Sorry fathers for I have sinned, it has been almost 2 months since my last confession...
I have been quite busy actually, developing some new frame work stuff that I don't think I have seen anywhere, there may be people who know it, but I don't think they are aware that they actually know it.
What I am talking about is a break up of 6 different types of frames (at least), there may be more, however I have not found them as of yet.
Internal Thinking Frames
External Thinking Frames
Internal Action Frames
External Action Frames
Internal Physchological Frames
External Physhological Frames
Each one plays an important role in ANY interaction. You have heard El Topo, Sinn, and CJ talk about how frames are the "bounderies of how a social situation is conducted." [URL]http://the-red-mole.blogspot.com/2007/11/frames.html[/URL], and I agree, however I also purpose, is a "picture frame theory" in which applies to the overall picture.
Each person has an all encompassing frame in which their entire LIFE is based. This is where all thier thoughts on ANY subject are formed, thoughts on things from sex before marriage, to abortion, to polotics and who they think should win the election and why, why they eat the foods they do, and why they act a certain way. You see a frame does define the boundry of the social interaction, however to say that one frame is the only thing that does would require one to acknowledge the fact that there are different types of frames as a whole. You can't have an atom unless you have a nucleus and protons/electrons.
Same concept.
I call this picture frame theory, and this is my best explanation of it thus far.
[IMG]http://www.oklahomalair.com/Finesse/PFT.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/146/l_165ac72b18cc4b5ea32e372c527609ce.jpg[/IMG]
Each color box is representative of a certain pre-existing frame or "internal frame" that someone has in regards to ANYTHING already within their life. The grey is their internal life frame, the other colors could represent anything really however for this example we will consider the white picture frame their "sex frame". Each of the other frames that have to do with "sex" are now tied into this persons reason to or not to have sex. "The reasons are numerous, however, thanks to society and advertising, most women have a pretty standard view of sex and when they will and wont have it. I won't get into the brass tacks here since CJ has covered it pretty well here [URL]http://captainjackpua.blogspot.com/2008/02/fuck-buddy-rules.html[/URL]. He has also covered other aspects of boyfriend frames vs. FB frames check his blog out.
Going back to the model lets say the black frame represents her desire to be wanted in life by others.... standard woman desire, it's bred into them, however, they also want to be considered a "strong, intelligent woman" represented by the red frame, and of course, as CJ has pin pointed they don't want to be judged, represented here by the green frame, and the ability for her to keep it a secret, represented by the blue frame. Everything is taken into acount in whether or not she will or wont have sex with you (white frame) and you have to make sure you cover as many social norms as possible in regards to what frames she has.
Again, CJ has done an excellent job of pointing out the rules for gaining a fuck buddy, HOWEVER these rules apply to everything, not just fuck buddies.
Ever met someone who could talk themselves into free shit, or out of a jam? They utilize picture frame theory in regards to peoples generosity, these people are also border line con artists if not full fledged con artists.
The above is the basis to understand my 6 frames;
Internal Thinking Frames
External Thinking Frames
Internal Action Frames
External Action Frames
Internal Physchological Frames
External Physhological Frames
Ponder on that for a little bit and check back, I will release the meaning behind these 6 frames soon...
Dallas PUA
The Pickup Artist Playground
Finesse's Picture Frame Theory
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by Guest » Wed Jun 18, 2008 12:27 am
[b]Part 2 – Picture Frame Theory at work[/b]
Framing someone into something can be calibrated with a simple cause and effect type set up. For instance, if one is sitting on the couch and his buddy walks by, the person on the couch asks his buddy to toss him the pillow on the floor as he walks by: chances are he will since he is walking by. Take that same guy on the couch and let’s instead say that he wants something out of the way for the guy that’s walking by. Let’s say he wants something to drink.
Well, several things HAVE to be considered when implementing a frame…. For one, does that other person live there? Are they a guest or a host? If they are a host are they a good host? Are they in a good mood? Do they even like you (guy who is sitting on the couch)? These are all questions that have to be answered before a controlled frame can even be implemented.
