Thoughts on AMOGing

[Larry Biggerstaff]

So I was out at ZaZA a few weeks ago with an AFC buddy, when I notice a mixed set, 2 guys clearly gaming a HB7 and and an HB6, and decided to have a little fun.

I lean over to my friend a say watch this. At which point I open the set with a fun, topical, hypothetical question(more on these in a later post). The girls immediately turn their attention to me, while I focus most of my attention on the guys. At one point the target actually turns my shoulders to face her for some attention. I of course neg her a bit and adjust my body so that she is not completly shut out, and continue the conversation. I ask another hypothetical to which the men cannot answer either way without losing value with the HBs(a dirty trick, but all is fair, no?). One of the guys, he may even be in the community, rather than answer, tells me what interesting guy I am and thanks me for helping him with the girls. As he does this, he moves to put his arm around one of girls. The only problem is, he hasn't established enough comfort for the move, and she removes his arm from her shoulder. This happens as I'm responding to him that "it wasn't for his benifit" while I'm staring directly at the HB.

Great AMOGing right? Wrong, the problem was that while all this was going on, HB3rd friend makes an entrance and completly changes the dynamics of the scene. The HBs scatter and I end up cock-blocking but not stealing the set as was my original intention. The naturals didnt get them, and I didnt get them. This seems to be the case in a lot of AMOG scenarios. The positive energy of the group changes and girls get uncomfortable and look for reasons to abandon ship, which I could normally deal with but I couldn't because I was busy punking this guy out.

Now granted, I was out to steal the set, and doing it solo for that matter, and so understood going in that it would be more complicated than simply opening a new set. Nonetheless, I believe the lesson still holds. Now if these guys had been true AFCs they either would not have understood what was going on or would have been helpless to stop it. Instead they amped the social aggression, AMOGed as best they were able, and prevented me from stealing the set but also lost the set for themselves.

I think the answer here is rather than get into an AMOG session, and amp the aggresion with sublte or not so subtle put downs, is simply not to engage directly. Rather than amp , maybe we need to embrace the AMOG. Don't react. Keep your frame strong, use body language to block out, and, of course, be more entertaining and fun. One good thing about getting AMOGed is that it does break the conversation. In fact, I think I'm going to create a story for the HBs to use in just this situation. It may well be a story about some goon from the past with bad manners that didn't know how to behave at the big people table. Something along those lines.

As an interesting side note, one of the guys I blew out, came up to me afterward and complimented me on a "great line of shit". Very PUA behavior, no hard feelings, defineatly understood the game on some level. Also, he had an accent. Wasn't any of you guys was it?

Anyway, I'm interested in hearing from others that have lost sets due to AMOGing and what strategies they employed to either save the set or more importantly, to keep from jeopardizing the set in the first place.

Love,
Larry

[Finesse]

one of the things I have realized about AMOGing is that, usually you will be the higher prized guy, immeiately for coming into the set. Your goal is to finish off the attraction, reach hook point, ask how they know each other. Once she says.... "oh we just met" focus on her. and block him out. if he gives you shit then you can choose which AMOG tactics you would like to use. So that way you guys arent "fighting" hes just being a jack ass and interupting you. Then eventually you can isolate or merge.

Thats one tactic you could use.

You had attraction it seems. You even mentioned that she physically turned you to face her. Indicating to me that you already out alpha'd him and all you needed to do was ignore him.

[Rhody]

You had attraction it seems. You even mentioned that she physically turned you to face her. Indicating to me that you already out alpha'd him and all you needed to do was ignore him.

That's what I was thinking about posting, but you beat me to it. To me, AMOGing is a last resort. If you open the set, run better game, and ignore the guy, then he will probably just walk away.

[MagicBalls]

Ignoring is the greatest weapon. Ignoring someone speaks volumes in a social situation, especially if you've got the group engaged enough to ignore that person with you. Otherwise you get distracted and your target might run off. An occasional quip may be all right, so long as it's somewhat indirect and without acknowledging the person.

