Women on Seduction Message Boards

[Twitchy]

It all goes back to social evolution. Women want to look good to attract the best possible mates.

Men do the same. How many guys do you know who max out their credit card and live in debt to wear designer clothes and drive a nice car just so they will appear successful? They are everywhere in Dallas. $30,000 millionaires.

Its not wrong to present yourself in the best possible way. Its evolutoin. You just got to be able to back it up.

I remember a few years back I started seeing this really petite cutie. She was a size 0 and could wear some kid's sized clothes yet she had fairly large breasts for her size.

We went out a few times and finally progressed to where it was time to show some skin. However, she wouldn't let me take off her bra. Finally, she got worked up enough where she got out of bed, walked 10 feet away and removed her bra herself. It fell to the floor with a very loud "thunk" - all padding. I started laughing which didn't go over well. I wasn't trying to be cruel but it was funny.

However, she was an great girl and incredibly sexy and I dated her for quite a while until she moved away. She is still one of my all time favorites. Yeah, she distorted the truth but she had enough to offer that it didn't matter.

Relating it back to PU - the lines, tactics and routines may help you but you have to be able to back them up. You can only run on community material for so long before you have to start showing who you really are.

Girls just hearing about the lines or getting a cursory understanding of the community are not going to appreciate it for what it is.

[Rainman]

Girls just hearing about the lines or getting a cursory understanding of the community are not going to appreciate it for what it is.



exactly my point...however those women (majority) who are not completely open minded enough to find out about the backing to the methodology tend to make the snap judgement in that they hear the lines. decide that is all there is and refuse to look or believe that there can be more to it. so they base there entire perception and subsequent objection on that. i guess that falls back into their entire double standard which i would have to agree....its almost outside of the realm of feasability to think that a woman would be capable of such........

[Thaddeus]

Rainman,

Are you suggesting that women are illogical and also apply a double-standard that allows them to justify doing the same type of behavior they critisize men for?

I refuse to believe a woman would be capbable of such.

Westfall

LOL, ya know if they were not none of the normal pick up stuff would work!

[Blue]

the only reason i would think of a girl being interested in the community is because they like to see how guys operate. girls analyze everything, from how guys dress, how their hair is, what they bring up in conversation to how they treat their mothers, what kind of drinks they order and the type of jeans they're wearing. girls being into pick up is just another way to break down social dynamics, which girls already do naturally. i know a few girls who know a little bit about the game and every time they're out and get approached they dissect everything that the guy says to them. paranoid much?

a girl friend of mine who is a total HB10 knows about the community... she learned about it a couple years ago when her friend became an RSD instructor. HB10 claims to be "ungameable" and is one of those girls that says it doesnt work on them. yet she falls for it every single time, the most recent one being by a MM instructor when they had their bootcamp here in dallas this past november. so i guess knowing about the community doesnt stop it from working.

gaming isnt about spitting the same lines, routines, and canned openers. once you internalize it and have solid inner game you can apply the theories and get the same results. so if you knew a girl who knew about the community would you back off and not even bother or do you think you would see it as a challenge and sarge on?

[Westfall]

gaming isnt about spitting the same lines, routines, and canned openers. once you internalize it and have solid inner game you can apply the theories and get the same results.

True. I imagine most of us who have been in the community a while have begun to attract girls even when we are not intentionally trying to do so.

WF

[Twitchy]

so if you knew a girl who knew about the community would you back off and not even bother or do you think you would see it as a challenge and sarge on?

If I was interested in her, I would sarge on. As we all know, attraction is not a choice. I would hope that any girl that knew the journey I have taken to get where I am at would respect and be attracted to who I have become.

[Blue]

If I was interested in her, I would sarge on.

would you SARGE in terms of gaming or would you be genuine and pursue her the way normal noncommunity guys do it?

[Twitchy]

I actually don't "sarge" and never really have (and actually hate that term). I have always had a successful dating life. My problem was that I normally dated who chased me and not the other way around. I have been blessed in that some very quality girls have chased me throughout the years and I have had some awesome girlfriends. However, for various reasons, I always felt that I was settling.

The girls that I wanted I would always screw it up with because I wasn't agressive enough and was always afraid of offending them. I have A LOT of HOT, successful female friends that all came about from me being interested but never escaping the friend's zone.

The biggest thing the community gave me is more of an understanding of seduction, some strategies on how to escalate and realization that I can get physical (kino, kissing) early without offending or upsetting a girl as long as I do it with confidence and don't put too much value in it.

So, in a nutshell, if I was interested, I would just be myself.

Another thing the community has given me is a lot more confidence and with that I have gotten pickier and pickier. When I qualify, I truly qualify so more than likely, unless the girl was really special, I wouldn't be interested anyway.

But of course, every guy is different. I am sure many others on this board would answer differently.

[Welsh_Dragon]

If a girl knows about the community you can often play on that. Act with some distain for the community. Joke about the real losers (women love to have a laugh at that). Make it personal between you and the girl. Create a connection point through it. I have done this successfully and it works.

In fact I don't think it matters at all. Sarging is a truly male phemomenon. Just how much do you understand about makeup? Or care to? Women want to meet men anyway so its a problem they are happy to deal with. They have to see a lot of men to find anyone decent and they consider their screening tactics to be sufficient - we know otherwise.

The fact is there are very few truly desirable males around. Being a player is not enough of a character flaw. Being a boring loser (hello typical Dallas guy) is.

[EL CHUPACABRA]

Rainman,

Are you suggesting that women are illogical and also apply a double-standard that allows them to justify doing the same type of behavior they criticize men for?

I refuse to believe a woman would be capable of such.

Westfall

Nope they are not...I was married and think that the ladies only want what is best for the men in their life!? hahaha