ALL of these, though, are answered before you even bat an eyelash. This is the reason momentum and social proof are so very important.
You are sitting on the couch, and the person that walks in is the host, if they are generous they don’t even care that you are just sitting there, they may wonder why the pillow is on the ground, but regardless. Obviously they somewhat like you since they are being a host, and if they are the generous type host then they are “socially†obligated to treat you better then they would their family…. Sorta (there is a line). You ask them to throw you the pillow on the ground, he will because 1) its his pillow and he doesn’t like his shit on the ground because he takes care of his stuff, 2) he’s the generous host and 3) its on his way through. The picture frame for that person to do something is already established thus picking up the pillow is no big deal.
However, say that person on the couch wanted a drink of water, but didn’t want to get up… the kitchen is NOT on the way. Well we are still in luck, the fact that the host is of the generous kind plays to our lazy man’s plan. All he would have to do then was ask “Hey do you know if we have any ice?†Since it’s not his place its acceptable for him to ask such a question, and chances are the host would then go into the kitchen. Making a glass of water “on the wayâ€. The host will probably ask “Do you want something to drink?†or “Yeah we have a little, why do you ask?†(in which you say “Yes, that would be lovely.†Or “I was thinking about getting something to drink.†(to which he would probably respond “what do you want, ill get it for you.†))
Picture frame theory is about creating and acknowledging the frame around any given conversation to apply in the way you want, in hopes, for the outcome you wish for.
Take a girl giving her number out. There are a number of reasons women give their numbers out…. They’re drunk, horny, lonely, want to get rid of you and then will never answer or ask who’s this, they really like you, they want to hit on your friend, etc.. the list can go on. Regardless, you want the number…. But you want to get it under the right contexts.
Preferably the, lonely, horny, really like you frame.
How do you establish this? Well getting her to like you is simple… just follow any of the countless community ways of building attraction. The hard part is in the setting the other stages.
Think of frames as a play on stage. There are countless sets that are designed.
Your goals, and what you look for in women are the sets for your frames.
As you go through this play, you will need to set up each picture frame for whatever it is you are trying to accomplish.
By the above example, the lonely and horny parts can be achieved by establishing the life frame or in other words her “Internal Psychological Frameâ€. How do you do that you might ask… You use your external thinking frames and internal action frames to influence her internal thinking frame and internal action frame. Sound like greek?
Lemme break down the meanings:
These definitions are to be viewed as if in first person.
Internal Thinking Frames – Are frames inside your mind that you are consciously thinking about at any given moment about any given event, thing, person, etc… (i.e. “It’s on! She’s totally digging me†or “I’m the baddest mofo in here.â€)
External Thinking Frames – Are phrases you say to make another person consciously think of something (i.e. Don’t think of a black cat.)
Internal Action Frames – Are frames that are a call to action of yourself and thinking frames realized (i.e. the 3 second rule, put your hand on her leg, etc…)
External Action Frames – are frames that are a call to action of another person (i.e. pick up that pillow, come here)
Internal Physchological Frames – are subconscious beliefs that you currently have in regards to life (inner game)
External Physhological Frames – are subconscious beliefs that another person has in regards to life
When you relate to someone these frames battle each other. For instance if I am talking to you, then my internal thinking frame is your external thinking frame, my internal action frame is your external action frame, and vice versa. What I mean by battling is that “alpha†means that you are in control, your internal frames should NEVER be sacrificed for her or anyone else for that matter unless YOU decide they can be. People will always challenge your internal frames.
So lets read that again:
By the above example, the lonely and horny parts can be achieved by establishing what her “Internal Psychological Frame†is. How do you do that you might ask… You use your external thinking frames and internal action frames to influence her internal thinking frame and internal action frame. Still sound like greek?
Framing takes so many things into consideration; this is why framing has only, up until recently, been taught in person.
That’s all for now, check back soon for part 3.
Framing someone into something can be calibrated with a simple cause and effect type set up. For instance, if one is sitting on the couch and his buddy walks by, the person on the couch asks his buddy to toss him the pillow on the floor as he walks by: chances are he will since he is walking by. Take that same guy on the couch and let’s instead say that he wants something out of the way for the guy that’s walking by. Let’s say he wants something to drink.
