw)

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Shows that no book can tell you what the right way to treat women is, the right way to treat women is the one that works for you.

I really think its better to not fake being something though. You said mike was actually an asshole, yet he acted like the nicest guy ever. I like to tell girls straight up that I'm an asshole, but deep down I have a nice side. This is honest and true and I don't have to fake anything.
If you are living on a foundation of lies and someone figures out one of them then your entire foundation will crumble. If you are living on a foundation of truth and someone else finds out you are truthful then your entire foundation will be strengthened, plus you have to have a bitchin memory to keep track of a bunch of lies.

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I really think its better to not fake being something though. You said mike was actually an asshole, yet he acted like the nicest guy ever. I like to tell girls straight up that I'm an asshole, but deep down I have a nice side. This is honest and true and I don't have to fake anything.
If you are living on a foundation of lies and someone figures out one of them then your entire foundation will crumble. If you are living on a foundation of truth and someone else finds out you are truthful then your entire foundation will be strengthened, plus you have to have a bitchin memory to keep track of a bunch of lies.
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Its interesting how many people I hear swear by the idea of just being honestly truthful with women in alot of different situations.
Might be something to that idea....:

UncleHowie:
"...Do be straight up honest with her. I'll bet she's already picked up on your change of feelings for her. Women tend to be pretty sharp at that stuff..."
[url]http://www.dallaslair.org/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?23055.0#post_23090[/url]

Playercool:
"...Let her know straight up I have no interest in a relationship. Whether you do or don't this statement is so fucking powerful. For one it puts her at ease. Two it makes her pursue you. Yes psychologically this messes with her. People want what they can't have..."
[url]http://www.dallaslair.org/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?22968.0#post_22985[/url]

Vector:
"...1. Always be honest. In my experience they will not stop seeing you just because you are upfront about being non-exclusive...."
[url]http://www.dallaslair.org/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?24294.0#post_24334[/url]

Grimm:
"...If you want to break up, be honest about it and thank goodness she has girl friends to go cry to..."
[url]http://www.dallaslair.org/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?23055.0#post_23177[/url]

Bull Run:
"...just be honest about how you feel. That's all you can ever do in this world...stay true to yourself, everything else is simply out of your control..."
[url]http://www.dallaslair.org/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?23055.0#post_23070[/url]

Sal Paradise:
"...As far as dating multiple girls, if they ask you be honest..."
[url]http://www.dallaslair.org/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?22742.0#post_22754[/url]

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I believe this should answer your question..

Platonic or Promiscuos Intentions: DRAWING THE LINE A recurring question guys ask me is: "How do you create a pivot? Should I abstain from sex with my pivot? Does that ruin the relationship if I do have sex with her?" This is a very iffy topic so let me answer the questions and explain my theories.Q: Should you abstain from sexing up your pivot? A: learn to read the situation.Do not sex your pivot before actually getting her used to doing her duties. Take her out with you lay down the rules and tell her what is expected and talk with her as if she were just a cool guy with boobs. This will accustom her to your views and beliefs regarding relationships and will assist in implanting the idea in her head that you are not looking for a serious/ monogamous relationship. Once she has grown accustomed to this she will often still pursue sex with you and it is understood that she must continue to uphold the duties that she was signed on to accomplish. Learn to calibrate the girls you choose for a pivot and remember that she is your/ a new wing. Be as honest with her as you would your closest friends and the vibe will be solid enough to withstand the trials that sexuality might place on a normal relationship.Remember do not sex her before she knows her role. This could be detrimental. If you tell her that you want her to help you pick up girls and that there is no sex involved and then you have sex with her before she pivots, then it appears as if you manipulated her to get her in bed and she either now sees you as deceptive or as the next guy she will invest in emotionally. Neither of those are that great!Another thing you will need to establish before you can create pivots successfully is a strong identity with yourself and a strong comfort with your own replication value. I use to have a problem when it came to creating pivots. The problem was that even though I knew I wanted to make a girl my pivot I couldnt stop thinking about how i wanted to sex her. The problem wears its self out in time. I became comfortable with the fact that I knew I was going to always be able to find a sexual partner thus I did not have to have sexual relations with all my girl-friends. If you want to have sex with her then make her your target. Do not beat around the bush by trying to put her in the pivot catergory if you want to sleep with her. This only confuses your game-plan and elicits insecurities through mis-calibrated actions. Posted by Solace at 5:12 PM

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