LMR

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What are some of your techniques to combat LMR?

I had this girl the other night who I had picked up, gave me LMR so I stopped everything, put my clothes back on, turned on the lights, and sent her on her way out. I was just more pissed than anything. Any ideas?

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you pushed her then you should have pulled again... not just let her go like that. Now she will think you only want her for sex. She will know you're mad, and you kicked her out because she didn't have sex with you.

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Damn dude, that was freaking drastic.

All you had to do was freeze her out a little bit. One of the things I do is turn on the lights, sit up in bed, grab a book from the nightstand, and start reading it.

She'll snuggle up next to you and will try to distract you from your book. Works wonders and if it doesn't, then just go to sleep, be sure to stay physically close to her (i.e. cuddle), then try again in the morning.

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Kung Fu Penis, google around for it, El Topo was the one to release its powers community wide. I do something a little different with mine, I just use it enough to make them want it, there are 2 frames with this technique, the cum craved bandit, where all she can think about is your penis and you juices filling every orifice on her frail little body or the I care about you but I am still going to remain dominant but your needs are important also frames.

Depends on how far you go with it. Ive used the latter of the two since high school and never really knew why. The cum bandit one is great for SNL's, which is part of my problem of having women that want to stick around, but thats a different story...

As mentioned the freeze out is a good one.

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Freeze outs work well. If you act distracted, like you've got something important to do the next day or start reading something, that usually works.

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Note that the reason Bull Run said what you did was drastic is because you made it blatantly clear that all you wanted was sex...and that's the last thing a woman is going to only be wanted for.

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Yeah you fucked up but big deal. You will learn from your mistakes. Listen to what these fellows have said and you will do much much better next time.

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A couple other things that I use frequently:

-When you start making out with her in a seduction location say "You are not getting laid tonight, but I am gonna tease you" (Finesse and El Fenix told me this one. It works well because you have taken pressure off the situation. Later on when things get hot and heavy if she says I thought we weren't having sex just tell her you can't help it because she seduced you).

-Take off your clothes first. Your shirt first then make out/tease her for awhile and then go for her shirt. Again continue teasing and then take off your pants. If your penis 'just happens' to be sticking out of your fly that is even better. Sometimes this will be enough to get her to suck you off. This method is good because it is much easier for her to stop you from taking of her clothes than for her to stop you from taking off yours.

-It almost goes without saying but just in case...you need to be teasing her while you are escalating. Don't just go for the the main goal off the bat. Make her want it. If you are going for her tits and you feel her start to tense up, move your hands off and go for somewhere she was more comfortable iwth before she takes your hands off. This way you can avoid some LMR and make her want it at the same time.

-Also, with the freeze outs make sure that you are acting like you don't care at all. I tend to start a completely unrelated story so there is no way she can mis perceive me as pouting. What you did wasn't really a freeze out, she probably thought you were really pissed and this was a turn off for her. But like PC said, don't beat yourself up just do it differently next time.

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You know, the more I think about it the more I don't think LMR truly exists the way we think it does.

Current PUA assertion:

LMR is nothing more than her getting cold feet before having sex with you. She still wants to, but you have to convince her that it's OK and that you're not going to think of her as a slut.

Bull Run says:

If you're getting LMR, she doesn't really want to have sex with you. This doesn't mean that you can't get her to have sex with you. Instead of convincing her it's OK to have sex with you, you're convincing her to have sex with you. This is something you shouldn't have to do at the last minute.

First, the fear of being a slut only applies to everyone else in the world. Women secretly want to be the object of a man's desire, they want to be your slut, they just don't want the world to know about it.

LMR is nothing more than her way of saying "hey, I like you but I don't really want to have sex with you...yet or maybe ever. I'm simply not convinced." I suppose I view this aspect of 'Game' in a very respectful manner. My belief is that if she's at your place and you've worked her up pretty well and she's ISN'T all over you then she doesn't want to have sex. Period, end of story.

Thinking back on all of the LMR I've been able to successfully diffuse I notice a pattern. The sex was almost always horrible. She wasn't really all that engaged because she didn't really want to have sex anyway.

When a woman WANTS to have sex with you, she's going to let you know. You're not going to have to do ANYTHING while you're alone. Instead, all your work will be on the front end before you ever get back to your place.

If you guys want to go out there trying to dismantle LMR to get a girl that doesn't really want to have sex with you but is caught up in a situation that becomes awkward when she says no then by all means go for it. I on the other hand would rather the sex be good and dynamic...this means that it's going to have to be her IDEA!

Fact is if you've got a day2 or just met the HB, she's going to decide whether or not she's going to have sex with you well before she ever gets to your place or to her place. The key with LMR, is to simply understand that when the two of you are at the club/dinner/museum/bar/etc you've got to get her to decide that she wants to fuck you while you're there. You've got to get her thinking "I'm not going to have sex with this guy."

Why would you want her to say she doesn't want to have sex with you?

Simple, if she doesn't want to have sex with you she's not going to even think about fucking you. Period. If she does want to have sex with you, she's going to tell herself that she shouldn't...she wants to, but she shouldn't. When you get a girl thinking about NOT having sex with you, you will get LAID! Women don't think in terms of "I'm going to fuck this guy" instead they think "I want to fuck this guy, but I shouldn't...yet." I refer to this way of thinking as the Catholic Guilt Syndrome. You're job is to show her that it's OK to have sex with you, but you have to do your work in the field not alone.

If you're getting LMR it's not because she needs you to take the blame, it's because you didn't do your job while you were out and about. You failed while the two of you were in the field. If you structure your 'dates' or day2s the correct way and if you make her think that you don't really want to have sex with her (use words to communicate that you don't, but body language, tonality, and eye contact to communicate that you do), you'll never have a problem with LMR because you'll have her thinking of fucking you before you ever get her home.

She's got to make the decision to fuck you while you're in public, not while you're alone together.

It's funny, but I really do think no means no. If she says no, I stop. Period. No more. Unless she starts things back up, which she will if she wants to have sex with you. It may seem like a beta move, or an AFC move. But I consider it something altogether different. I consider it a test of quality. If I hear no, then the chances are really high that this chick is simply going to suck in bed. Sexually dynamic women don't say no, they aren't indecisive, they know what they want and they jump in.

By stopping when she says no, I'm punishing her. By not escalating again, I'm punishing her. Now, she's got to do something positive to get me involved again. Otherwise, I simply walk away.

I've fuck closed just as many girls as I've gone to bed with and only slept with. If I get the slightest hint that you're going to be bad in bed, I simply stop trying. I'm not going to convince you to fuck me. She should already have been sold on the notion before she ever got in my bed.

In those cases, I'd rather just jerk it...

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BR I think you are right that in some cases LMR occurs because a girl does not want to fuck you. But I have also had pretty clear cut cases where the girl puts up LMR that is just token resistence. She wouldn't feel right without putting up some objection only to be totally into the sex later.