Well, several things HAVE to be considered when implementing a frame…. For one, does that other person live there? Are they a guest or a host? If they are a host are they a good host? Are they in a good mood? Do they even like you (guy who is sitting on the couch)? These are all questions that have to be answered before a controlled frame can even be implemented.
ALL of these, though, are answered before you even bat an eyelash. This is the reason momentum and social proof are so very important.
You are sitting on the couch, and the person that walks in is the host, if they are generous they don’t even care that you are just sitting there, they may wonder why the pillow is on the ground, but regardless. Obviously they somewhat like you since they are being a host, and if they are the generous type host then they are “socially†obligated to treat you better then they would their family…. Sorta (there is a line). You ask them to throw you the pillow on the ground, he will because 1) its his pillow and he doesn’t like his shit on the ground because he takes care of his stuff, 2) he’s the generous host and 3) its on his way through. The picture frame for that person to do something is already established thus picking up the pillow is no big deal.
However, say that person on the couch wanted a drink of water, but didn’t want to get up… the kitchen is NOT on the way. Well we are still in luck, the fact that the host is of the generous kind plays to our lazy man’s plan. All he would have to do then was ask “Hey do you know if we have any ice?†Since it’s not his place its acceptable for him to ask such a question, and chances are the host would then go into the kitchen. Making a glass of water “on the wayâ€. The host will probably ask “Do you want something to drink?†or “Yeah we have a little, why do you ask?†(in which you say “Yes, that would be lovely.†Or “I was thinking about getting something to drink.†(to which he would probably respond “what do you want, ill get it for you.†))
Picture frame theory is about creating and acknowledging the frame around any given conversation to apply in the way you want, in hopes, for the outcome you wish for.
Take a girl giving her number out. There are a number of reasons women give their numbers out…. They’re drunk, horny, lonely, want to get rid of you and then will never answer or ask who’s this, they really like you, they want to hit on your friend, etc.. the list can go on. Regardless, you want the number…. But you want to get it under the right contexts.
Preferably the, lonely, horny, really like you frame.
How do you establish this? Well getting her to like you is simple… just follow any of the countless community ways of building attraction. The hard part is in the setting the other stages.
Think of frames as a play on stage. There are countless sets that are designed.
Your goals, and what you look for in women are the sets for your frames.
As you go through this play, you will need to set up each picture frame for whatever it is you are trying to accomplish.
By the above example, the lonely and horny parts can be achieved by establishing the life frame or in other words her “Internal Psychological Frameâ€. How do you do that you might ask… You use your external thinking frames and internal action frames to influence her internal thinking frame and internal action frame. Sound like greek?
Lemme break down the meanings:
These definitions are to be viewed as if in first person.
Internal Thinking Frames – Are frames inside your mind that you are consciously thinking about at any given moment about any given event, thing, person, etc… (i.e. “It’s on! She’s totally digging me†or “I’m the baddest mofo in here.â€)
External Thinking Frames – Are phrases you say to make another person consciously think of something (i.e. Don’t think of a black cat.)
Internal Action Frames – Are frames that are a call to action of yourself and thinking frames realized (i.e. the 3 second rule, put your hand on her leg, etc…)
External Action Frames – are frames that are a call to action of another person (i.e. pick up that pillow, come here)
Internal Physchological Frames – are subconscious beliefs that you currently have in regards to life (inner game)
External Physhological Frames – are subconscious beliefs that another person has in regards to life
When you relate to someone these frames battle each other. For instance if I am talking to you, then my internal thinking frame is your external thinking frame, my internal action frame is your external action frame, and vice versa. What I mean by battling is that “alpha†means that you are in control, your internal frames should NEVER be sacrificed for her or anyone else for that matter unless YOU decide they can be. People will always challenge your internal frames.
So lets read that again:
By the above example, the lonely and horny parts can be achieved by establishing what her “Internal Psychological Frame†is. How do you do that you might ask… You use your external thinking frames and internal action frames to influence her internal thinking frame and internal action frame. Still sound like greek?
