I'm tired of LJBF and being AFC no matter what....

[Smirks]

I got in the game 2 months ago.
I've read "The Game", "Mystery Method", and am almost half way through the 30-day plan in "Rules of the Game"
I have style.
I talk to people...not just HBs either.
I'm funny and witty (I think)
I make sure to have a large group of good looking fun people every time I go out. Social proof.
I'm no Derek Zoolander...but I'm not unattractive either.
I'm average build...but working hard to improve this (diet and exercise)

Yet, here I sit...with damn near the same record with women I had before I began.

I just don't know what I'm doing wrong here. Am I being impatient? Probably. But I am devoting every bit of spare time I have...at work and at home...to making this work for me. I just currently feel that I'm not where I should be by now. I some how turn in to the fucking BFF of every girl I approach. Well, not every girl...but most. I've got a couple #closes and a BJC since, but I could have stumbled through the typical awkward AFC stuff that I did before and get that. All the #'s flaked any way.

I think the most frustrating part is that I go out with my group...they succeed. I'm the one who's working towards it...it just happens for them. What am I doing wrong? What am I just not doing? Oops...that's impossible to answer without explanations.

Last night:

Location: Downtown Fort Worth - 8.0, Library, Dirty Murphys, Scat Lounge

We start at 8.0, and the only remotely attractive girl there was surrounded by 6+ cowboys. Like rope'em up shit kickin' cowboys. We watched the last bit of the Jacksonville/Steelers game...and I went to talk to this group of yeehaws and the girl just to get warmed up. This lasted about 5 minutes...and most of it was shooting down AMOG comments left and right.

"Nice Members-Only jacket."

"Nice Garth Brooks costume."

It WASN'T a members only jacket by the way : P

After the game we went to Library...where there were definitely more sets to play with. I opened up a couple...but that damn place plays the music so fucking loud and my voice seems to just blend in with the general white noise of that type of bar. I had mild success opening and keeping conversation going, but I couldn't advance beyond that...so I ejected gracefully from each set.

Dirty Murphys was nothing but I refer to as bar-lifers. Meaning they spend there life in a fucking bar. Just stopped in there for the beer selection!

Scat Lounge is where we ended the night. I've been there once before and I got all big-balled and made friends with the two owners, the door guy, and the door girl. It was like I owned the fucking place. I worked on the door girl for a while, the waitress, and a 3-set all female that were there for a "girls night out". I got us a after hours party, where my friend SNLs the waitress from Scat. See that? I got her talking to us about more than our drink order...I got her to the party...and the entire time she was wanting his moustache ride...not mine. But hey, I'm "THE COOLEST GUY EVER." I make "SUCH A GOOD FRIEND."

My wing says its because I hang out with naturals. Or atleast guys who are good looking enough to get it without having to really do much. Supposedly that makes me look less appealing? Whatever. I don't believe that. Look at my myspace. The girls I hang with are hot. The guys aren't socially retarded. That must say something about me.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm average...frustrated...and look like a chump when I keep failing.

[Finesse]

You fail in attraction and escalation man. Simple.

It breaks down to you falling apart in attraction and escalation.

85.5% of guys that get into the community at some point were nerds, nerds that were tired of being single and jacking off to hentai. (56% of all statistics are made up on the spot and Maybe only I did that but hey..... :-/) Regardless, what happened is most of the nerds had "decent" success with women. The type of success that warranted the LJBF speech over and over again. LJBF happens when you have massive comfort, very little attraction and no sexual escalation.

Sure you may couple a few other scenarios in there, but mostly thats what makes the LJBF schpill possible.

If this is a big problem for you then you need to figure out a way to amp your attraction and escalation game up. Tease them mercilessly, be playful, be sexual in a non-sleezy way, test for compliance and if they dont just take 2 steps back and start the process over again.

Always be escalating. Depending on where you are at in the pick up meaning if you are closer to opening vs. seduction, you will have different structures.

If you are in comfort then, from my experiences it should go like this:

Attraction(DHV) ----> Compliance Test ----> Escalate

If she fails the CT then disqualify, and start over.

