[QUOTE=Finesse;40787]Yes it does. :D I use it.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I tend to agree with Finesse here. Even if you haven't set that frame from the get go if you just all the sudden act displeased(she can't get you off) her hamsters are going to spin fucking wild. She WILL indeed step up to the plate and WANT to get you off.
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by Guest » Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:12 pm
[QUOTE=Bull Run;40779]PC is right man. When it comes to sex the key is to just do what you want. If it turns out that they didn't like what you did you can always use the 'I just got carried away' card.
An example, I was fucking a chick the other day. She's pretty young but still pretty experimental in the sack. Anyway, she was riding me and I decided that I was going to choke her. Yes, girls DO like this. No, you won't end up with a dead girl on your cock. The girls that DO like this, and you'd be surprised how many, in fact, do, don't just like being choked. No, they LOVE being choked. They ride your cock, you choke them, they pass out, you keep fucking them, then they wake back up to probably the most intense O they'll ever have in their lifetime. Seriously.
But, I digress. She was riding my magnificant cock and I started choking her. She did NOT like this. She starting flailing around. And sort of slapped my hands away from her neck.
HB Young One: "You just choked me..."
Bull Run: "Uh huh. You don't like that?"
HB Young One: "No!!!"
Bull Run: "Okay...get on your back."
She got on her back and I blew my load on her face as a form of punishment for denying my choking overtures. Then, she said something like:
HB Young One: "Jesus...you could have told me you were going to cum on my face so I could have been prepared..."
Bull Run: "I suppose..."
She cleaned up. I rolled over to go to sleep. She crawled back in bed and started snuggling against my back. Eventually, I rolled over and put my arm under her head and rewarded her for still being sweet even in the face of my devious sexual exploits.
Point is this. Whatever girl you're with has already decided to fuck you. That's about 85% of what's really important to get repeat business from her. Once a girl's fucked a guy she's infinitely more likely to fuck him again. Now, the way I see it there are really two types of girls we're talking about.
The girl that fucks one guy at a time and the girl that's riding the Cock Carousel. In the former case, this girl is fucking just you and that's probably how she rolls. She doesn't fuck just to fuck. She holds out for an Alpha male and fucks only him (until she gets bored or he leaves). Since you're the guy that she's, literally, been waiting for her aim is to please you at pretty much any cost. She will do what you want as long as you don't give her the option to say no. And, she'll gladly keep fucking you even if you have a small dick (and it IS a big deal guys, women LOVE big cocks but if they like you they'll overlook a less than stellar meat stick), even if you suck in bed, even if you do something weird that she doesn't like.
The girl riding the Cock Carousel is a different story. Sure, she fucked you once which makes her infinitely more likely to fuck you again. But, the aforementioned three reasons are very important to her. Cock size, skills, abilities, and technique become VERY important to her because it's what sets you apart from the other guys she's fucking. Most likely you're all Alpha males so that won't really set you apart from the mix. No, it's going to be the guy that possesses the other 15% that wins the day. She's going to judge each one on cock size, technique, and abilities/skill and she's going to pick the one magical cock that delievers the most in those categories. And, that will be the guy she decides to get off the cock carousel with. The reason is because that shit is important to her otherwise she'd be in the first category and would be happy fucking an Alpha male with less than stellar sexual attributes.
Understand though, that in both categories, the guy that just does what he does and leads in bed and is aggressive and doesn't apologize for what he does and LIKES in the sack is going to be the guy she KEEPS fucking. It's the guys that tell a girl what they want or talk about what kind of sex they like in the hopes of getting her to comply later that lose. Just fuck her, fuck her proper, do what you wish with her, don't act like what you're doing is a big deal, and don't apologize. You'd be surprised what you can get away with...[/QUOTE]
This right here is some great shit, in fact, it should be required reading for anyone on here. I have had conversations with Bull Run about sex and such and we have discussed this topic on many occasions.
