[quote1235350252=Smirks]
[quote1235349863=grimm1111]
I hope everyone just calms down and takes a step back.
[/quote1235349863]
Should read, "Take a step back and literally FUCK YOUR OWN FACE."
[/quote1235350252]
Hahaha nah man. I hope everyone realizes this is a good group of people, and you guys have it very good.
Dallas PUA
The Pickup Artist Playground
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by Guest » Sun Feb 22, 2009 8:56 pm
[quote1235354046=grimm1111]
[quote1235350252=Smirks]
[quote1235349863=grimm1111]
I hope everyone just calms down and takes a step back.
[/quote1235349863]
Should read, "Take a step back and literally FUCK YOUR OWN FACE."
[/quote1235350252]
Hahaha nah man. I hope everyone realizes this is a good group of people, and you guys have it very good.
[/quote1235354046]
Grimm is right. But, every now and again things like this flare up. It's annoying and stupid, but there has to be some level of intrigity on the boards otherwise they lose credibility.
For the most part, things function very, very well. Let's put this shit behind us and move on.
Hope you're well Grimm.
[quote1235350252=Smirks]
[quote1235349863=grimm1111]
I hope everyone just calms down and takes a step back.
[/quote1235349863]
Should read, "Take a step back and literally FUCK YOUR OWN FACE."
[/quote1235350252]
Hahaha nah man. I hope everyone realizes this is a good group of people, and you guys have it very good.
[/quote1235354046]
Grimm is right. But, every now and again things like this flare up. It's annoying and stupid, but there has to be some level of intrigity on the boards otherwise they lose credibility.
For the most part, things function very, very well. Let's put this shit behind us and move on.
Hope you're well Grimm.
- Guest
by Guest » Sun Feb 22, 2009 9:57 pm
I used to ponder this very question. I, at one point, was, as you would say, decent friends with Westfall.
Westfall, some direct criticism, in this world you cannot live by a "way it should be" mentality. The only thing you have is "the way it is" not "the way it should be". Rules are in place, and the law, (regardless of whether or not you agree with it or not) states what is socially exceptable. The main reason for the law is that exact point. If you do not agree with it AND do not adhere to it you risk being cast out and persecuted.
Child molestation is one of those things. Other criminals that have murdered even look down and butt rape those convicted of child molestation. The constant jokes that were previously brought up and the socially unacceptable behavior that was a constant thing with you in the past contributed to a "social outcasting". If you remember, there were several members of this very board that you are now lashing out against, that stood up for you and tried to incorporate you into the "click" as you called it.
The snide comments do nothing to help your cause. (that goes for everyone)
Censoring is a great difference, than creating a disturbance. The first amendment is a great thing, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people [b]peaceably[/b] to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "
**emphasis added.
No one is censoring you. When a disturbance is created society has seen fit to regulate such acts and situations. This IS the society in which we live. This IS what we are here to learn. This IS what the community is about.
The community is about becoming socially acceptable, More specifically, its about becoming socially acceptable when pursuing women. You are an intelligent person, I know this from conversations we have had, and even though I respect where you are coming from, I do not agree with the stance you have taken regarding societal norms.
This is the reason the religion thread was moved. There was a disturbance, and the disturbance has now grown, regardless of whomever the mod was that moved the topic to begin with. As far as the "ban" goes, things are still being investigated and looked into.
This community does have it easy. I believe Grimm is right about memberships, and so on in other communities from what I've seen. Regardless, we aim to please. That is why we have a suggestions section. We have no problem with people redressing grievances, as long as it is in a peaceful and amicable way. Keep in mind though that hostile remarks will probably be met with disinterest and defense.
The religion thread became a nuisance and a drain of friendship and good will this community (and its moderators) strive to uphold. If you still have a problem with something that we as moderators are doing please feel free to ask why it is we do what we do. The fact that Sleek and Vin were found using the same IP is of concern, and is being checked into, that was a side issue not related with why the thread was moved, but was an issue none-the-less.
