Nice guys finish last? (repost:thanks to Matrix Method)

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[quote1215804279=Bull Run]
[quote1215786449=El Fenix]You do have credibility in this society, and your well deserved vindication is coming.
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There is absolute truth in the first part...

But, their vindication will never come because they simply refuse to take control of a situation with women. That's why nice guys finish last, because they don't take a woman and lead her. Instead, they're waiting to be led by her. Women don't respect men that don't take control.

I went to an apartment opening last night, which by the way are always awesome, and I met a girl with a nice boy-friend.

She talked about how wonderful he is, how he goes out of his way for her all the time, how he's so sweet and kind and NICE!

Me: So, how's that working out for you?
Her: What, what do you mean?
Me: Do you ever get sick of him being so nice all the time?
Her: What? Why would you ever get sick of someone being nice all the time? (She directed this question to herself more than to me)
Me: I don't know, you tell me...
Her: Yeah, I guess I do. Sometimes I wish he would be more forceful.
Me: Girls like nice guys, but they don't respect them. And, women have to respect their man.

Then I followed up with my Strong, Sexual Man routine. Basically I tell them what traits they really want in a man, none of which are those of the nice guy. Basically, I describe an asshole or tool or douchebag or whatever it is that everyone else calls them.

Then, I went to the bar and got two drinks. I didn't bother to ask her what she wanted, this was my sutble way of following up my words with action...and I wasn't worried about wasting a drink cause it was free.

I knew she had a boyfriend but we ended up going up to her unit anyway. The nice guy boyfriend was probably sitting at home, by himself, thinking about how lucky he is to have her. I feel bad for the guy and shouldn't have nailed his girlfriend but if it wasn't me someone would have fucked her that night. Especially once I got her buying temperature up.
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The term boyfriend is very arbitrary and used inconsistently throught this thread. In the case of Bull Run's story her "boyfriend" is just some guy she is fucking. Most hotter girls (Bull Run doesn't specify) will have guys who are their "boyfriend" however it doesn't take long to figure out what the deal is there. Often they or their friends end up talking down the guy and admit she wants a different/new "boyfriend" (read penis) or whatever other bullshit comes out of their mouths. The intent is plain for all to see (at least to those who know what to look for). You are not convincing them of anything they didn't already want to do. Classic pickup.

For the most part a committed woman in love with a strong male will not respond to PUA tactics. This is as it should be IMO. Bad Karma to attempt seduction in this situation with so many open women to choose from.

Also there are a few inflated egos on this board.

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see...I have too big of a concience for something like that... I know how it feels to be the nice guy who never gets any play so when a nice guy finally gets his girl, I'm going to tear him down and screw his woman, and put their relationship in jeaprody? that's not cool...

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[quote1215805242=Alphagame]
Bullrun,

I've never seduced a married one yet, at least not that I know about, but I want to.

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Why? This is bad juju.

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[quote1215805296=Welsh_Dragon]

For the most part a committed woman in love with a strong male will not respond to PUA tactics. This is as it should be IMO. Bad Karma to attempt seduction in this situation with so many open women to choose from.

Also there are a few inflated egos on this board.
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I agree 100%.

This shit will never work on a woman that's with a man that she respects.

Hotter girls do tend to have 'boyfriends' that the fuck regularly. The girl from last night fits that category and I suspect that this guy is merely Mr. Right Now, otherwise she would have had no need for me.

I don't target taken girls, but it does come up and as such I believe you should be prepared.

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[quote1215806578=Bull Run]
[quote1215805296=Welsh_Dragon]

For the most part a committed woman in love with a strong male will not respond to PUA tactics. This is as it should be IMO. Bad Karma to attempt seduction in this situation with so many open women to choose from.

Also there are a few inflated egos on this board.
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I agree 100%.

This shit will never work on a woman that's with a man that she respects.

Hotter girls do tend to have 'boyfriends' that the fuck regularly. The girl from last night fits that category and I suspect that this guy is merely Mr. Right Now, otherwise she would have had no need for me.

I don't target taken girls, but it does come up and as such I believe you should be prepared.
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Fair enough. I would argue there are no specific tactics needed for "Pulling married or involved women" other than being able to relate to where they are coming from i.e. standard stuff. We can talk about leading until we are blue in the face however the true initiation always comes from the female. You just have to position yourself correctly, know what to look for and play along. Therein lies the secret.

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Along the lines of bad karma, it's frequently the 'nice guys' who end up snapping when they find out their wives are fucking some dude behind their back -- all that pent up shit-taking for so many years and all... last thing you need is to be part of (or victim to) a murder-suicide :) if you fuck enough girls with 'serious' boyfriends/husbands, especially if you make it more than a one night thing, eventually one of them is going to find out and fuck you up... bad juju indeed.

That's why it's best to keep it to just one night lol ;)

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[quote1215807640=Justice]
Along the lines of bad karma, it's frequently the 'nice guys' who end up snapping when they find out their wives are fucking some dude behind their back -- all that pent up shit-taking for so many years and all... last thing you need is to be part of (or victim to) a murder-suicide :) if you fuck enough girls with 'serious' boyfriends/husbands, especially if you make it more than a one night thing, eventually one of them is going to find out and fuck you up... bad juju indeed.

That's why it's best to keep it to just one night lol ;)
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I guess. But why even bother fucking those girls (note the distinction between serious bf and fuck buddy bf that all hot chicks have) - I would just next her. Sooo many opportunities and so little time why even mess with it? The screen is your friend (as women know well).

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++++fuck buddy bf that all hot chicks have++++

What's the theory on this? I'm guessing a lot of super hot chicks have a "nice" boyfriend who takes them out to fancy dinners and doesn't even try a kiss until the 4th date, AND they also have a FWB on the side that the real "boyfriend" doesn't know about?

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[quote1215808364=Alphagame]
++++fuck buddy bf that all hot chicks have++++

What's the theory on this? I'm guessing a lot of super hot chicks have a "nice" boyfriend who takes them out to fancy dinners and doesn't even try a kiss until the 4th date, AND they also have a FWB on the side that the real "boyfriend" doesn't know about?
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Most hot girls have at least one guy they fuck on the regular. She will call him her "boyfriend" (chick talk) however in reality she is just using him for a penis. They don't necessarily even really like the guy and a lot of times it is just some chode however he at least has some skillz (unlike most guys) and some balls in that he laid her i.e. not a complete douche or creepy or anything. This is just in my experience. A good example is the drug dealer guy - he is available, doesn't give a shit and gets high all the time so he is not weird, possessive, etc.. however he is just a placeholder until a cool guy (e.g. YOU) comes along. If you have chick friends you should already know this and have observed it for yourself.

She will likely also wheel this out as an excuse if a creepy guy gets too aggressive in hitting on her when in reality this excuse is pure bullshit. Just watch what women do - not what they say. It cracks me up to watch some guy guy blown out on the "boyfriend" crap when she should just be honest and tell him straight up she don't want his dick.

As an aside I find it interesing the things women screen for. Non-possessive is definitely way high up the list. You can learn a lot from women's screening tactics.

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I haven't seen one facet of life where the nice guy finishes on top! Women are a lot like dogs just never as loyal. You still have to pop their ass and keep them in line if you want any respect. When you quit leading them they'll turn on you.