Your job as a DHV

[Neuromancer]

Getting to know the guys, I've seen we have a lot of cool jobs. I have my own business and am an artist. Which makes for a good set of DHVs for me. So does anyone else use their job as a DHV? If not, why not.

What does everyone do and now can we make it into a DHV if you don't see it as one. Remember, success isn't necessary, only drive do be successful.

[Gambit]

Well actually I've been trying to use my "soon-to-be" job. I'm going into the army in a little over a month.

I try to use this.

Me: "hey girls, I have a quick question that my friends and I were debating about. I leave for the army very soon. What are three/some things that you would want to do before joining the military?"

Girls: "blah blah blah"

Me: "well that's some good ideas, but I really gotta get back to my buddies. Hey! If ya'll want I've got a group of guys I'm with... why don't ya'll come sit with us?"

How does this sound? It KINDA worked a few nights ago at hibibi hookah bar but they very quickly came back at me tryin to call my "soon-to-be" military ship off a bluff. My friend then came over instantly cause he saw that I was crashing and burning and he said:

Friend: "Are you tryin to coax these women with your military status again. haha. What did I tell you about that!"

Girls: "O So he really isn't in the military, is he?

Friend: "O no he really is I pinky swear on it!"

Then he went on began to use the friendship test. (the 2 girls that he did the friendship test on were the main ones that were really shooting me down from the get go. So it gave me time to work on the girls that I was sitting next to.)

Now I'm glad I have him as a sarging partner but I know he's not goin to be there all the time. What would be some way to work my way outa that sticky situation?

[Vector]

I think you need to build more attraction before giving them big hoops to jump through. You need a false disqualifer to disengage their shield and you need to demonstrate more value. If you throw out hoops or qualifiers before you've built attraction, they don't want to pass your test. If right off the bat you ask, "Are you a fun person I should hang out with?" they will simply say "nope."

Accomplishment introductions are a good DHV. Your wing can say stuff about you that you could never say yourself without coming off as bragging.

Do small tests for A3 with small hoops. Then have them join you as a reward for passing the test. They're now cool enough to hang with you.

[Gambit]

I think you need to build more attraction before giving them big hoops to jump through. You need a false disqualifer to disengage their shield and you need to demonstrate more value. If you throw out hoops or qualifiers before you've built attraction, they don't want to pass your test. If right off the bat you ask, "Are you a fun person I should hang out with?" they will simply say "nope."

Accomplishment introductions are a good DHV. Your wing can say stuff about you that you could never say yourself without coming off as bragging.

Do small tests for A3 with small hoops. Then have them join you as a reward for passing the test. They're now cool enough to hang with you.

ahh ok... well since I'm still fairly new to this is this a good way to start a convo, right? And what kind of false disqualifier or how would I present a false disqualifier in a situation like that? And what kinda small tests should I present?

[Vector]

My opinion, the opener you have to be careful how you frame it, or you might DLV yourself. If you have so many cool things to do, you don't know which ones to do in your limited time, that's a DHV. If you're bored and don't know what to do with yourself, that's a DLV. Nothing that can't be overcome, but it's opposite from the direction you want to go.

A false disqualifier is basically you are telling the girl she couldn't be with you, for whatever reason. Do not be constrained to the rules of logic to come up with a reason! "I have a feeling about you, we would not get along." Negs sorta fall into this category but using negs so that they don't come off as insults is difficult.

Real disqualifiers are bad, like "I'm happily married with 2 kids." Yeah her shield might come down but you've constructed a big obstacle you now have to overcome. I'm not sure whether military duty falls into this category. Probably depends on what she's looking for, which works in your favor I think.

Anyone who's ever been in set with me knows I like to tell girls to tell me a joke. Ask if she's adventurous. Ask her to hold out her hand. It can be pretty much anything where you ask her to do something for you. The significance of the request will tell you the level of rapport you have. On the scale of requests, "come join me and my friends" is a big one.

Also, multiple small commands is easier than one big one. A few weeks ago I told a girl, "hold out your hand" and she held out her hand. I took her hand and said okay, let's sit down at this table over here. She and her friend sat with me and wing (we had been standing). I've heard it called "compliance momentum." If they agree several times, they're more likely to agree to the next thing.

[Gambit]

ahhhh ok! I really like the compliance momentum. I can see how I made a big command way too quickly. And I can see how "military" can be a bit of a DLV rather than a DHV. Well I have been working as a blackjack dealer for a local casino company... do you think that would be something that could be easier to work with as a DHV?

[Neuromancer]

Card dealer is pretty cool, especially if you can do card tricks. Card dealers have this sly, smooth vibe. Now since you are going into the military you can use the Steve Martin Movie Sargent Bilko in your routine. "yeah, it's my dream to run the most successful illegal gambling establishment the Military has ever seen," you say with stars in your eyes. Now you're adventurous with a touch of the outlaw and you can throw in, "I plan to live life to the fullest before I go in. do you believe in adventure..." and so on. Bring them along on the wild mans last hurrah.

I once told a girl I had 48 hours to live. She new it wasn't true but she bought into the game. I got laid, no strings attached because it was part of the game.

[Gambit]

Card dealer is pretty cool, especially if you can do card tricks. Card dealers have this sly, smooth vibe. Now since you are going into the military you can use the Steve Martin Movie Sargent Bilko in your routine. "yeah, it's my dream to run the most successful illegal gambling establishment the Military has ever seen," you say with stars in your eyes. Now you're adventurous with a touch of the outlaw and you can throw in, "I plan to live life to the fullest before I go in. do you believe in adventure..." and so on. Bring them along on the wild mans last hurrah.

I once told a girl I had 48 hours to live. She new it wasn't true but she bought into the game. I got laid, no strings attached because it was part of the game.

haha I like the card dealer idea... I do know some good card tricks from being a dealer so a good prop to bring would be a deck of cards? or do you think that would be a bit odd to be talkin to a girl and pull out a deck of cards?

[Welsh_Dragon]

Why would it be odd unless you make it odd? If you act like no big deal you could pull an elephant out of your ass and she wouldn't even ask. That's the state they get in to when you are Alpha.

If you are a beginner I would suggest waiting until you are in comfort (i.e. don't use it as an opener). It could be used to open just a little more advanced.

[Gambit]

Why would it be odd unless you make it odd? If you act like no big deal you could pull an elephant out of your ass and she wouldn't even ask. That's the state they get in to when you are Alpha.

If you are a beginner I would suggest waiting until you are in comfort (i.e. don't use it as an opener). It could be used to open just a little more advanced.

ok cool... I've got the opening deal down now... I just start running out of things to do/say to keep her interest and this could be a nice lil addition to my collection of tricks.. lol