Westfall, I told you twice before the community split (again), and I say it a third time. Social norms are studied in PU for a reason. They are the basis of life and society on this measly little planet. Regardless of whether you like it or not, social norms DO apply in every situation. Recognize it, quit the snide remarks, and realize that not everyone is as bad as you think they are. Some people only require a showing of a desire to want to learn and change. Which you, up til now, have not shown a desire to do.Your constant disregard of the hospitality people showed you, by letting you crash on their sofa when you were in town, and they way that you acted in front of others, and women while "sarging". It is for those reasons you were outcasted before, you are back, show some discernment and realize what is going on here. Westfall, you couldn't be more wrong with your post [i]"The ironic part of this, is that this very post will no doubt be censored by the aformentioned douchebag."[/i]
I am not going to edit it. You are. I am going to give everyone the chance to stop this horseshit and the person who posted it is going to edit it themselves.
Bull Run, Although I can see the point, and agree with a PSA and a clear and open line of dialog between the members and the moderators, this was hardly the way to accomplish that. Your post could have done without this, [i]"How sad is it that someone is so paranoid and so sensitive that they have to call in their friends to back them up on an Internet forum OR create alter egos to employ guerilla style attacks on members of our Community?
There is no censorship here, we're just purging ourself of a little bit of poison [/i]." Please edit it.
Grimm, part B. of your post needs to go bye-bye.
Topdog, Im sure you have an opinion on the matter, but if there was a point you were trying to make other than the way I understood it, please reiterate that or delete it.
Everyone falls short of these mottos, including me, but we should all try the "Treat others the way you want to be treated." and "If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all." creeds.
Westfall and Smirks please edit/delete your bickering posts and take it private, in a boxing ring if need be. I don't care, but keep it off the boards please.
Let me be perfectly clear in my judgment and state of mind at the present moment, there will be no punishment for failure to edit, there will be no editing on my part, I will not "punish or lash out at those who appose or strike back against me and as I stand here here resolute, I know each and every one of you knows what I am talking about. You all know how we should be acting, and we ALL should be ashamed at ourselves for letting this crap get this far. We should all take accountability, for no one person single handedly cause this mess.
Social hierarchies form, we know this. It is in the nature of societies that this happens. We have all studied it. We have been taught that emotion and trust are weakness. That "alpha" men, do not show weakness. Which I now believe to be total horseshit. It is in the presence of "weakness" in which the true light of a person comes through. It is in the presence of humility in which we as humans grow, and we know this. Why should anything else apply in this instance? Hierarchies from from preference. We ALSO know this. The preference comes from what makes you happy and brings you joy. Simply meaning, if you bring other people joy, they will want you around to enhance their life. However, you bring them pain, misery, anguish or distaste and they will strike you from their lives one way or another, and most likely they will justify it being it being "your fault".
Take my words for what you will guys.
Westfall, I'm sorry for betraying that trust you instilled in me, there is no excuse for that.
That said, clean this thread up and as Grimm said lets "get out there and pick up some girls."
Westfall, some direct criticism, in this world you cannot live by a "way it should be" mentality. The only thing you have is "the way it is" not "the way it should be". Rules are in place, and the law, (regardless of whether or not you agree with it or not) states what is socially exceptable. The main reason for the law is that exact point. If you do not agree with it AND do not adhere to it you risk being cast out and persecuted.
Child molestation is one of those things. Other criminals that have murdered even look down and butt rape those convicted of child molestation. The constant jokes that were previously brought up and the socially unacceptable behavior that was a constant thing with you in the past contributed to a "social outcasting". If you remember, there were several members of this very board that you are now lashing out against, that stood up for you and tried to incorporate you into the "click" as you called it.
The snide comments do nothing to help your cause. (that goes for everyone)
Censoring is a great difference, than creating a disturbance. The first amendment is a great thing, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people [b]peaceably[/b] to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "
**emphasis added.
No one is censoring you. When a disturbance is created society has seen fit to regulate such acts and situations. This IS the society in which we live. This IS what we are here to learn. This IS what the community is about.
