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Re: Any thoughts on how to handle this?

Postby Bull Run » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:11 pm

ninjamatt wrote:A high % do care like bull run said, but some are skinny at 24 and by 28 they are thick or obese for various reasons and don't care b/c they think they are still hot b/c guys still hit on them. They like food and laziness, and don't have the drive or discipline to lose weight. Most think, "I'll start losing weight tomorrow but not today" and live in that mind frame almost all their lives but still fall in to BR's theory. Women's weight's are a real taboo subject so it comes down to both your goals and philosophies. Staying in shape is not easy for most people.



All true man. I'm a huge believer that men, through their attention or lack thereof, allow women to behave the way that they do. So, if men shower women with attention when they act like sluts, guess what? Women will be slutty. If men shower women with attention even when they're overweight, then women will be fat. Simple as that. Women are getting fatter and fatter today (so is the general population, but it's especially prevelant with women).

I for one believe that there must be consequences. The cost of a woman being fat should be that she is alone and doesn't get to experience love. This is the price that socially awkward, low value men pay...so, why don't women pay the same price?

As cruel as it is, I've routinely turned fat women down when they hit on me (via the Internet, in person, at bars, etc.) and tell them straight up that I'm not into fat women. I find it to be a personal afront that some fat chick can roll up to me and think that I would ever go for her. So, I react the way any one would react when they're greatly offended. I'm sure I've made a few cry, I know I've made a lot mad...but, so be it. If even ONE of them gets a fire under their tubby ass to lose some lbs then I've done mankind a service. AND, I cannot be blamed for being one of those men that allow women to behave poorly.

Women hold men to high social standards. Men must hold women to high behavioral standards as well. As a group, men have failed miserably at holding women accountable, this is why so few women are even tolerable to be around for any extended period of time.

But, back to the fat thing. The best ways to tell if a woman will remain thin for as long as she can are two fold 1) was she fat once and decided to lose weight? If so, she'll fight to never return to that lifestyle again because she knows how fucking miserable it is. 2) does she lift weights when she's at the gym? Most women run or do cardio or go to classes. All of that is useless for remaining fit for a long time. Women need to add muscle mass. They'll boost their metabolism and will be more firm and tight. The hottest women in the gym are always lifting weights. I'll fuck a chick that doesn't sling some iron but I'll never love one long term.
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Re: Any thoughts on how to handle this?

Postby Khaos » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:55 pm

Ditch her and go for another girl............ Or create a situation where she will see you with another girl and gauge her reaction to tell the level of interest.
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Re: Any thoughts on how to handle this?

Postby Khaos » Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:57 pm

Also i would like to add YOU DONT MAKE THE GIRLS DECISIONS. You be ASSERTIVE by making YOUR OWN DECISIONS.
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Re: Any thoughts on how to handle this?

Postby ninjamatt » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:26 am

wow! bullrun!! so poster the original term "I am going to the gym, I am trying to lose weight" right there I'm gonna try to back her in to the "are you saying I'm fat?!" corner which wouldn't be that hard and I think that's what she wanted you to do . then come back with something like "that's not a fair question, we'll talk about it later"
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Re: Any thoughts on how to handle this?

Postby Bull Run » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:14 am

ninjamatt wrote:wow! bullrun!! so poster the original term "I am going to the gym, I am trying to lose weight" right there I'm gonna try to back her in to the "are you saying I'm fat?!" corner which wouldn't be that hard and I think that's what she wanted you to do . then come back with something like "that's not a fair question, we'll talk about it later"


I'm not sure she really wanted you to mention anything about her weight. It could very well have just been a matter of fact statement. Hard to say really.

But, anything a woman says is fair game if you respond to it the right way...

HB: "I'm going to the gym tonight, trying to lose weight..."
Gunslinger: "Respect. Shedding a few lb's will certainly cause some movement in my manly bits...thanks in advance for your hard work."

Gunslinger: "That's probably a great idea...I mean you are approaching maximum density ;)"

Gunslinger: "Yes, the gym. Nice to know your priorities are in order. That's my girl..."

I'd say busting a girl on her weight is a super advanced technique and should definitely not be used by the timid. Remember, most guys don't know how to neg and in this situation it could really backfire if you don't understand the fundamental way to talk to women. But, you're right...always try to take advantage of any opportunity to poke at a girl and make her feel that you don't ascribe a lot of value to her. The subject of the neg isn't really of much concern, there is no third rail with women.
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Re: Any thoughts on how to handle this?