I fuck just like what Bull Run wrote in that last paragraph. I have never claimed to have a huge cock. I have never claimed to be good in bed. I don't give a shit about her pleasure(well maybe a little). I don't lick puss. And yet even being the asshole/selfish lover in bed that I am for whatever reason the girls come a knockin. I have actually had girls thank me for fucking them the way I do. I can only imagine that a lot of guys are kinda pusses in bed or something since frankly I really don't think I am that great.
Throw her around, move her into the positions you want, grab her hair and make her blow you while you are changing positions, fuck her mouth a little, cum where you want without apology and if she gets pissed answer with "Good". You got it in my hair! "Good". You got it on my face! "Good".
On a side note: Have you really choked a girl out like that? Man that seems unsafe, yet it peaks my curiosity for some demented reason. That's gotta be 1/1000 type of girl who would let it go that far. Is it only done while she is on top...that is just blowing my mind right now.
An example, I was fucking a chick the other day. She's pretty young but still pretty experimental in the sack. Anyway, she was riding me and I decided that I was going to choke her. Yes, girls DO like this. No, you won't end up with a dead girl on your cock. The girls that DO like this, and you'd be surprised how many, in fact, do, don't just like being choked. No, they LOVE being choked. They ride your cock, you choke them, they pass out, you keep fucking them, then they wake back up to probably the most intense O they'll ever have in their lifetime. Seriously.
But, I digress. She was riding my magnificant cock and I started choking her. She did NOT like this. She starting flailing around. And sort of slapped my hands away from her neck.
HB Young One: "You just choked me..."
Bull Run: "Uh huh. You don't like that?"
HB Young One: "No!!!"
Bull Run: "Okay...get on your back."
She got on her back and I blew my load on her face as a form of punishment for denying my choking overtures. Then, she said something like:
HB Young One: "Jesus...you could have told me you were going to cum on my face so I could have been prepared..."
Bull Run: "I suppose..."
She cleaned up. I rolled over to go to sleep. She crawled back in bed and started snuggling against my back. Eventually, I rolled over and put my arm under her head and rewarded her for still being sweet even in the face of my devious sexual exploits.
Point is this. Whatever girl you're with has already decided to fuck you. That's about 85% of what's really important to get repeat business from her. Once a girl's fucked a guy she's infinitely more likely to fuck him again. Now, the way I see it there are really two types of girls we're talking about.
The girl that fucks one guy at a time and the girl that's riding the Cock Carousel. In the former case, this girl is fucking just you and that's probably how she rolls. She doesn't fuck just to fuck. She holds out for an Alpha male and fucks only him (until she gets bored or he leaves). Since you're the guy that she's, literally, been waiting for her aim is to please you at pretty much any cost. She will do what you want as long as you don't give her the option to say no. And, she'll gladly keep fucking you even if you have a small dick (and it IS a big deal guys, women LOVE big cocks but if they like you they'll overlook a less than stellar meat stick), even if you suck in bed, even if you do something weird that she doesn't like.
The girl riding the Cock Carousel is a different story. Sure, she fucked you once which makes her infinitely more likely to fuck you again. But, the aforementioned three reasons are very important to her. Cock size, skills, abilities, and technique become VERY important to her because it's what sets you apart from the other guys she's fucking. Most likely you're all Alpha males so that won't really set you apart from the mix. No, it's going to be the guy that possesses the other 15% that wins the day. She's going to judge each one on cock size, technique, and abilities/skill and she's going to pick the one magical cock that delievers the most in those categories. And, that will be the guy she decides to get off the cock carousel with. The reason is because that shit is important to her otherwise she'd be in the first category and would be happy fucking an Alpha male with less than stellar sexual attributes.
Understand though, that in both categories, the guy that just does what he does and leads in bed and is aggressive and doesn't apologize for what he does and LIKES in the sack is going to be the guy she KEEPS fucking. It's the guys that tell a girl what they want or talk about what kind of sex they like in the hopes of getting her to comply later that lose. Just fuck her, fuck her proper, do what you wish with her, don't act like what you're doing is a big deal, and don't apologize. You'd be surprised what you can get away with...[/QUOTE]
This right here is some great shit, in fact, it should be required reading for anyone on here. I have had conversations with Bull Run about sex and such and we have discussed this topic on many occasions.