The community is about becoming socially acceptable, More specifically, its about becoming socially acceptable when pursuing women. You are an intelligent person, I know this from conversations we have had, and even though I respect where you are coming from, I do not agree with the stance you have taken regarding societal norms.
This is the reason the religion thread was moved. There was a disturbance, and the disturbance has now grown, regardless of whomever the mod was that moved the topic to begin with. As far as the "ban" goes, things are still being investigated and looked into.
This community does have it easy. I believe Grimm is right about memberships, and so on in other communities from what I've seen. Regardless, we aim to please. That is why we have a suggestions section. We have no problem with people redressing grievances, as long as it is in a peaceful and amicable way. Keep in mind though that hostile remarks will probably be met with disinterest and defense.
The religion thread became a nuisance and a drain of friendship and good will this community (and its moderators) strive to uphold. If you still have a problem with something that we as moderators are doing please feel free to ask why it is we do what we do. The fact that Sleek and Vin were found using the same IP is of concern, and is being checked into, that was a side issue not related with why the thread was moved, but was an issue none-the-less.
Westfall, I told you twice before the community split (again), and I say it a third time. Social norms are studied in PU for a reason. They are the basis of life and society on this measly little planet. Regardless of whether you like it or not, social norms DO apply in every situation. Recognize it, quit the snide remarks, and realize that not everyone is as bad as you think they are. Some people only require a showing of a desire to want to learn and change. Which you, up til now, have not shown a desire to do.Your constant disregard of the hospitality people showed you, by letting you crash on their sofa when you were in town, and they way that you acted in front of others, and women while "sarging". It is for those reasons you were outcasted before, you are back, show some discernment and realize what is going on here. Westfall, you couldn't be more wrong with your post [i]"The ironic part of this, is that this very post will no doubt be censored by the aformentioned douchebag."[/i]
I am not going to edit it. You are. I am going to give everyone the chance to stop this horseshit and the person who posted it is going to edit it themselves.
Bull Run, Although I can see the point, and agree with a PSA and a clear and open line of dialog between the members and the moderators, this was hardly the way to accomplish that. Your post could have done without this, [i]"How sad is it that someone is so paranoid and so sensitive that they have to call in their friends to back them up on an Internet forum OR create alter egos to employ guerilla style attacks on members of our Community?
There is no censorship here, we're just purging ourself of a little bit of poison [/i]." Please edit it.
Grimm, part B. of your post needs to go bye-bye.
Topdog, Im sure you have an opinion on the matter, but if there was a point you were trying to make other than the way I understood it, please reiterate that or delete it.
Everyone falls short of these mottos, including me, but we should all try the "Treat others the way you want to be treated." and "If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all." creeds.
Westfall and Smirks please edit/delete your bickering posts and take it private, in a boxing ring if need be. I don't care, but keep it off the boards please.
Let me be perfectly clear in my judgment and state of mind at the present moment, there will be no punishment for failure to edit, there will be no editing on my part, I will not "punish or lash out at those who appose or strike back against me and as I stand here here resolute, I know each and every one of you knows what I am talking about. You all know how we should be acting, and we ALL should be ashamed at ourselves for letting this crap get this far. We should all take accountability, for no one person single handedly cause this mess.
Social hierarchies form, we know this. It is in the nature of societies that this happens. We have all studied it. We have been taught that emotion and trust are weakness. That "alpha" men, do not show weakness. Which I now believe to be total horseshit. It is in the presence of "weakness" in which the true light of a person comes through. It is in the presence of humility in which we as humans grow, and we know this. Why should anything else apply in this instance? Hierarchies from from preference. We ALSO know this. The preference comes from what makes you happy and brings you joy. Simply meaning, if you bring other people joy, they will want you around to enhance their life. However, you bring them pain, misery, anguish or distaste and they will strike you from their lives one way or another, and most likely they will justify it being it being "your fault".
Take my words for what you will guys.