Postby ike041000 » Thu Jan 12, 2012 7:54 pm

RE: the hair stylist- shes not interested..move on. waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy tooo much work
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Re: Any thoughts on how to handle this?

Postby ninjamatt » Thu Jan 12, 2012 9:56 pm

Bull Run wrote:
ninjamatt wrote:wow! bullrun!! so poster the original term "I am going to the gym, I am trying to lose weight" right there I'm gonna try to back her in to the "are you saying I'm fat?!" corner which wouldn't be that hard and I think that's what she wanted you to do . then come back with something like "that's not a fair question, we'll talk about it later"


I'm not sure she really wanted you to mention anything about her weight. It could very well have just been a matter of fact statement. Hard to say really.

But, anything a woman says is fair game if you respond to it the right way...

HB: "I'm going to the gym tonight, trying to lose weight..."
Gunslinger: "Respect. Shedding a few lb's will certainly cause some movement in my manly bits...thanks in advance for your hard work."

Gunslinger: "That's probably a great idea...I mean you are approaching maximum density ;)"

Gunslinger: "Yes, the gym. Nice to know your priorities are in order. That's my girl..."

I'd say busting a girl on her weight is a super advanced technique and should definitely not be used by the timid. Remember, most guys don't know how to neg and in this situation it could really backfire if you don't understand the fundamental way to talk to women. But, you're right...always try to take advantage of any opportunity to poke at a girl and make her feel that you don't ascribe a lot of value to her. The subject of the neg isn't really of much concern, there is no third rail with women.



You are correct in that it's not a technique for the timid and have to be very diplomatic in how you handle it. I think she wanted to expand the conversation on her work out and her weight. Even though she probably looks "good" in jeans she may feel like she put on weight over the holidays. Most people do put on weight. She may feel a little insecure about it.

What you want to do is have a response that will make her wonder "does he think I'm fat" but you can talk in circles to her response and take control of the situation, at least from the stand point of you are some dude happy to have her number, but right now you are probably only a "number" to her. You can change the subject when you want. Most presidents are real good at giving speeches and answers that one network can interpret and teach their people he meant one thing. another can take the same words and teach their people he meant the opposite thing. When you learn how to do that, You will have women about 20% mastered. Everything else is divided in to little 5% things.

here is how I can imagine that conversation going in general;

Her:"I''m going to the gym, I'm trying to lose weight"
you:"cool, getting in some cardio ?"

Then based on her answer you got indefinite number of ways you take it. let's assume

Her:"yea, why"
You:"that's great! just wondered, do you do ellipticals or treadmills".
her:"treadmill"(or either doesn't matter)
You:"ok, I better let you get to work on it, those are good for you"
Her:"whats that suppose to mean"
You:"well you can certainly lose weight if you put in the time"

Basically what you are trying to do is lead her down a path to want to talk to you more in text or in person. When they open the door about their weights its an easy target but if you don't feel comfortable don't go there. If you need to change the subject do it. and DONT EVER mention one particular area of their body in that type of neg. All she did with what she said was invite you in to talk about one of her most insecure aspects. Someone has probably taken the same bait and fucked her already since you texted last.
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Re: Any thoughts on how to handle this?

Postby Khaos » Thu Jan 12, 2012 11:38 pm

ike041000 wrote:RE: the hair stylist- shes not interested..move on. waaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy tooo much work

Thank you for seconding me. A lot of guys waste there time with one girl where you should capitalize on the numbers you get. A majority of getting pussy is a numbers game, you win some and lose others.
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Re: Any thoughts on how to handle this?

Postby Bull Run » Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:32 pm

maenad wrote:Thank you for seconding me. A lot of guys waste there time with one girl where you should capitalize on the numbers you get. A majority of getting pussy is a numbers game, you win some and lose others.


Totally agree with you, PU is really just a numbers game. The guys that are good just don't ever stop approaching. Simple as that.

But, I don't think you just discard the number totally. Sure, put her on the back burner. Ignore her for a while, then hit her up with a "what's up?" text. I've resurrected a lot of dead numbers by letting them sit for a while. There's a shit ton of reasons why she's not biting...she could have a boyfriend, could be dating someone else, could be on her period, could think she's a little bit chunky and wants to shed some lbs, anything really.

I say give her a 'soft next.' Make it a priority to hit up and meet other women in the meantime but don't just cut her off totally.
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