I fuck just like what Bull Run wrote in that last paragraph. I have never claimed to have a huge cock. I have never claimed to be good in bed. I don't give a shit about her pleasure(well maybe a little). I don't lick puss. And yet even being the asshole/selfish lover in bed that I am for whatever reason the girls come a knockin. I have actually had girls thank me for fucking them the way I do. I can only imagine that a lot of guys are kinda pusses in bed or something since frankly I really don't think I am that great.
Throw her around, move her into the positions you want, grab her hair and make her blow you while you are changing positions, fuck her mouth a little, cum where you want without apology and if she gets pissed answer with "Good". You got it in my hair! "Good". You got it on my face! "Good".
On a side note: Have you really choked a girl out like that? Man that seems unsafe, yet it peaks my curiosity for some demented reason. That's gotta be 1/1000 type of girl who would let it go that far. Is it only done while she is on top...that is just blowing my mind right now.
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by Guest » Sun Mar 27, 2011 11:14 pm
Alright, two things to address here:
1) Yes, after a little thought I do agree that this tactic will work with an LTR. BUT, I think it depends on the kind of girl. Think back to my two types of women: 1) one Alpha cock at a time OR 2) the Cock Carousel rider. The one-cock-at-a-time LTR will absolutely, 100%, unequivocally respond to this technique with renewed sexual vigor.
HOWEVER, I do believe that the former Cock Carousel Beauty Queen will just get frustrated and find another cock that she can please. The reason is simple. The OCAAT woman's self-esteem is not tied up in her ability to get you off...instead, it's tied up in her ability to make you HAPPY. The Cock Carousel Beauty Queen's self-esteem is tied up in her sexual prowess. Once you compromise that, she'll definitely find another set of balls to drain on a regular basis so that she feels validated.
2) PC, you can choke a girl in any position you wish. However, I'm a large, powerful, muscular, studly specimen of a Bull, therefore I tend to pick very submissive positions from which to choke a woman. Think about it. There are really 3 basic sexually positions: doggy, missionary (lights on or off), and the girl riding you. Of those three positions which one makes the woman feel the most empowered? If you've ever had sex then you don't need for me to answer, if not then the answer is when she rides you.
So, choking a girl is probably the ultimate form of Alpha, sexual, aggressiveness. As such, you have to hedge that a little bit by allowing your lady to have an 'out.' She has to feel like she can freely move and that she's not 'cornered.' Obviously, this goes away after a while once she's comfortable with you're sexual power AND with the entire idea of being choked. Once she's cool with being choked while she's riding your magnificant piece of hot man chicken then you know you can take it to the next level.
How do you know when she's comfortable with the concept? While she's riding you, if she grabs your hand and puts it to her neck like a dog that nudges your hand in the hopes that you pet her (women and dogs act the same in many ways, this is no different). Then, you know that you can start choking her whenever you please.
Doggie style? Good to go.
Missonary? GTG.
Reverse Cowgirl? GTG.
Blow Jobs? GTG (by shoving her mouth on your cock).
While cooking dinner? GTG (depending on whether or not you're hungry...for food)
In the shower? GTG....pull a Psycho on her
While driving? GTG....only if she's the passenger.
There's your answer. Again, it all comes down to what YOU want to do...
PS: The first good choking sexcapade is always the scariest. When she passes out you kind of freak out thinking that she won't wake up. But, she will so just be patient. If you DO freak out, then just slap her on her face a little bit and tell her that she passed out (hopefully you can use the excuse that she drank too much).
PSS: The number is way higher that 1/1000. It's more like 1/5. And, that's being conservative.
Good fucking...
1) Yes, after a little thought I do agree that this tactic will work with an LTR. BUT, I think it depends on the kind of girl. Think back to my two types of women: 1) one Alpha cock at a time OR 2) the Cock Carousel rider. The one-cock-at-a-time LTR will absolutely, 100%, unequivocally respond to this technique with renewed sexual vigor.
