Thoughts on AMOGing

So I was out at ZaZA a few weeks ago with an AFC buddy, when I notice a mixed set, 2 guys clearly gaming a HB7 and and an HB6, and decided to have a little fun.
I lean over to my friend a say watch this. At which point I open the set with a fun, topical, hypothetical question(more on these in a later post). The girls immediately turn their attention to me, while I focus most of my attention on the guys. At one point the target actually turns my shoulders to face her for some attention. I of course neg her a bit and adjust my body so that she is not completly shut out, and continue the conversation. I ask another hypothetical to which the men cannot answer either way without losing value with the HBs(a dirty trick, but all is fair, no?). One of the guys, he may even be in the community, rather than answer, tells me what interesting guy I am and thanks me for helping him with the girls. As he does this, he moves to put his arm around one of girls. The only problem is, he hasn't established enough comfort for the move, and she removes his arm from her shoulder. This happens as I'm responding to him that "it wasn't for his benifit" while I'm staring directly at the HB.
Great AMOGing right? Wrong, the problem was that while all this was going on, HB3rd friend makes an entrance and completly changes the dynamics of the scene. The HBs scatter and I end up cock-blocking but not stealing the set as was my original intention. The naturals didnt get them, and I didnt get them. This seems to be the case in a lot of AMOG scenarios. The positive energy of the group changes and girls get uncomfortable and look for reasons to abandon ship, which I could normally deal with but I couldn't because I was busy punking this guy out.
Now granted, I was out to steal the set, and doing it solo for that matter, and so understood going in that it would be more complicated than simply opening a new set. Nonetheless, I believe the lesson still holds. Now if these guys had been true AFCs they either would not have understood what was going on or would have been helpless to stop it. Instead they amped the social aggression, AMOGed as best they were able, and prevented me from stealing the set but also lost the set for themselves.
I think the answer here is rather than get into an AMOG session, and amp the aggresion with sublte or not so subtle put downs, is simply not to engage directly. Rather than amp , maybe we need to embrace the AMOG. Don't react. Keep your frame strong, use body language to block out, and, of course, be more entertaining and fun. One good thing about getting AMOGed is that it does break the conversation. In fact, I think I'm going to create a story for the HBs to use in just this situation. It may well be a story about some goon from the past with bad manners that didn't know how to behave at the big people table. Something along those lines.
As an interesting side note, one of the guys I blew out, came up to me afterward and complimented me on a "great line of shit". Very PUA behavior, no hard feelings, defineatly understood the game on some level. Also, he had an accent. Wasn't any of you guys was it?
Anyway, I'm interested in hearing from others that have lost sets due to AMOGing and what strategies they employed to either save the set or more importantly, to keep from jeopardizing the set in the first place.
Love,
Larry
I lean over to my friend a say watch this. At which point I open the set with a fun, topical, hypothetical question(more on these in a later post). The girls immediately turn their attention to me, while I focus most of my attention on the guys. At one point the target actually turns my shoulders to face her for some attention. I of course neg her a bit and adjust my body so that she is not completly shut out, and continue the conversation. I ask another hypothetical to which the men cannot answer either way without losing value with the HBs(a dirty trick, but all is fair, no?). One of the guys, he may even be in the community, rather than answer, tells me what interesting guy I am and thanks me for helping him with the girls. As he does this, he moves to put his arm around one of girls. The only problem is, he hasn't established enough comfort for the move, and she removes his arm from her shoulder. This happens as I'm responding to him that "it wasn't for his benifit" while I'm staring directly at the HB.
Great AMOGing right? Wrong, the problem was that while all this was going on, HB3rd friend makes an entrance and completly changes the dynamics of the scene. The HBs scatter and I end up cock-blocking but not stealing the set as was my original intention. The naturals didnt get them, and I didnt get them. This seems to be the case in a lot of AMOG scenarios. The positive energy of the group changes and girls get uncomfortable and look for reasons to abandon ship, which I could normally deal with but I couldn't because I was busy punking this guy out.
Now granted, I was out to steal the set, and doing it solo for that matter, and so understood going in that it would be more complicated than simply opening a new set. Nonetheless, I believe the lesson still holds. Now if these guys had been true AFCs they either would not have understood what was going on or would have been helpless to stop it. Instead they amped the social aggression, AMOGed as best they were able, and prevented me from stealing the set but also lost the set for themselves.
I think the answer here is rather than get into an AMOG session, and amp the aggresion with sublte or not so subtle put downs, is simply not to engage directly. Rather than amp , maybe we need to embrace the AMOG. Don't react. Keep your frame strong, use body language to block out, and, of course, be more entertaining and fun. One good thing about getting AMOGed is that it does break the conversation. In fact, I think I'm going to create a story for the HBs to use in just this situation. It may well be a story about some goon from the past with bad manners that didn't know how to behave at the big people table. Something along those lines.
As an interesting side note, one of the guys I blew out, came up to me afterward and complimented me on a "great line of shit". Very PUA behavior, no hard feelings, defineatly understood the game on some level. Also, he had an accent. Wasn't any of you guys was it?
Anyway, I'm interested in hearing from others that have lost sets due to AMOGing and what strategies they employed to either save the set or more importantly, to keep from jeopardizing the set in the first place.
Love,
Larry