I've been on both sides of this, by the way. I'm a tall, slightly overbearing, Italian-looking guy, and sometimes insecure guys may feel threatened when I'm around their women friends. While it may not feel like you're doing much by ignoring, the ignored guy is definitely feeling it, I assure you.

You know, it's funny. I saw something on the Discovery Channel that spoke volumes about sexual behavior. There was this large male turtle going after the female turtle on the grassy hill. Suddenly the male turtle is met by competition from another male turtle in the territory. The two large male turtles start duking it out. While the two male turtles are fighting for the female, another, smaller turtle sneaks up on the female, gets on top of her, and immediately starts mating. So while he is making loud sounds, swaying neck movements, and contorted facial expressions with his neck stretch out and up, in the blurry background you see two male turtles snapping and biting at each other.

[foresight]

Ignoring is the greatest weapon. Ignoring someone speaks volumes in a social situation, especially if you've got the group engaged enough to ignore that person with you. Otherwise you get distracted and your target might run off. An occasional quip may be all right, so long as it's somewhat indirect and without acknowledging the person.

I've been on both sides of this, by the way. I'm a tall, slightly overbearing, Italian-looking guy, and sometimes insecure guys may feel threatened when I'm around their women friends. While it may not feel like you're doing much by ignoring, the ignored guy is definitely feeling it, I assure you.

You know, it's funny. I saw something on the Discovery Channel that spoke volumes about sexual behavior. There was this large male turtle going after the female turtle on the grassy hill. Suddenly the male turtle is met by competition from another male turtle in the territory. The two large male turtles start duking it out. While the two male turtles are fighting for the female, another, smaller turtle sneaks up on the female, gets on top of her, and immediately starts mating. So while he is making loud sounds, swaying neck movements, and contorted facial expressions with his neck stretch out and up, in the blurry background you see two male turtles snapping and biting at each other.

Classic!

[Twitchy]

My thought is if you are going to AMOG, you gotta be prepared to fight. The community has many tactics and techniques to AMOG, all of which work very well, but there are always exceptions to every rule.

As for myself, I only AMOG on rare occasions. I would prefer to befriend the guy first and win over the group. It is more difficult but more effective and safer.

I have several anti-AMOG tactics for when someone AMOGs me and they are all effective. Some of them are from the community and several are ones that I came up with myself that work really well.

That being said, before civilization, there was man. I WILL fight and have many times. Although I am older and out of shape now, I used to box and KNOW that it really doesn't matter who is bigger, it is really about who gets the first good hits in that wins. Most guys have never been in a serious fight before and shut down or turn into a crying bitch when they get hit in the face a couple of times.

When I am really into a girl or not that into her is when this most happens for me. If I am really into her, I will confront if someone is disrespectful and tries to take her away. If I am not really into her and some guy starts messing with my set, I may decide that I would have more fun teaching him a lesson vs. getting the girl. Especially if I have been doing Tuaca shots.

Morale of the story - if you are going to AMOG, be prepared to back it up.

[Finesse]

Morale of the story - if you are going to AMOG, be prepared to back it up.

Preach it brother man.

Amen.

[Kraven]

PUAs

Model for everything I use about AMOGing via (TD) and Juggler respectively below:

*PRACTICE AMOGing - Try taking another PUAs targets and check out how they tool you. Educational and not really that (dangerous)

Why else AMOG or learn to steal sets? Targets are easier once their BT has been raised by another natural/PUA and they feel sexy. This is apparently standard PU tactic some (places)

Or just because you find your target hot enough to be worth going out on social limb to get

*If you're in set and others are trying to AMOG, bring them in like Twitchy also mentioned (this is tricky but if you're controlling the set correctly you'll still remain AMOG)

((Diplomacy) doesn't always go well)

Like Finesse says the goal of a PUA is to get the AMOG to DLV before they do, so that they leave or commit a social (violation), so its a little contest to see who has tighter game and gets this out of others first

Lower (GV) and Uptown on weeknights are the best place to practice this... check out the out of town business chode, 30yr old frat 4 life (natural) and the amateur PUA all try to break into each others sets