Westfall, I'm sorry for betraying that trust you instilled in me, there is no excuse for that.
That said, clean this thread up and as Grimm said lets "get out there and pick up some girls."
- Guest
by Guest » Mon Feb 23, 2009 12:41 am
[blockquote]
I used to ponder this very question. I, at one point, was, as you would say, decent friends with Westfall.
Westfall, some direct criticism, in this world you cannot live by a "way it should be" mentality. The only thing you have is "the way it is" not "the way it should be". Rules are in place, and the law, (regardless of whether or not you agree with it or not) states what is socially exceptable. The main reason for the law is that exact point. If you do not agree with it AND do not adhere to it you risk being cast out and persecuted. [/blockquote]
I do not expect you to agree with me, but I'll share my reformed thoughts so you will know where I'm coming from. If you've read The Fountainhead, you will see that the main character Howard Roark refuses to conform to social norms...and he is persecuted for doing so up until the point he perseveres though until the greatness of his ideas are realized.
If you think about it, at some point in human history slavery, rape, subjegation of women and a plethora of other things that we would today condsider way outside of social norms, were in fact the social norm...
[blockquote]Child molestation is one of those things. Other criminals that have murdered even look down and butt rape those convicted of child molestation. The constant jokes that were previously brought up and the socially unacceptable behavior that was a constant thing with you in the past contributed to a "social outcasting". If you remember, there were several members of this very board that you are now lashing out against, that stood up for you and tried to incorporate you into the "click" as you called it.[/blockquote]
I think your comment is misleading in that it implies that I do things that I do not do and have never done. I realize this is probably not your intention, but I would appericate it if you wouldn't say things that lead people to believe I am something I'm not. I have never violated the law in this aspect. I realize some of my comments, my sense of humor, and my views have offened you, but this is no excuse to imply that I am involved in illegal activity. As a side note, I've started doing stand up comedy, and audiances (sometimes) like my sense of humor, you do not and that's okay, but social norms vary greatly. While I think it is acceptable for you to ask me not to make jokes about sensative matters around you (which I believe I did after you told me it bothered you), I don't think it is reasonable to get upset or offended if someone isn't intentionally saying those things to you knowing it bothers you.
[blockquote]Censoring is a great difference, than creating a disturbance. The first amendment is a great thing, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people [b]peaceably[/b] to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "
**emphasis added.
No one is censoring you. When a disturbance is created society has seen fit to regulate such acts and situations. This IS the society in which we live. This IS what we are here to learn. This IS what the community is about.[/blockquote]
Anytime there is a disagrement, there is going to be some conflict or disturbence, even among friends. I believe that in the end things get sorted out well without censoring things. Sometimes people think someone else is being a tool and calling them out on that isn't always a bad thing. The guys here are, or should be, tough enough to deal with a heated discussion. You highlight peacablly, but that's exactly what this is. People aren't threatening each other, just having an intense verbal (or in this case textual) clash, but in the end things work themselves out. I don't know about the religion thread, but I suspect if it were pointed out he was using 2 IP addresses, people would simply realize he's being a bit of a tool, and stopped responded, the situation may have worked itself out with a little bit of embarassment on the guy who tried to use deception to make himself look better. But then again, aren't we all guilty of this on some level? Sometimes the best way to learn, in my experince, is to bash it out in no-holds-back discussion. I've been proven wrong in many such conflicts and will be proven wrong in many in the future, but hopefully each such one makes me more right, at least if I am able to realize I was wrong and then incorperate what I've learned into my idealogy.
[blockquote]The community is about becoming socially acceptable, More specifically, its about becoming socially acceptable when pursuing women. You are an intelligent person, I know this from conversations we have had, and even though I respect where you are coming from, I do not agree with the stance you have taken regarding societal norms. [/blockquote]
I also respect where you are coming from but disagree. I do, however, agree that it's advantagous and expediant to know social norms, but you don't always have to conform to what others want or expect of you. Sometimes I am within socially acceptable norms, sometimes I am not. But I (usually) realize when I'm outside of social norms, which is a big plus btw, and I am also comfortable doing so. And yes, you can be sucessful at pick-up even when you are outside of social norms. But you can also be successful without...whatever works best for you really.