As I am typing this I have a shit load of things running through my mind, so if you read this and it doesn't quite make sense, ask and I'll re-iterate it. Your group makes it a little hard for you to shine. You have to be the bigger shiney thing in your group and escalate on it as well.

[Westfall]

Break rapport more.

http://www.dallaspua.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1750

I'm good at breaking rapport...too good

[playercool]

What Finesse and WF said.

I have this friend. He is a good looking guy and a great conversationalist. He can talk about anything and keep a convo going forever. He will keep a girl interested in just the convo. He will never escalate or "break rapport". What happens to this guy ohhh about 100% of the time is LJBF. I know he has no idea why this happens. If I tried to tell him he would think I am crazy so I just keep my mouth shut.

Next time you go out get into a convo. Drop some negs and make her qualify. See what happens.

Goodluck

[Westfall]

I have this friend. He is a good looking guy and a great conversationalist. He can talk about anything and keep a convo going forever. He will keep a girl interested in just the convo. He will never escalate or "break rapport". What happens to this guy ohhh about 100% of the time is LJBF. I know he has no idea why this happens. If I tried to tell him he would think I am crazy so I just keep my mouth shut.

Next time you go out get into a convo. Drop some negs and make her qualify. See what happens.

Heh, we all know people like that. They end up so happy when they find one girl that will date them...I know friends who have married the first girl that would date them...that's sad.

Anywho, PlayCool gave 2 good examples of breaking rapport, negs and to a lesser estent qualifying hoops, but there are many more.

Body language, making her think you're leaving, calling her a dork, disqualifying yourself, or as El Topo mentioned in his lair talk pulling back from a deep conv "Whoa, we're getting too deep". You can even do sexual rapport breaks "you have a sexy ass" for example.

Have fun, break rapport, get laid.

WF

[Smirks]

Thanks guys. After a good night's sleep and reading your posts...I've calmed down and see where I need to focus on improvement. Sarging tonight, so I'll what how I can do.

[EL CHUPACABRA]

I need a wing this weekend for a little in Ft Worth.... Holla men!!

[zine]

you need to create some chaos man, or everyone will love you... as a friend. You need to make it more sexual I agree with other guys that you should focus on escalation primarily physical, but also conversational escalation. You can either talk about topics, or you can talk about the girl as a person.

On chaos read this:

This is by Tim of RSD fame:

Disclaimer: The information below is one guys ponderings from the field. Thats it. If you use the information presented and get your ass kicked, killed or in trouble this is entirely your fault. For entertainment purposes only.

Why dont people love you?

Why dont you have any friends?

Why dont girls even recognise you?

Why is there no excitement in your life?

Why ... ?

Your not CREATING CHAOS. Your playing it too safe. Not enough people DONT LIKE YOU.
Now as you will find out this thinking is counter-intuitive but thats the point. Anything in this game that is successful is counter-intuitive.

Chaos Creation 101:

Fuck with girls and create something out of nothing, get creative. Go absolutely BOMB some sets when you get in the club like walk up and tell girls "I Love You" as the opener and any other retarted stuff. The point is to get KNOWN.

Talk to yourself in a PIMP way. Like last night I was out and there was two girls, one I had already been with... and the other looked like my ex GF so im like "oh I can't leave here tonight without banging this girl - I will not be able to LIVE without it". The one I had been with is getting lovey on me and the new one is giving me resistance cos her best friend is in love with me...

Plowing through I managed to piss off the lovey one (who ran home) and caveman the exgf lookalike home for sex. No cuddling afterwards, just showed her to the door and that was that.

Consequences: Girls will not like you. Guys will fight you. But do you care ? Nope - you think its FUNNY.

The point is people are REACTING TO YOU. When a girl says "I hate that guy hes always making out with a new girl" i see it as an easy ticket to bed. When a girl is PISSED at you she is emotionally reacting to you - this means it can be turned around into something positive.

Think about it - how many girls are reacting to your every move? like think right now as you read this how many girls have YOU on their mind for whatever reason?

Last weekend I pulled a threesome where afterwards one of the girls cried because her best friend is in love with me and she feels guilty. Yet she will still sleep with me. The nature of women.