HOWEVER, I do believe that the former Cock Carousel Beauty Queen will just get frustrated and find another cock that she can please. The reason is simple. The OCAAT woman's self-esteem is not tied up in her ability to get you off...instead, it's tied up in her ability to make you HAPPY. The Cock Carousel Beauty Queen's self-esteem is tied up in her sexual prowess. Once you compromise that, she'll definitely find another set of balls to drain on a regular basis so that she feels validated.
2) PC, you can choke a girl in any position you wish. However, I'm a large, powerful, muscular, studly specimen of a Bull, therefore I tend to pick very submissive positions from which to choke a woman. Think about it. There are really 3 basic sexually positions: doggy, missionary (lights on or off), and the girl riding you. Of those three positions which one makes the woman feel the most empowered? If you've ever had sex then you don't need for me to answer, if not then the answer is when she rides you.
So, choking a girl is probably the ultimate form of Alpha, sexual, aggressiveness. As such, you have to hedge that a little bit by allowing your lady to have an 'out.' She has to feel like she can freely move and that she's not 'cornered.' Obviously, this goes away after a while once she's comfortable with you're sexual power AND with the entire idea of being choked. Once she's cool with being choked while she's riding your magnificant piece of hot man chicken then you know you can take it to the next level.
How do you know when she's comfortable with the concept? While she's riding you, if she grabs your hand and puts it to her neck like a dog that nudges your hand in the hopes that you pet her (women and dogs act the same in many ways, this is no different). Then, you know that you can start choking her whenever you please.
Doggie style? Good to go.
Missonary? GTG.
Reverse Cowgirl? GTG.
Blow Jobs? GTG (by shoving her mouth on your cock).
While cooking dinner? GTG (depending on whether or not you're hungry...for food)
In the shower? GTG....pull a Psycho on her
While driving? GTG....only if she's the passenger.
There's your answer. Again, it all comes down to what YOU want to do...
PS: The first good choking sexcapade is always the scariest. When she passes out you kind of freak out thinking that she won't wake up. But, she will so just be patient. If you DO freak out, then just slap her on her face a little bit and tell her that she passed out (hopefully you can use the excuse that she drank too much).
PSS: The number is way higher that 1/1000. It's more like 1/5. And, that's being conservative.
Good fucking...
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by Guest » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:27 am
I played with this last night with my girlfriend.
I said, its just not going to happen babe. She asked me what was not going to happen. I told her, I'm not going to be able to cum tonight.
Well, lets just say... she made sure that I finished. :)
When we were done, the first thing she says to me is, I took that as a challenge...
I asked, you took what as a challenge?
She replied, I felt like I had to make you come.
I said, its just not going to happen babe. She asked me what was not going to happen. I told her, I'm not going to be able to cum tonight.
Well, lets just say... she made sure that I finished. :)
When we were done, the first thing she says to me is, I took that as a challenge...
I asked, you took what as a challenge?
She replied, I felt like I had to make you come.
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by Guest » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:38 am
[QUOTE=Carnal;40804]I played with this last night with my girlfriend.
I said, its just not going to happen babe. She asked me what was not going to happen. I told her, I'm not going to be able to cum tonight.
Well, lets just say... she made sure that I finished. :)
When we were done, the first thing she says to me is, I took that as a challenge...
I asked, you took what as a challenge?
She replied, I felt like I had to make you come.[/QUOTE]
SUCCESS!!!
Although, I would have just stopped and gone to sleep. Let her sit and stew about it and you'll be rewarded handsomely.
OR
I would have told her that I needed to fuck her ass to cum. Especially if I'd never done it before.
I said, its just not going to happen babe. She asked me what was not going to happen. I told her, I'm not going to be able to cum tonight.
Well, lets just say... she made sure that I finished. :)
When we were done, the first thing she says to me is, I took that as a challenge...
I asked, you took what as a challenge?
She replied, I felt like I had to make you come.[/QUOTE]
SUCCESS!!!
Although, I would have just stopped and gone to sleep. Let her sit and stew about it and you'll be rewarded handsomely.
