Hired Guns and How to Deal with them

[ReedJ]

Could some one elaborate on the proper technique in dealing with 9 and 8s that are hired guns, especially bartenders?

[holyskeleton]

most of the time they are paid to be nice.

[Rainman]

bartenders....what is it about a sexy girl in a low cut top slinging drinks and flirting with you.....nevermind i just answered my own question--if shes got DD's and she can make a good martini i might marry her....but i digress. for hired guns you need to be there either on a slower night or at a quieter place in the bar. banter works best with bartenders/hired guns but realize that if they are busy and you aren't an "11" worth of interesting she will blow you off and continue to work. social proofing by opening sets at her bar works well also but make sure you aren't just opening 20 sets and losing them all open one Maybe 2 QUALITY sets and build value. ther is no value in opening 10 and having them each stay for 15 seconds. banter with her to an absurd scenario then go for a visualization and paint a picture with your words (NLP tactic that works like a fucking charm, for more on NLP mental manipulation PM me). after that you must close in an unusual way. don't be the 50th guy that night that says "let me get your number" from the other side of the bar...write it ON her arm, or tell her to meet you at the end of the bar where you can actually kino her and pull her out of her element for a minute and go direct on her there. if you get her to meet you at the end of the bar you already have compliance and she should be in the bag at that point. make sure you text her at 300-315 if shes a bartender as thats almost to the minute when bartenders get off for the night after clean up/tip out etc.

[Scoundrel]

I always ask for a drink she doesn't know how to make. Then roll my eyes when she asks how it's made. Bust her for not going to bartender school and imply that she only got the job because she looks good and tell her that there's more to bartending than looking pretty behind the bar. Make her work a little harder to please you, but not so much that you're an asshole.

This stuff works best in dive and college bars where 90% of what she does is pour beers and shots.

[Rainman]

let me add one caveat to that technique....as i am a bartender, and work with MANY HB8+'s unless its 1) a REALLY slow night (IE: she has time to chat about the drink) 2)you make that VERY well calibrated when you deliver it and 3)she actually gives a shit. that line will get you blown out by the girls i know, now thats not to say that line doesn't or hasn't worked for you in the past but you do need time to be able to chat about the drink etc. and to play CF in that routine otherwise she will tell you "well tell me whats in it QUICKLY" or otherwise if shes a huge bitch--roll her eyes and go to the next guy. most female bartenders DID get hired for their looks, they KNOW they got hired for their looks and they don't GIVE a shit about knowing how to make a new drink. also a note about calibration on that....don't order an obscure drink with a funny name (IE: screaming orgasm, monkey fuck, etc.) because then you just look like the pretentious asshole who orders a drink just to get a chance to say the funny name---trust me there is no better way to look like an asshat.

[ReedJ]

I find it very difficult because

1) The HBB(hot babe bartenders) 8s dont work on slow nights.

2) Work at loud clubs.


I had relative success, opening basically a two set with both of them being HBB, one is my friends gf so I used her to focus my energy. Barely addressing the target, I played Style's 5 question game and won a shot out of the girl, they both laughed, negged the target with "I'm sorry but did you just SNORT when you laughed?" was well on me way, establishing myself, but then of course the drinks orders came...

I think it would be probably best to find them when they are at industry parties when they are not working, but the challenge to me is to get them WHILST they are working.

Thanks for the input.

[Scoundrel]

let me add one caveat to that technique....as i am a bartender, and work with MANY HB8+'s unless its 1) a REALLY slow night (IE: she has time to chat about the drink) 2)you make that VERY well calibrated when you deliver it and 3)she actually gives a shit. that line will get you blown out by the girls i know, now thats not to say that line doesn't or hasn't worked for you in the past but you do need time to be able to chat about the drink etc. and to play CF in that routine otherwise she will tell you "well tell me whats in it QUICKLY" or otherwise if shes a huge bitch--roll her eyes and go to the next guy. most female bartenders DID get hired for their looks, they KNOW they got hired for their looks and they don't GIVE a shit about knowing how to make a new drink. also a note about calibration on that....don't order an obscure drink with a funny name (IE: screaming orgasm, monkey fuck, etc.) because then you just look like the pretentious asshole who orders a drink just to get a chance to say the funny name---trust me there is no better way to look like an asshat.

Good points! I always ask for a classic drink like a vodka martini with a twist. IMHO every bartender should know how to make this clasic drink. It's James Bond!

Yes, everything I said works only if it's slow and she has time to talk. But, if she is busy and doesn't have time to talk, nothing is going to work. You can't run game on any girl that can't chat.

Also, she must not take her job lightly. She has to care about doing a good job. If she doesn't, she shouldn't be behind a bar anyway. I've yet to run into a bartender that wasn't working hard to please.

I once asked for a scotch and soda. The stupid girl at the bar gave me scotch and coke. I busted her hard!