Framing takes so many things into consideration; this is why framing has only, up until recently, been taught in person.
That’s all for now, check back soon for part 3.
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Jun 18, 2008 2:49 am
thats bad ass bro.
just to see im learning this right you dont ask "give me the blanket" you say "wow im really cold" and that is setting up frame.
haha to be honest this was a little hard to read but i read it twice to try to make since out of it.
and frame is being able to get almost anything you want without asking for it. and if you have good frame things are done for you, bad frame you are always in a begging state.
"could you get me a glass of milk"
"hey man could you hand me the pillow"
but the diragram is a little hard to understand but i think i get the gist of it(haha if you could explane that a little more for me that would be great!)
well man this is really going to help me out, let me know if im getting this wrong.
other than that, this should really help my game!!!
just to see im learning this right you dont ask "give me the blanket" you say "wow im really cold" and that is setting up frame.
haha to be honest this was a little hard to read but i read it twice to try to make since out of it.
and frame is being able to get almost anything you want without asking for it. and if you have good frame things are done for you, bad frame you are always in a begging state.
"could you get me a glass of milk"
"hey man could you hand me the pillow"
but the diragram is a little hard to understand but i think i get the gist of it(haha if you could explane that a little more for me that would be great!)
well man this is really going to help me out, let me know if im getting this wrong.
other than that, this should really help my game!!!
- Guest
by Guest » Wed Jun 18, 2008 10:57 am
Basically what I am saying man is that you have to be aware of what is going on around you.
You have to be aware of what is happening and where she is at in the interaction. This is just 1 scenario out of billions. However if you only deal with pickup you should see the same ones over and over again.
You only have 5 types of questions people can ask: who, what, why, when and where. Before you say something you should ask yourself "Is this something that is acceptable to me?", "Is this something that would entice me to do something?"
You have the gist of it, you want to make statements instead of questions.
The reason that is, is that if a person chooses to jump into that frame they are 10 times more likely to go along with it. You didn't ask for it they did it themselves so therefore they will respect and protect that frame.
This should be true for all of your external frames, i.e. frames that belong to someone else.
People typically want to do the nice thing, or the "socially acceptable" thing, (which is why not breaking social norms are so important) so if they have a chance to shine, if you will, and be nice to you. They will.
Strong frames, meaning more alpha frame, are handled differently. With these as long as they feel they are in control of the interaction they will jump into frames, BUT they HAVE to feel as if they are in control.... thus you limit what options you put out there so that way anything they choose would be condusive to what you want.
You have to be aware of what is happening and where she is at in the interaction. This is just 1 scenario out of billions. However if you only deal with pickup you should see the same ones over and over again.
You only have 5 types of questions people can ask: who, what, why, when and where. Before you say something you should ask yourself "Is this something that is acceptable to me?", "Is this something that would entice me to do something?"
You have the gist of it, you want to make statements instead of questions.
The reason that is, is that if a person chooses to jump into that frame they are 10 times more likely to go along with it. You didn't ask for it they did it themselves so therefore they will respect and protect that frame.
This should be true for all of your external frames, i.e. frames that belong to someone else.
People typically want to do the nice thing, or the "socially acceptable" thing, (which is why not breaking social norms are so important) so if they have a chance to shine, if you will, and be nice to you. They will.
Strong frames, meaning more alpha frame, are handled differently. With these as long as they feel they are in control of the interaction they will jump into frames, BUT they HAVE to feel as if they are in control.... thus you limit what options you put out there so that way anything they choose would be condusive to what you want.
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by Guest » Fri Oct 29, 2010 11:38 am
I saw something today that made me laugh.
Back in late 2007 through 2008 does anyone remember my rampant frame contemplation?
Picture Frame Theory has made it to national TV with approxiamately 2.5 to 3 million viewers!