OR
I would have told her that I needed to fuck her ass to cum. Especially if I'd never done it before.
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by Guest » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:53 am
BR, I'll have to disagree wityow point in one of the previous posts.
I believe that the cock carousel rider would see it as a challenge. You mention that her ego is tied to her sexual prowess and ability to make men come. So I would imagine that you would be the only guy in her roster that doesn't come. If that's the case, I think shed try harder to make you come, albeit for an entirely different reason that the ocaat girl.
Ocaat: I want to please my man and make him happy
ccr: I'm gonna make him come so that it would validate my worth
see, it would be very similar to a neg (the ultimate neg actually), and we all know the effects of negs on validation seeking whores.
I believe that the cock carousel rider would see it as a challenge. You mention that her ego is tied to her sexual prowess and ability to make men come. So I would imagine that you would be the only guy in her roster that doesn't come. If that's the case, I think shed try harder to make you come, albeit for an entirely different reason that the ocaat girl.
Ocaat: I want to please my man and make him happy
ccr: I'm gonna make him come so that it would validate my worth
see, it would be very similar to a neg (the ultimate neg actually), and we all know the effects of negs on validation seeking whores.
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by Guest » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:09 am
[QUOTE=Bull Run;40805]SUCCESS!!!
Although, I would have just stopped and gone to sleep. Let her sit and stew about it and you'll be rewarded handsomely.
OR
I would have told her that I needed to fuck her ass to cum. Especially if I'd never done it before.[/QUOTE]
:D You're a trip!
Although, I would have just stopped and gone to sleep. Let her sit and stew about it and you'll be rewarded handsomely.
OR
I would have told her that I needed to fuck her ass to cum. Especially if I'd never done it before.[/QUOTE]
:D You're a trip!
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by Guest » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:51 am
[QUOTE=Prodigy;40808]BR, I'll have to disagree wityow point in one of the previous posts.
I believe that the cock carousel rider would see it as a challenge. You mention that her ego is tied to her sexual prowess and ability to make men come. So I would imagine that you would be the only guy in her roster that doesn't come. If that's the case, I think shed try harder to make you come, albeit for an entirely different reason that the ocaat girl.
Ocaat: I want to please my man and make him happy
ccr: I'm gonna make him come so that it would validate my worth
see, it would be very similar to a neg (the ultimate neg actually), and we all know the effects of negs on validation seeking whores.[/QUOTE]
The woman that's on the Cock Carousel, which can be a short-term phase or a permanent personality trait, has different priorities. She uses her sexuality to influence men, it's her source of power, her relationship currency. So, she spends her sexuality with men that can provide her with that which she wants: attention, money, influence, control, etc.
So, not only is her self-esteem tied up in her sexuality but also her way of life. It is how she gets by and interacts with the world. We've all met girls like this and virtually all girls go through a phase such as this at some point in their lives (if they're a fan of Chelsea then she's definitely riding the carousel). Generally, they stop acting this way because they grow tired of flaunting themselves and wish to seek a real connection OR because her power over men through her vag loses it's effect.
This is where she's coming from and where her head is, as such, this would not be perceived as a neg. Remember, a neg is playful in nature (i.e. I love your boots, my grandma has a pair just like them...but they look better on you). There's nothing playful about telling her you can't cum. That's just destructive to her OR she just won't fucking care .
After that, it's hard to say what she'll do. Will she just roll over, go to sleep, and then jump on another cock the next day from her carousel? Possibly. Or, will she like the idea of losing her power over you? Putting her in her place as a woman with a stronger, more powerful man (which is what all women really want deep down inside). Maybe.
I suppose it all depends on where is she in the Cock Carousel phase? Is she close to being burned out? Is she tired of the power that comes with controlling and influencing men via her pussy? Is she growing cynical regarding men and love? Is she starting to think of herself as a slut? If she's close to dismounting from the carousel, then I say that running this tactic could be the push she needs to jump off the carousel and into an LTR with you AND she would do so with the upmost respect for you. She, would literally, be in awe of your strength and power. You're the one guy that she couldn't buy with her pussy...
