About matador

[Guest]

I got to see one of the "keys to the vip" episode. It was Max vs. Matador. I will admit Matador has a ridiculous game. He got 3 out of 3, and all of 'em are super attracted to him within very few minutes. They were attracted to him not normally as they would with most guys out there. Now, I am not saying matador's game is crap or anything. I think he got the extreme game and confidence. I didn't know how he looked until I saw the episode. He was just another really good looking guy with muscular body that most females find very attractive. I think his look and body type has a lot to do with his game. I came to an conclusion that... your looks DO matter. If your face and body is attractive, u need a small game and would still get lots hott pussies. However, if ur face and body don't follow meet the prototype expectation, then your game has to be fuckin good. I mean like a master level game. That is prolly why most super good looking guys don't even bother seeking a community like this. You wouldn't see good lookin model guys being active and shit on community like this. So what are your opinions on matador? Are you guys still thinking that super good looking guy and not that attractive guy needs same game level for same quality girls?

[Guest]

sleek, i think youve mistaken matador...the matador that runs game with mystery is not the same one from keys to the vip.

if this is the matador youre talking about, hes not the matador that was on vh1's the "pick up artist"

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mclqdEx8IUM[/url]

[Guest]

Yep let's not get that confused.

I don't think I have ever seen anyone as bad as that Max guy. Geeze he was horrible. I couldn't even watch him it made me cringe.

To answer your question:

A guy with good looks usually has some natural ability. Why? Well because growing up he had girls wanting to talk to him and go out with him in school. Then this just progressed as he gets older and it never goes away assuming his looks remain in tact. With that being said a good looking guy is usually already good with women. He is confident since he has pulled plenty of times and this shows. Does a good looking guy have better results if he knows game? Yes! Abosolutely. Does he need as much game as someone who is not as good looking? Nope sure doesn't. Why? Well because he can build attraction very quick using his looks. In fact he can skip that phase almost immediately since attraction has already been accomplished by just standing there. Other than this there are plenty of reasons why a good looking guy would still benefit from the community.

Does a not so good looking guy need more game? Yep and in fact that is the main reason this community exists. That is the bread and butter for Mystery and other teachers. But you can do some things to overcome what you lack in the looks department. I personally think style is about the best thing you can do for yourself. Other than this yeah your game needs to be solid. You need Way more game then a good looking guy.

[Guest]

I think a whole book could be written on this. I have dated some very attractive women and I don't consider myself all that attractive. Women don't usually chase after me. Looks make it easier. I say do what you can to improve your looks.......exercise, grooming dress all that stuff will help. My opinion is that in general women don't care about looks as much as men do about theirs.....but that doesn't mean it doesn't matter. Women aren't all the same when it comes to this. Other things do matter a lot. It's just one thing.

My last girlfriend was very beautiful. She loved to country dance.......and I'm really good at it. Her father was from France - I speak french. We had a lot in common. It wasn't a magic pickup line or looks that got her....but a genuine connection.

I have noticed a lot of PUA material being sold by guys that seem to be attractive or at least decent looking. I don't know how well Ross Jefferies' stuff works, but he does make the argument that his stuff works for guys who aren't attractive and he admits he's ugly.

I think if you can be interesting then you probably can overcome a deficiency in the looks department.

I've seen hot chicks that often date ugly dudes and I've seen some that are super picky in looks department. It always makes me a little happy to see a hot chick with an average or below average looking guy. I don't think you can know how shallow a girl is before you talk to her.

[Guest]

All this pua game does is help build initial attraction. It gets your foot in the door. Its up to you to take it to the next step and that comes from whats inside of you as a person. Pulling girls and keeping them are two different things!

I don't think women value looks as highly as men do.

[Guest]

I met Matador and Mystery in 2006. I don't know who is on the Keys to The VIP. I think Cajun is good.
However, those videos are like watching the fishing show. They wait until they get a good set and then showcase their best sets.
As far as the real Matador went, he was really extremely alpha but I got the feeling that he was insecure about things.
The thing about being "In Charge" all the time is that you have to worry about everything.

At my MM bootcamp, I #closed a girl and was talking to her. I introduced her to Matador and he basically stole the girl and did his kino thing to demo to everyone. Not following wing rules - just take the girl. Not cool.

He and I got into it and had some words. I think the guy is a blow hard and a jackass.

As far as looks go, yes. The better looking guys don't have to work as hard. The overweight or geeky guys have to work harder and smarter.

Just remember one thing, ok. Women are the gate keepers. Its their choice. If they like you then you're in. That's why I keep harping on persistence and opportunity.

An older friend of mine got laid this weekend by a hottie goth girl from Portland.
He was her tour guide in Fort Worth and Dallas. He ended up meeting her at a Barnes and Noble and then wound up at Lizard Lounge and then they got a hotel room.

This girl was available. She was from out of town. She wanted to have some fun and she wanted a man.
And my friend was there.

[Guest]

I think men are attracted to looks and women to type.

For example, we all have our types but men will be more likely to stray from our type if the girl is hot. I prefer brunettes, slender, small waist, big butt, smaller breasts, dark complexion, and glasses. That is my type. But, I've dated all kinds of women...I prefer women that look like the above but if you're beautiful you still have just as good of a chance as my type.

Women aren't as flexible with respect to type but they are with respect to quality of looks. If a woman prefers guys that are muscular, dark features, dark hair, nice smile, etc. and you possess those qualities then how good looking you are isn't that big of a deal. Women will rarely stray away from their type, but they will stray away from looks as long as you fit her type set.