Here is what I posted around the same time but on a different thread:
[QUOTE]
She is building several types of frames throughout this interaction. This is what would be called a beginner PU in that she is building these frames mostly one after the other instead of all together. Notice: the original frame she wants is the relationship with him. Thats her end goal, but she has to go through the motions with him.
Attraction, comfort, sexual attraction, seduction, I may have missed a few things in here, but for the most part that is whats happening in the video. Read my notes in parenthesis () actions are in brackets [] and the text is regular.
Enjoy! I'll be breaking down more videos here sometime soon. If any of you have any in-field videos I'd be happy to break down those in terms of frames as well.
Roger was toast from the beginning in this video anyway. Just pointing that out.
But lets relate Picture Frame Theory shall we...[URL="http://www.oklahomalair.com/Finesse/PFT.jpg"]
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([IMG]http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/136/l_79658449613145ceab3a9454faf684a7.jpg[/IMG])
Before a person can get what they want they have to make sure they can get the other person to agree to it. I.E. they have to make sure that their frames are set the way the person who is trying to get something needs them to be set. Mimi wanted the relationship (white box) but before she can get that she has to make sure attraction is there (red box), she has to qualify him(grey box) build comfort (black box), and build the sexual frame (blue box) and elicit emotional frame(green box) to get her relationship.[/QUOTE]Yesterday Glenn Beck had this same theory on his show. Like I said then, picture frame theory permeates everything that requires interaction with other individuals.
This post is somewhat political, but I wanted to refrain from going into that here. Instead focus on the examples Beck uses. He is outlining Picture Frame Theory and how it applies to virtually everything. If you decide to apply it to pick up, it is as simple as porting it over.
Skip to 2:43 for PVT. It starts with "They can't figure out how I know, how I know exactly what they're doing, and it drives them crazy..."
Back in late 2007 through 2008 does anyone remember my rampant frame contemplation?
Picture Frame Theory has made it to national TV with approxiamately 2.5 to 3 million viewers!
Here is what I posted around the same time but on a different thread:
[QUOTE]
She is building several types of frames throughout this interaction. This is what would be called a beginner PU in that she is building these frames mostly one after the other instead of all together. Notice: the original frame she wants is the relationship with him. Thats her end goal, but she has to go through the motions with him.
Attraction, comfort, sexual attraction, seduction, I may have missed a few things in here, but for the most part that is whats happening in the video. Read my notes in parenthesis () actions are in brackets [] and the text is regular.
Enjoy! I'll be breaking down more videos here sometime soon. If any of you have any in-field videos I'd be happy to break down those in terms of frames as well.
Roger was toast from the beginning in this video anyway. Just pointing that out.
But lets relate Picture Frame Theory shall we...[URL="http://www.oklahomalair.com/Finesse/PFT.jpg"]
[/URL]
([IMG]http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/136/l_79658449613145ceab3a9454faf684a7.jpg[/IMG])
Before a person can get what they want they have to make sure they can get the other person to agree to it. I.E. they have to make sure that their frames are set the way the person who is trying to get something needs them to be set. Mimi wanted the relationship (white box) but before she can get that she has to make sure attraction is there (red box), she has to qualify him(grey box) build comfort (black box), and build the sexual frame (blue box) and elicit emotional frame(green box) to get her relationship.[/QUOTE]Yesterday Glenn Beck had this same theory on his show. Like I said then, picture frame theory permeates everything that requires interaction with other individuals.
This post is somewhat political, but I wanted to refrain from going into that here. Instead focus on the examples Beck uses. He is outlining Picture Frame Theory and how it applies to virtually everything. If you decide to apply it to pick up, it is as simple as porting it over.
Skip to 2:43 for PVT. It starts with "They can't figure out how I know, how I know exactly what they're doing, and it drives them crazy..."
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by Guest » Fri Oct 29, 2010 12:24 pm
I also wanted to point out. The difference between what Beck was describing and what I did is the difference between controlling others and setting up a framework.
You start off with what Beck has. Individual boxes. Then eventually you get the ones above. Overlapped boxes that outline further frames.
You start off with what Beck has. Individual boxes. Then eventually you get the ones above. Overlapped boxes that outline further frames.
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