[blockquote]This is the reason the religion thread was moved. There was a disturbance, and the disturbance has now grown, regardless of whomever the mod was that moved the topic to begin with. As far as the "ban" goes, things are still being investigated and looked into.
This community does have it easy. I believe Grimm is right about memberships, and so on in other communities from what I've seen. Regardless, we aim to please. That is why we have a suggestions section. We have no problem with people redressing grievances, as long as it is in a peaceful and amicable way. Keep in mind though that hostile remarks will probably be met with disinterest and defense.
The religion thread became a nuisance and a drain of friendship and good will this community (and its moderators) strive to uphold. If you still have a problem with something that we as moderators are doing please feel free to ask why it is we do what we do. The fact that Sleek and Vin were found using the same IP is of concern, and is being checked into, that was a side issue not related with why the thread was moved, but was an issue none-the-less. [/blockquote]
I'm not sure about the issue here, but it could be possible that he has a roommate that he brought into the PUA community, who joined the conversation without being asked to. Not likely, but possible...
[blockquote]Bull Run, Although I can see the point, and agree with a PSA and a clear and open line of dialog between the members and the moderators, this was hardly the way to accomplish that. Your post could have done without this, [i]"How sad is it that someone is so paranoid and so sensitive that they have to call in their friends to back them up on an Internet forum OR create alter egos to employ guerilla style attacks on members of our Community?
There is no censorship here, we're just purging ourself of a little bit of poison [/i]." Please edit it.[/blockquote]
My personal belief here is that it is good to state what we guinuinely feel out in the open. If BR, who knows more about this guy then I do, feels he is "poison", then I think he should state that. What is wrong with having that opinion? And if there is nothing wrong with having it, what is wrong with posting it?
[blockquote]Grimm, part B. of your post needs to go bye-bye. [/blockquote]
Grimm, I don't know you, but if your post addressed me, please feel free to PM me and I'll respond. I didn't see it before it got deleted.
[blockquote]Let me be perfectly clear in my judgment and state of mind at the present moment, there will be no punishment for failure to edit, there will be no editing on my part, I will not "punish or lash out at those who appose or strike back against me and as I stand here here resolute, I know each and every one of you knows what I am talking about. You all know how we should be acting, and we ALL should be ashamed at ourselves for letting this crap get this far. We should all take accountability, for no one person single handedly cause this mess.
Social hierarchies form, we know this. It is in the nature of societies that this happens. We have all studied it. We have been taught that emotion and trust are weakness. That "alpha" men, do not show weakness. Which I now believe to be total horseshit. It is in the presence of "weakness" in which the true light of a person comes through. It is in the presence of humility in which we as humans grow, and we know this. Why should anything else apply in this instance? Hierarchies from from preference. We ALSO know this. The preference comes from what makes you happy and brings you joy. Simply meaning, if you bring other people joy, they will want you around to enhance their life. However, you bring them pain, misery, anguish or distaste and they will strike you from their lives one way or another, and most likely they will justify it being it being "your fault".
Westfall, I'm sorry for betraying that trust you instilled in me, there is no excuse for that. [/blockquote]
Finesse, I think you're a sincere guy. I was very disapointed in what happened durring the split, and we will probably never be close friends again. But I do see where you're coming from, I've learned a lot from you, and as I recall you were a great guy to bounce ideas off of. What do you say we put all this behind us and start over? There's been a lot of developments at the Federal Reseve that I'd like to discuss with you...
I used to ponder this very question. I, at one point, was, as you would say, decent friends with Westfall.
