The next step up from being a newbie?

[Zephyr]

Ok, well I'm about one month in and all of this stuff is starting to come together for me. I'm able to go out to a bar on the weekend and get a few number closes a night. My greatest discovery of the first week was body language improvement, the second week I began building enough confidence to throw negs, the third week I began working on my storytelling, and last week I realized the magic of the time constraint (I wish I would have been using good time constraints all along but I kept forgetting). Now, I'm getting the kind of results I want in the approach and comfort building stages (except for C3), but i'm having trouble getting anything else but an n-close and girls just keep flaking on me!!! Ahh!

So I guess my question is: What are the common mistakes that people make in this stage of their game and what are some good things I can keep in mind or practice for improvement? What will REALLY help push me over the newbie plateau? I'm sure everybody goes through this phase becuase it seems like a very natural part of my learning process, if you know what i mean....

[playercool]

Who knows but I have a feeling you might be getting LJBF if every single girl is flaking on you.

Think back about how the sets progress. Are you getting IOI's? Are you escalating in any manner?

Regardless it sounds like you are doing well. Eventually you can pin point everything that is going wrong and repair it. I highly recommend having someone from the community watch you in set and just sit back and critique. This will probably help you get over your hump.

[CarlosB91]

well I shouldn't be giving you advice or my observations since you're obviously way ahead of me in the game but maybe you're not building enough rapport with the women once you n-close them, you need to make yourself more memorable and make them want to expect your call and not remember you as just "another guy I met at the club"

[Kit]

well I shouldn't be giving you advice or my observations since you're obviously way ahead of me in the game but maybe you're not building enough rapport with the women once you n-close them, you need to make yourself more memorable and make them want to expect your call and not remember you as just "another guy I met at the club"

I think you're right.

[Howiestern]

I've ran into the same thing the first couple of girls I went through.
After you gain a little more experience you'll figure out what works and what doesn't.....and what works on one might not work on another. This will ultimately lead to less flaking.

Don't let the flakes bother you. I've ran into them in all the age groups. Women are emotional creatures and don't always know what they want and it might all change depending on what day it is or how their pussy feels that day.

When I was running into a lot of flaking I think I was trying too hard and probably came across as needy nice guy. It has helped me out to have 3 of them on the ho'line at any one time.

Work hard to portray that you are Mr. Funguy and are socially active. I've had good success with flirting through text messages. This seemed to build good rapport and show I was fun.

Practice makes perfect!

[Bull Run]

This has already been touched on, but I'll throw in my opinion:

I'm able to go out to a bar on the weekend and get a few number closes a night....but i'm having trouble getting anything else but an n-close and girls just keep flaking on me!!!

Girls are inherently flaky, that's just their nature. You're not building enough comfort and rapport with these girls. They will give their number out to tons of guys, some even enjoy doing so. The more numbers they give out, the better they feel about themselves. All your doing by pulling numbers and not escalating is reinforcing their self-esteem.

In my experience, there really are only two ways to be SURE that you'll hear back from a girl:

-You successfully bounce her to a different venue
-You SNL her

Anything else is simply a crap shoot. Sure, you can stack your odds through strong Game but its far from a sure thing.

So I guess my question is: What are the common mistakes that people make in this stage of their game and what are some good things I can keep in mind or practice for improvement? What will REALLY help push me over the newbie plateau? I'm sure everybody goes through this phase becuase it seems like a very natural part of my learning process, if you know what i mean....

My suggestion is to forget number closing. Simply skip straight over it. I think back on all of my successful interactions with women and I realize that for the most part I number closed them after I bounced her or after I kiss closed or fuck closed.

Another thing I would suggest is to start to really gauge the response you're getting from your targets. You should know almost immediately if they're into you. If you can't tell, they probably aren't. Women will let you know. Watch for the signs. Quit running so much Game that you skip over her responses to you. When you have her hooked, then escalate, escalate, escalate. Once you have a girl on the hook, you have to push the interaction as far as you can. Forget number closes, that's for newbies. Go for the kill. Worry about the number later.

[Zephyr]

Yeah I definitely find myself just running all this game that I have stored up in my brain and I totally forget to gauge the responses. In the back of my head, i've created this idea that everything they say is going to be some kind of shit test or whatever. So i keep plowing or running routines. I guess i just need to step back, pay less attention to the details, and start looking at the big picture, and where the interaction is going as a whole. I need to pay more attention to meaning of their responses instead of instantly running whatever canned response I can think of to go along what she's saying.

[Bull Run]

Yeah I definitely find myself just running all this game that I have stored up in my brain and I totally forget to gauge the responses. In the back of my head, i've created this idea that everything they say is going to be some kind of shit test or whatever. So i keep plowing or running routines. I guess i just need to step back, pay less attention to the details, and start looking at the big picture, and where the interaction is going as a whole. I need to pay more attention to meaning of their responses instead of instantly running whatever canned response I can think of to go along what she's saying.

Stop thinking about just react. You should have been doing this long enough so that your natural reactions are congruent with your personality, with PU, and with your Game.

Also, have fun!

[Guest]

I agree with what Bull Run said, as far as knowing when girls are into you. It's hard for me to articulate right now, but given I'm good at reading body language and IOIs, I know who to pay attention to and to have fun with. You will just know.

My suggestion: change the pattern of the game your running. Try to isolate the girl so you can talk to her instead of going for a number close. That will lead to better things, like changing avenues together, building more rapport, and kino.