Remember tht golden rule: THEY JUST WANT TO BE BENT OVER

When you see that hottie stunner at the bar remember... she just wants to be bent over

When you are talking to your friends mom and shes banging hot remember... she just wants to be bent over

When you are wondering wether or not you should go for her number remember... she just wants to be bent over

When you are thinking about wether to approach or not (heaven forbid) remember... she just wants to be bent over

this sentence should be repeated in your head like a song every time a girl is around "They just want to be bent over"

This is what is means to have natural game. You do not give a fuck to the core - and it shows. Social norms are broken. Back in the day people thought the world was flat and anyone who thought otherwise was stupid. Well today people think cheating on your girlfriend is a bad thing... hehe (truth is so do I actually) just making a point.

Look at a guy like jlaix - do all people like him... no! when he wears a pink suit out to guys get pissed and hate him - yes? but thats why girls will roll up on him.

Lets talk a bit about potential now... a thought to ponder from me to you:

It is easy to look at a guy, with his nice girlfriend and small apartment and say "Jimmy has made a great life for himself".

However, it is not known to the casual observer that Jimmy, as does every guy on the planet, had the potential to get harem of stunning model girlfriends... the knowledge (skillset) he could have acquired along the way would lead his life in a new perspective to which Jimmy could have even had the passion ignited to start his own business and become massively wealthy, successful and have a kingdom of great friends due to his built social smarts and skills... this is potential. Potential is and elusive character... because you cannot SEE it with your eyes. You can only see his nice girlfriend and small apartment.

It is the unseen - the vision, that is the most important part of the quest for glory.

Some of you guys are struggling in this area... so was I. More than you can imagine. But I always had the vision. When I started girls thought I was a literal retard... but I still had the vision.

You know what im talking about.

Am I saying go and cause a menace to other people? no.
Am I saying go and be a cockhead uncalibrated C&F user? no.
Am I saying when a guy fucks with you, you should lay him the fuck out? yes. no. maybe.
hehe.

Be a man. Get KNOWN!
thats what im saying.

on escalation just man up and do it. It sounds like you are performing. Your friends are getting laid because your energy draws girls in getting their buying temperature up(horniness), but since you aren't escalating all that energy gets transfered over to your friends. It's like you are the entertainer and your friends and the girls have come to see the show. I would instead focus on making them(the girls) be the show once they are in your prescence then they will be more invested in the interaction and much less likely to flake on you. Also it is very important that you reward them for this good behavior otherwise they will stop doing it. What's the best way to reward them? Escalation

[Tribulus1000]

I'm gonna make a few comments. I agree with what Mojo said.

These are only suggestions.

Fort Worth is great. Even if you have to deal with hillbillies.

I got in the game 2 months ago.
I've read "The Game", "Mystery Method", and am almost half way through the 30-day plan in "Rules of the Game"
I have style.
I talk to people...not just HBs either.
I'm funny and witty (I think)
I make sure to have a large group of good looking fun people every time I go out. Social proof.
I'm no Derek Zoolander...but I'm not unattractive either.
I'm average build...but working hard to improve this (diet and exercise)

Yet, here I sit...with damn near the same record with women I had before I began.

Hey I've been in two years plus! Dude, two months?

It took Sinn two years before he was getting laid with this stuff. CJ said he got laid at his MM bootcamp.

Patience.

I just don't know what I'm doing wrong here. Am I being impatient? Probably. But I am devoting every bit of spare time I have...at work and at home...to making this work for me. I just currently feel that I'm not where I should be by now. I some how turn in to the fucking BFF of every girl I approach. Well, not every girl...but most. I've got a couple #closes and a BJC since, but I could have stumbled through the typical awkward AFC stuff that I did before and get that. All the #'s flaked any way.

Sorry. BFF =? Best Friends Forever, Ben Folds Five? Bar Friends Fucking?

Ok if its Best Friends Forever, dude, you're hitting pay dirt. The girls like you enough to want to be your friend.
Its all your in the frame of how you see this. You're getting upset because they want to make you their male girlfriend.

