Hooking the Opener...um...HELP

[Shine]

MY PROBLEM IS HOOKING THE OPENER.

Closing seems a lot easier than opening for me. The times I have opened successfully (or been able to skip this step) I have systematically number or kissed closed my target.

I open a lot, and my success rate of actually getting a hooking point is rare.
I use a canned opener and then i just don't know where to take it. going into DHV's and Negs don't seem natural. Any suggestions?

[Scoundrel]

It can feel unnatural at first. Do you stack your material? You should have something else in the can to use as a follow up. Don’t forget to use a time constraint.

[Archaeopteryx]

MY PROBLEM IS HOOKING THE OPENER.

I use a canned opener and then i just don't know where to take it.

Therein lies your problem. You are using a canned opener. It feels canned & unnatural because it is. Create your own opener! It's super fun, and you can trial & error your openers down until you have a great one with a built in easy transition.

AX: Who's sexier Mario or Luigi?

Regardless of her response, you can go several different dirrections with this. Neg her if needed. Make her laugh if you wish:

AX: So like if a guy rolled up in here in red & blue overalls, a big hat, throwing fireballs everywhere, and he asked you out for pasta, you'd take him up on it?

Try going into the set with the goal of making her laugh. Be comfortable and she will be as well. Of course some sets are unhookable, so don't worry that you're not hooking all the time.

Hell just practicing will make things seem more natural to you. When I first started, I was terrified of kinoing a girl. Now it seems natural to do so.

[etohminer]

if you gently grab a girl's wrist to look at her watch would that be considered kino?

[Smile]

Yes, you are making physical contact that would otherwise be somewhat unnatural if she was not attracted to you.

[ReedJ]

I was a having a very similar problem as well. The more I read about the TMM, the more I wanted to use their material. Everytime I did, the opener was forced, didnt feel right and because of it I couldn't naturally progress the set.

My thing is more the Cocky/funny style, so I went with a strong opener in that frame of mind. My best opener came to me when I ran out of cigarettes.

I usually bum from guys when I need to, but why not a woman(get them to invest in you a bit).

So I see this HB9 sitting on a bench smoking a cig and walk almost past her and turn and say "Hey, I'm homeless and was wondering if you could spare a cig?"

hb9: Whatever! You are so not homeless, those are designer jeans!

HOOKED!!!!!!!!

Used it all night, it was my creation so it gave me confidence, and it was a bit over the top, which is more my personality.

Anyway, if you smoke, feel free to use this one!

[zine]

if you gently grab a girl's wrist to look at her watch would that be considered kino?

never grab on open it's too agressive, agression pushes girls away. However, dominance pulls them in. The line between these is very small and you will have to put some of your own thought into it to determine exactly where that line is.

I almost always walk up to them very confidently, touch their wrist with my hand, step back a couple steps, and then proceed with my opener. I do this with the lighter more thought type openers.
Touching them then stepping back shows that I'm the type of guy that will be in their space, but is also am willing to leave it when she feels uncomfortable which=a great first impression.

If the opener is more dominant then you claw her in.
Determining which of these to use is all calibration, but you almost always are better off starting with some sort of kino.

I wouldn't use the claw if you are using mm style game. Heck I really wouldn't use either of these with mm as they are very direct. Don't use either of these halfass or you will come off as needy from the get go which we all know=rejection.

[Thaddeus]

Basically what every ones saying here is just be actually interesting. It matters more that you realate the interaction to her and her desire to be there. The more she feels that she is in the moment, shes feeling the connection the better off you are. Yeah I'm pretty much saying she's a lil self centered. Make the best way for her to think of her self above all the other girls to be with you.