Westfall, some direct criticism, in this world you cannot live by a "way it should be" mentality. The only thing you have is "the way it is" not "the way it should be". Rules are in place, and the law, (regardless of whether or not you agree with it or not) states what is socially exceptable. The main reason for the law is that exact point. If you do not agree with it AND do not adhere to it you risk being cast out and persecuted. [/blockquote]
I do not expect you to agree with me, but I'll share my reformed thoughts so you will know where I'm coming from. If you've read The Fountainhead, you will see that the main character Howard Roark refuses to conform to social norms...and he is persecuted for doing so up until the point he perseveres though until the greatness of his ideas are realized.
If you think about it, at some point in human history slavery, rape, subjegation of women and a plethora of other things that we would today condsider way outside of social norms, were in fact the social norm...
[blockquote]Child molestation is one of those things. Other criminals that have murdered even look down and butt rape those convicted of child molestation. The constant jokes that were previously brought up and the socially unacceptable behavior that was a constant thing with you in the past contributed to a "social outcasting". If you remember, there were several members of this very board that you are now lashing out against, that stood up for you and tried to incorporate you into the "click" as you called it.[/blockquote]
I think your comment is misleading in that it implies that I do things that I do not do and have never done. I realize this is probably not your intention, but I would appericate it if you wouldn't say things that lead people to believe I am something I'm not. I have never violated the law in this aspect. I realize some of my comments, my sense of humor, and my views have offened you, but this is no excuse to imply that I am involved in illegal activity. As a side note, I've started doing stand up comedy, and audiances (sometimes) like my sense of humor, you do not and that's okay, but social norms vary greatly. While I think it is acceptable for you to ask me not to make jokes about sensative matters around you (which I believe I did after you told me it bothered you), I don't think it is reasonable to get upset or offended if someone isn't intentionally saying those things to you knowing it bothers you.
[blockquote]Censoring is a great difference, than creating a disturbance. The first amendment is a great thing, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people [b]peaceably[/b] to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. "
**emphasis added.
No one is censoring you. When a disturbance is created society has seen fit to regulate such acts and situations. This IS the society in which we live. This IS what we are here to learn. This IS what the community is about.[/blockquote]
Anytime there is a disagrement, there is going to be some conflict or disturbence, even among friends. I believe that in the end things get sorted out well without censoring things. Sometimes people think someone else is being a tool and calling them out on that isn't always a bad thing. The guys here are, or should be, tough enough to deal with a heated discussion. You highlight peacablly, but that's exactly what this is. People aren't threatening each other, just having an intense verbal (or in this case textual) clash, but in the end things work themselves out. I don't know about the religion thread, but I suspect if it were pointed out he was using 2 IP addresses, people would simply realize he's being a bit of a tool, and stopped responded, the situation may have worked itself out with a little bit of embarassment on the guy who tried to use deception to make himself look better. But then again, aren't we all guilty of this on some level? Sometimes the best way to learn, in my experince, is to bash it out in no-holds-back discussion. I've been proven wrong in many such conflicts and will be proven wrong in many in the future, but hopefully each such one makes me more right, at least if I am able to realize I was wrong and then incorperate what I've learned into my idealogy.
[blockquote]The community is about becoming socially acceptable, More specifically, its about becoming socially acceptable when pursuing women. You are an intelligent person, I know this from conversations we have had, and even though I respect where you are coming from, I do not agree with the stance you have taken regarding societal norms. [/blockquote]
I also respect where you are coming from but disagree. I do, however, agree that it's advantagous and expediant to know social norms, but you don't always have to conform to what others want or expect of you. Sometimes I am within socially acceptable norms, sometimes I am not. But I (usually) realize when I'm outside of social norms, which is a big plus btw, and I am also comfortable doing so. And yes, you can be sucessful at pick-up even when you are outside of social norms. But you can also be successful without...whatever works best for you really.
[blockquote]This is the reason the religion thread was moved. There was a disturbance, and the disturbance has now grown, regardless of whomever the mod was that moved the topic to begin with. As far as the "ban" goes, things are still being investigated and looked into.
