Online Game: Improving Closing Rate

[Bull Run]

In all of the online game I've run in the past, I've drastically rebuild my profile and approach which has resulted in substantially better results. I have crafted a very solid profile that gets opened frequently (althought not always by the hottest chicks in the world) and have created 3 or 4 really solid openers (opening e-mails).

Before I made these changes and findings, I would get a response from an e-mail maybe 10% of the time. The remaining times, I would simply get no response.

After I made these changes, my response rate shot up to about 30%, with about a 30% ignore rate, and the remaining times I would simply get a short response that lacks any deep level of investment such as:

Hahaha
LMAO
LOL
Hillarious!!!
Etc.

So, I pose this question you to gentlemen. How do you respond to emails with such low levels of investment on their part? Generally, I perceive such emails as a lack of interest BUT even if they aren't, one could argue than ANY response is an IOI, then I think of the girl as lacking substance. The problem with the latter assumption is that the girl could simply be shy and wants me to carry the conversation forward.

I'm not going to share my openers with you guys because I've worked really hard on coming up with them. But, that shouldn't really matter. The point is this: what's the next step after LOL? Do you continue on with the theme of the original email (keep in mind that my original emails are relatively generic and usually quite funny...think of the creation of fantasy worlds and time bridges OR disqualifing myself in a funny way) or do you cut the thread and get a little more serious in an effort to build rapport?

Frankly, I'm stumped...

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This bugs the shit out of me. I can't help but think those women treat their online dating profile like a facebook account. It's just for shits and giggles and nothing matters. If a woman were really interested in meeting a guy, and she got an email that made her laugh, then she would make some effort. For a woman to give absolutely no effort like that, I have to think she's a cybertease and has no intention of meeting anyone.

Now, how do you turn that around? One thing that has worked for me once or twice is to say something like, "I'm glad you enjoyed my email. I think your profile is interesting. Is there something you find interesting about my profile?" It seems dumb to prompt her like that on such a basic level, but if she doesn't understand how having a conversation works, then you have to hold her hand through the whole process. I have gotten deeper responses a couple of times using that.

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i've done a good amount of online game. To be honest, when i would get this or get replies that have nothing but abrupt answers or no questions back, I would next them.

Sure they replied and could be construed as an IOI, but too many women are down right BORING and quite frankly dull personalities, that I just wasn't interested in wasting time if they didn't show some interesting qualities in THEIR reply. Wasn't interested in wasting my time..

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I reply one more time, but if the second response from them is still lame I just next them. I get a decent amount of messages myself from girls like "hey" or "hows it going u are cute" and follow pretty much the same protocol. If a girl can't even write deeper more intelligent thoughts out then what are the odds that she can have a deeper more intelligent conversation?

I do think that there are a ton of girls on the online dating scene to nurse wounds from past relationships by having tons of guys validate them, or just to play with guys. I may sound bitter and I'm not giving up on online dating because it is soo damn convienent, but I really think that the quality girls are few and far between. There is also huge comfort issues with online dating. I know a few girls that were definately interested in me, but just could not get over the fear that we can thank the media for that every guy online no matter how safe he seems is some perv off of 60minutes. You guys have any suggestions for actually getting them comfortable enough to close the deal? Alot of my messages start well, but end up leading to nowhere.

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Just say you aren't much for the whole online la de da shit and invite her to meet you at the bar. How much easier can it be?

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Ive never understood why guys pursue online dating. I'm sure there are a few quality chics out there who have accounts and arent sociopaths, but I've never met a quality chic that dates online.

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[QUOTE=Carnal;37167]Ive never understood why guys pursue online dating. I'm sure there are a few quality chics out there who have accounts and arent sociopaths, but I've never met a quality chic that dates online.[/QUOTE]


In poker, this what they call a 'tell.'

We know all we need to know about you...

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I too would be quick to next them, however what if this really is their way of saying hey you should continue talking to me.

Let's pretend it is their way of saying give me more. What do you normally respond with to the girls that respond with more than one word? Is it possible you could use some of those?

I have a feeling I know what you are sending these girls. Or at the least I know its nature. Given that fact maybe they are saying yes that is hilarious, now give me something real. From here can you turn it more direct, or turn it serious perhaps?

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[QUOTE=Bull Run;37141]So, I pose this question you to gentlemen. How do you respond to emails with such low levels of investment on their part? Generally, I perceive such emails as a lack of interest BUT even if they aren't, one could argue than ANY response is an IOI, then I think of the girl as lacking substance. The problem with the latter assumption is that the girl could simply be shy and wants me to carry the conversation forward.[/QUOTE]

I love gaming online so much I actually wonder if I have a few eskimo brothers here in this lair and don't even know it!

Here is what I do and I'll give you an example of how it has worked. I don't reply right away, then I plow and reframe and the same time with statements, not questions. All the David D and Style online stuff is good and has worked for me and some of you I'm sure, but when you ask a lot of questions it puts the spotlight on her and by being super intrigued or interested in her you are doing all the investing. Asking her one or two in your initial interaction is good because it conveys interest and makes your approach indirect. When I get a short response or just an "lol" I make cold read type statement or another funny/sarcastic one. If she replies with another short "lol" or "haha" I do it again and again until she ask me a question (invest in me a little) and then I inquire about her some more.

Ram - Witty inderect opener
Hb8 - "lol"
Ram - That's crazy that you and friend go out in uptown and we don't know each other.
Hb - That's crazy lol
Ram - You actually seem more like an Addison type girl to me.. not so high mantainence
HB - You are hilarious but I only date white guys, sorry.
Ram - I'm not white! Someone should have fuckin told me! I would be discouraged if a lot of girls i've dated hadn't told I'm not what they usualy go for.
Hb - omg really... guys have said that to me too. What is your ethnicity?

She tried to shoot me down, but I knew when she asked about my ethnicity that I had peaked a little interest in her. I got her number 2 emails later. We didn't end up hitting it off but the point is I did not get discouraged by her lack of investment in the interaction.

This is a little hit or miss though, and if they don't respond at all, they are obviousely not interested at all.