You don't see any advantage in this as an aspiring PUA?

First, if she says "Let's just be friends" or equivalent, you should say "GREAT because I really like you and I want to be your friend. I'm sure you're going to introduce me to all your pretty girlfriends who have good social skills."

The other thing to do is to bring up relationships and get them to envision their ideal relationship and/or boyfriend.

Or just talk with girls about going out and relationships in general. Its better than talking about it with guys.

I think the most frustrating part is that I go out with my group...they succeed. I'm the one who's working towards it...it just happens for them. What am I doing wrong? What am I just not doing? Oops...that's impossible to answer without explanations.

Last night:

Location: Downtown Fort Worth - 8.0, Library, Dirty Murphys, Scat Lounge

We start at 8.0, and the only remotely attractive girl there was surrounded by 6+ cowboys. Like rope'em up shit kickin' cowboys. We watched the last bit of the Jacksonville/Steelers game...and I went to talk to this group of yeehaws and the girl just to get warmed up. This lasted about 5 minutes...and most of it was shooting down AMOG comments left and right.

"Nice Members-Only jacket."

"Nice Garth Brooks costume."

It WASN'T a members only jacket by the way : P

That's not a bad retort. But, what happened? You only talked about the dudes. Did you talk to the girl?

After the game we went to Library...where there were definitely more sets to play with. I opened up a couple...but that damn place plays the music so fucking loud and my voice seems to just blend in with the general white noise of that type of bar. I had mild success opening and keeping conversation going, but I couldn't advance beyond that...so I ejected gracefully from each set.

Yeah that place is loud. The porch isn't bad.

If you get any IOI whatsoever, throw in a qualifier.

"What can you do besides stand their and look cute?"
"What's something about you that no one else knows?"
"Everyone I've met in my life that I *really* liked had some kind of passion. What would you say yours is?"

Then you reward her when she answers. Give her an IOI and some kino. "Wow. I really like that." then high five her or do *the rock*.

After that, do a takeaway. (IOD)

"But I really gotta go in a minute" (IOD)
"But you're not exactly my *type* if you know what I mean..." (IOD)

Make sure you go straight into something else when you do the IOD. Like tell her a story about one of your friends. Something juicy.

Dirty Murphys was nothing but I refer to as bar-lifers. Meaning they spend there life in a fucking bar. Just stopped in there for the beer selection!

Tell me about it. You nailed that one. Its a good place if you know the folks there. I've been a few times. Its set up bad too.

Scat Lounge is where we ended the night. I've been there once before and I got all big-balled and made friends with the two owners, the door guy, and the door girl. It was like I owned the fucking place. I worked on the door girl for a while, the waitress, and a 3-set all female that were there for a "girls night out". I got us a after hours party, where my friend SNLs the waitress from Scat. See that? I got her talking to us about more than our drink order...I got her to the party...and the entire time she was wanting his moustache ride...not mine. But hey, I'm "THE COOLEST GUY EVER." I make "SUCH A GOOD FRIEND."

Good wingman.

Does this piss you off? Go out alone. No wings. Run sets by yourself.

My wing says its because I hang out with naturals. Or atleast guys who are good looking enough to get it without having to really do much. Supposedly that makes me look less appealing? Whatever. I don't believe that. Look at my myspace. The girls I hang with are hot. The guys aren't socially retarded. That must say something about me.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'm average...frustrated...and look like a chump when I keep failing.

I would say you need to do some stock material.

Do some banter. Get a routine stack. Use those girls on your myspace to form a social circle.

Study some Mystery Method. Some RSD. And do some direct. It will be a jumbled mess when you start looking at it. I suggest you read some Robert Cialdini as you study MM.

Also you need to keep a positive attitude. The quality of your life is the quality of your communication with yourself.

I go out and have a shit night, I'm like "Yes! I had a really crappy night. And I'm glad I'm alive." Ok so no one is perfect. So what?

[Westfall]

you need to create some chaos man

Nice post zine. Smrks, if you want to learn to create some Chaos, PM me and we'll go sarging next time im in town.

When Westfall sarges, chaos abounds.

Westfall