Wingman Code of Honor?

[Heretic]

Hey guys, Heretic here,

So I've got this buddy — let's call him Wildcard — who I usually go sarging with. We're both fairly new to this as a serious art, but we've gotten to the point where we can pull numbers from decently hot girls with good regularity. We're miles from guru-ship, but the F (in AFC) is definitely on the way out.

Anyway, lately we've been running into this issue where he's accusing me of stealing his targets. I don't agree — I make an effort to avoid his targets if it looks like things are working out, but if the conversation drops before he builds any rapport, I see that target as free for the taking. Who's in the right? Do you have a code of honor for your wings and what does it say about cold targets?

Also, he suggested that if I'm doing well with part of a set I should leverage the rapport I've earned to bring him back in. I was a bit blindsided by this because I don't really think that way (maybe it's instinct taking over when I'm doing my thing, I'm not sure). I certainly don't oppose the idea on a theoretical basis but my intuition (earned through some experience) is that there's something of a divide and conquer element to sarging. Yes, it's often necessary to engage the entire set to keep her friends from pulling away your target (this is the fucking bane of my existence, btw), but beyond that...you approach as a team, identify your target, hone in, and take that target down.

I'm all for playing up the wing to his target (or to the entire set), but other than that he's on his own till I've closed or bowed out. Am I wrong here? Sometimes that means you finish your drink alone at the bar (or open another set) while your pal finishes business, but that's just professional courtesy.

Thoughts?

[RockStar]

HE WHO OPENS THE SET OWNS THE SET. period. not just one part of the set but the whole thing. the wingman's job in a set is to get his buddy laid. even if the other guy has been blown out. you must still continue to treat him as if he's the cooliest fucking guy on the planet in that set and not steal his targets or work on your own. if he ejects you eject. it's just that easy.

on a side note if you're blowing your wing out. He needs to work on his chops. The balance that made you two better together than apart is breaking down and you should use more planned tactics together.

Rockstar

[Heretic]

HE WHO OPENS THE SET OWNS THE SET. period.

Wow, I did not expect that answer at all. Thanks. If I'm going to start working it that way then I'll definitely need to hit up more target-rich environments, because in a certain way that halves the number of possible targets per person.

On the upside, your approach sounds like it would encourage opening quickly (i.e. < 3s) by rewarding whomever opens first.

Can you recommend any resources for wing tactics?

[Dubb]

HE WHO OPENS THE SET OWNS THE SET. period.

Agree on that...to a point.

My loyalty is definitely always to my wingman. Yeah, you're out to meet women and get laid or meet friends or whatever your goal, but at what cost? I personally always wingman with a good friend and we end up setting up some informal rules about sets. It usually ends up that the set is whoever opens it, UNTIL they pick their target, then the rest are fair game. Even if it's a 2 set, they have to decide, there's no trying for one and leaving the other if you crash and burn in my opinion.

I had a wing choose a target, give up on her, go for another, then when I picked up on the first he got kinda pissed about me picking up on "his" target although he had clearly moved on. They weren't in the same set but being a good friend it was easy to just talk to him to clear it up.

Point is, I guess set up some simple boundaries for when you guys wing together? Or, this sounds shitty, but decide how much the wing is worth to you? I've definitely dropped wings because they'd claim everyone in a place, not pull anyone even with some help from me, then get mad if I went after one of "his". Not the end of the world, some people aren't meant to wing together IMHO.

[Tribulus1000]

HE WHO OPENS THE SET OWNS THE SET. period.

Wow, I did not expect that answer at all. Thanks. If I'm going to start working it that way then I'll definitely need to hit up more target-rich environments, because in a certain way that halves the number of possible targets per person.

On the upside, your approach sounds like it would encourage opening quickly (i.e. < 3s) by rewarding whomever opens first.

Can you recommend any resources for wing tactics?

Mystery covers this alot. He talks about not doing "tandem hunting" and says you and your wing should switch off at some point.

Personally, I like the more natural way of doing this. One guy opens and talks for 5 minutes. He then gives the stage to the other guy who talks.You don't interrupt of block the other girl. You give full attention to your buddy.
Then the first or the second guy suggests a move and the entire set moves to seating or outside or whatever...another bar.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that I don't realy pick targets. I let this happen more naturally. Usually one male female will pair off leaving the other to pair off as well. And you just roll with it.

My take on it....
Even if the chick is fat and ugly, that's another set to practice or another set to isolate.

Instead of nitpicking eachother about who gets what, take it as a learning experience and try to get better at it.

Too many guys are too ego-centric about this subject.

And if you don't want a wing, just go out alone. You learn alot going out alone.

Newbies should not be fighting over sets. There are lots of ladies out there.

[overcome]

Since I'm new to this art, great advice. I also believe your loyalties should remain with your wing men during sarging.