I would contend that a guy that's a 10 but out of a girl's type has the same shot with her as a guy that's a 6 but fits her type.

[Guest]

Seems like mystery's matador doesn't have a good reputation.
this is what other pua said about mystery's matador


"I don't know about the dude.... I just hear stories. Here's one from some dude:

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I want this post to be for XXXX Lair eyes only.

*Troy vs Matador*

I was in Los Angeles getting with my good friend, Troy. I decided to take
him to this Super club that had a patio, a dining area, bottle service area,
and a dance area. Its the perfect place if you want to run game as there
were a lot of key isolation areas.

We did our warm ups, mingled til the clock hit somewhere around 12:00. Now
clubs in LA open at 10pm and they close 2am, Whenever the clock hits 12:00
the crowd changes, the game changes and you recalibrate.

That night I was so exhausted, I decided to retreat from the dancefloor and
head to the patio. There was some sort of commotion but it was mostly dudes
gathering. I inspected and I saw Matador, Kosmo and Joe D and a Pivot. I
acted indifferent towards them and observed how they operate.

It was classic Mystery Method. Matador was gaming this chic, Kosmo was
running some routine on a group, and Joe D was talking with his Girl(Pivot.)

Now. I was wondering if I should bother Troy and tell him about the Venusian
Arts crew?

But then... Troy is already running solid game on his chic and he was
already in the dancefloor. And usually Troy + Dancefloor = Game over.

But alas, deep from the bowels of the dancefloor came Troy, He approached me
and asked me how I am doing, I pointed towards the . crew. And
told him "Matador, Kosmo and Joe D are here!"

Troy suddenly got excited and headed to the area where the . crew was.

Matador was gaming this tall girl with ample bossoms. Troy came in and
talked to a group just beside them, he was in quick isolation and then
amazingly what seemed like Matador lost the tall girl's interest. Troy
stepped up and shifted his attention towards her.

And Matador decided to open this babe close to Troy making them elbow to
elbow.

It was eye opening to watch what is really necessary in pick up.

Matador was doing all the work with his girl.

Troy was sharing the work with the girl.

Whenever Matador's girl would talk, he'd shut her up and proceed to run his
own game. Troy would just shut up and Vacuum. And the girl would be more
enthusiastic about expressing herself which creates a high point.

Matador eventually loses the girl and decides to try to steal Troy's set.

He does this I dunno how to explain attention grabbing Magic body movement
where he did a one legged kneel then extended his arm and made this kung fu
like action, the girls stared at Matador but looked back at Troy again as
they proceeded to talk about themselves.

I was in between Matador and Troy so I heard what went on. Matador's DHVs,
Troy's DQs, the stories of Troy's set.

Troy kissed closed his girl and Matador started to distance.

I wish I caught everything on Camera."

[Guest]

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I think men are attracted to looks and women to type.

For example, we all have our types but men will be more likely to stray from our type if the girl is hot. I prefer brunettes, slender, small waist, big butt, smaller breasts, dark complexion, and glasses. That is my type. But, I've dated all kinds of women...I prefer women that look like the above but if you're beautiful you still have just as good of a chance as my type.

Women aren't as flexible with respect to type but they are with respect to quality of looks. If a woman prefers guys that are muscular, dark features, dark hair, nice smile, etc. and you possess those qualities then how good looking you are isn't that big of a deal. Women will rarely stray away from their type, but they will stray away from looks as long as you fit her type set.

I would contend that a guy that's a 10 but out of a girl's type has the same shot with her as a guy that's a 6 but fits her type.
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This is fucking true. Whereas I'm sure it was recognized as such by most people on here, I think it went over the heads of a few pinheads on here so I'm gonna quote it and also rephrase it.

The majority of girls have certain "types" that they are more attracted to. One extreme example. When I was in college, this girl on my floor who lived two doors down, Holly, was probably the hottest girl at the University of Miami. Holy crap this girl was hot. EVERY guy on campus tried to get with her. Every cool guy you can imagine. Even the friggin quarterback of our then-national champion team tried to get with her. Hell, I took my then-AFC shot at her and landed in the friend zone. We went to Miami clubs, and every Miami player left and right would try to hit on this girl.

Who did she date, the entire time?

Slightly chunky computer geeky guys in engineering school with rosy cheeks. Yup. She she dated exactly 3 of them about a month to two months each. SHe had 110% control of the relationships. If they did ANYTHING to piss her off, she'd kick him to the curb. It fucking baffled nearly every guy. But that was her type. Now she's married to a computer engineer, slightly chunky, with rosy cheeks.

Good observation man.


I'll just add that a woman's type can for sure change over time, and usually it comes from daddy or some shit like that. Also, i think the younger the girl, the less weight is put on type and the more is with general looks because she's still discovering herself.

[Guest]

I met Matador in December 2007 in Vegas. It was me and friends Stacy and Robert. We were hanging out at studio 54 and I am just walking around and just being social. Mator and Mystery enter with their students. Matador start following me.By hat I mean he only talked to sets that I opened. I would come in and start the interaction and then he would get in and instead of helping me he was acting creepy and needy,in fact both him and mystery were acting miserable that night. I mean I dont have anything against those guys but he tried to destroy me and well he failed. Then Matador decided to hit on my freind Stacy.Well she shot his ass down and we were making fun of his fur coat(cant believe that mystery and matador still wear those coats).

So yeah Sleek I understand how that guys felt when some clown decided to ruing your interaction.