Did she just enter into the Cock Carousel phase? Does she thoroughly enjoy the 'empowerment' that her pussy provides? Is it a source of PRIDE? Is she a full on slut and is OK with it? If so, then I would contend that she would simply get on a different seat to validate herself and file you away as sexually stunted. "I'm hot. I'm sexy. I'm good in bed (when a woman thinks that they usually suck). It's not ME. He must just be getting OLD or he's a closet HOMO. NEXT!!!"
The other factor is how Alpha you are compared to the other members of her carousel. If you're, by far, the MOST Alpha of the group then I think she'll be more likely to stay. If you possess a magical cock then I think she'll be more likely to stay or, at least, ride your junk again to give it another shot.
So, you do have a point. With the CCR I don't think it's necessarily black-and-white because there are other options and variables at work. The OCAAT girl will MOST DEFINITELY succumb to your wishes when you run this tactic.
I believe that the cock carousel rider would see it as a challenge. You mention that her ego is tied to her sexual prowess and ability to make men come. So I would imagine that you would be the only guy in her roster that doesn't come. If that's the case, I think shed try harder to make you come, albeit for an entirely different reason that the ocaat girl.
Ocaat: I want to please my man and make him happy
ccr: I'm gonna make him come so that it would validate my worth
see, it would be very similar to a neg (the ultimate neg actually), and we all know the effects of negs on validation seeking whores.[/QUOTE]
The woman that's on the Cock Carousel, which can be a short-term phase or a permanent personality trait, has different priorities. She uses her sexuality to influence men, it's her source of power, her relationship currency. So, she spends her sexuality with men that can provide her with that which she wants: attention, money, influence, control, etc.
So, not only is her self-esteem tied up in her sexuality but also her way of life. It is how she gets by and interacts with the world. We've all met girls like this and virtually all girls go through a phase such as this at some point in their lives (if they're a fan of Chelsea then she's definitely riding the carousel). Generally, they stop acting this way because they grow tired of flaunting themselves and wish to seek a real connection OR because her power over men through her vag loses it's effect.
This is where she's coming from and where her head is, as such, this would not be perceived as a neg. Remember, a neg is playful in nature (i.e. I love your boots, my grandma has a pair just like them...but they look better on you). There's nothing playful about telling her you can't cum. That's just destructive to her OR she just won't fucking care .
After that, it's hard to say what she'll do. Will she just roll over, go to sleep, and then jump on another cock the next day from her carousel? Possibly. Or, will she like the idea of losing her power over you? Putting her in her place as a woman with a stronger, more powerful man (which is what all women really want deep down inside). Maybe.
I suppose it all depends on where is she in the Cock Carousel phase? Is she close to being burned out? Is she tired of the power that comes with controlling and influencing men via her pussy? Is she growing cynical regarding men and love? Is she starting to think of herself as a slut? If she's close to dismounting from the carousel, then I say that running this tactic could be the push she needs to jump off the carousel and into an LTR with you AND she would do so with the upmost respect for you. She, would literally, be in awe of your strength and power. You're the one guy that she couldn't buy with her pussy...
Did she just enter into the Cock Carousel phase? Does she thoroughly enjoy the 'empowerment' that her pussy provides? Is it a source of PRIDE? Is she a full on slut and is OK with it? If so, then I would contend that she would simply get on a different seat to validate herself and file you away as sexually stunted. "I'm hot. I'm sexy. I'm good in bed (when a woman thinks that they usually suck). It's not ME. He must just be getting OLD or he's a closet HOMO. NEXT!!!"
The other factor is how Alpha you are compared to the other members of her carousel. If you're, by far, the MOST Alpha of the group then I think she'll be more likely to stay. If you possess a magical cock then I think she'll be more likely to stay or, at least, ride your junk again to give it another shot.
So, you do have a point. With the CCR I don't think it's necessarily black-and-white because there are other options and variables at work. The OCAAT girl will MOST DEFINITELY succumb to your wishes when you run this tactic.
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