This community does have it easy. I believe Grimm is right about memberships, and so on in other communities from what I've seen. Regardless, we aim to please. That is why we have a suggestions section. We have no problem with people redressing grievances, as long as it is in a peaceful and amicable way. Keep in mind though that hostile remarks will probably be met with disinterest and defense.
The religion thread became a nuisance and a drain of friendship and good will this community (and its moderators) strive to uphold. If you still have a problem with something that we as moderators are doing please feel free to ask why it is we do what we do. The fact that Sleek and Vin were found using the same IP is of concern, and is being checked into, that was a side issue not related with why the thread was moved, but was an issue none-the-less. [/blockquote]
I'm not sure about the issue here, but it could be possible that he has a roommate that he brought into the PUA community, who joined the conversation without being asked to. Not likely, but possible...
[blockquote]Bull Run, Although I can see the point, and agree with a PSA and a clear and open line of dialog between the members and the moderators, this was hardly the way to accomplish that. Your post could have done without this, [i]"How sad is it that someone is so paranoid and so sensitive that they have to call in their friends to back them up on an Internet forum OR create alter egos to employ guerilla style attacks on members of our Community?
There is no censorship here, we're just purging ourself of a little bit of poison [/i]." Please edit it.[/blockquote]
My personal belief here is that it is good to state what we guinuinely feel out in the open. If BR, who knows more about this guy then I do, feels he is "poison", then I think he should state that. What is wrong with having that opinion? And if there is nothing wrong with having it, what is wrong with posting it?
[blockquote]Grimm, part B. of your post needs to go bye-bye. [/blockquote]
Grimm, I don't know you, but if your post addressed me, please feel free to PM me and I'll respond. I didn't see it before it got deleted.
[blockquote]Let me be perfectly clear in my judgment and state of mind at the present moment, there will be no punishment for failure to edit, there will be no editing on my part, I will not "punish or lash out at those who appose or strike back against me and as I stand here here resolute, I know each and every one of you knows what I am talking about. You all know how we should be acting, and we ALL should be ashamed at ourselves for letting this crap get this far. We should all take accountability, for no one person single handedly cause this mess.
Social hierarchies form, we know this. It is in the nature of societies that this happens. We have all studied it. We have been taught that emotion and trust are weakness. That "alpha" men, do not show weakness. Which I now believe to be total horseshit. It is in the presence of "weakness" in which the true light of a person comes through. It is in the presence of humility in which we as humans grow, and we know this. Why should anything else apply in this instance? Hierarchies from from preference. We ALSO know this. The preference comes from what makes you happy and brings you joy. Simply meaning, if you bring other people joy, they will want you around to enhance their life. However, you bring them pain, misery, anguish or distaste and they will strike you from their lives one way or another, and most likely they will justify it being it being "your fault".
Westfall, I'm sorry for betraying that trust you instilled in me, there is no excuse for that. [/blockquote]
Finesse, I think you're a sincere guy. I was very disapointed in what happened durring the split, and we will probably never be close friends again. But I do see where you're coming from, I've learned a lot from you, and as I recall you were a great guy to bounce ideas off of. What do you say we put all this behind us and start over? There's been a lot of developments at the Federal Reseve that I'd like to discuss with you...
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by Guest » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:18 pm
[quote1235419744=Finesse]Bull Run, Although I can see the point, and agree with a PSA and a clear and open line of dialog between the members and the moderators, this was hardly the way to accomplish that. Your post could have done without this, [i]"How sad is it that someone is so paranoid and so sensitive that they have to call in their friends to back them up on an Internet forum OR create alter egos to employ guerilla style attacks on members of our Community?[/quote1235419744]
In retrospect, my PSA could have done without the commentary piece. A more appropriate way to have handled this was just simply stating the FACTS. At your request, the commentary has been stripped away.
Not addressing this in public would have been a disservice to the Community's members.
In retrospect, my PSA could have done without the commentary piece. A more appropriate way to have handled this was just simply stating the FACTS. At your request, the commentary has been stripped away.
Not addressing this in public would have been a disservice to the Community's members.
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