Dallas PUA

Here is a post I did a while ago on online gaming. This version is copied from:

http://thesanfranciscolair.com/members/ ... 300#msg300

while the same, but with less material is posted in this forum at:
http://www.dallaspua.com/forum/viewtopi ... 3&highligh

The one at thesafranciscolair.com has more material since there was less chance of them finding my actual online dating profile at the time, though since it is no longer up, here is the full version along with some of my responses....

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I have had good success with online gaming, converting most online game into offline f-closes (ok, enough DHV'ing ). Though just the other night, I have hit pay dirt. Women are e-mailing me like cwazy (That’s crazy with a W), plastering me e-mails and even those online flowers some sites have, all without me initiating any contact. Creating a good profile is key. Before I did not have a problem meeting girls online, then F-closing offline, many times at the first offline meet. Though to have all these HB’s open me, this is like shooting ducks in a barrel – and much less effort. I will not mention what exactly is on my profile (as you want to create your own in order to be congruent). Though I have hit on something here and thought you guys might want to know HOW to duplicate this success. I will go through the same process to help with your online gaming.

1) Create fake shill
I had set up a shill, a fake female online profile. To maintain authenticity, I copied and pasted a HB’s profile from another state. It is important to know what women go through online.

2) Gather information
After setting up the shill, I experienced what females go through, what type of guys are out there, and the mistakes most make. After reading all these AFC’s emails my shill was smothered with, I found the most common mistakes guys were making which later I could use to differentiate myself from them. I also gained an enlightening, women’s perspective on online game. Do not pass this step; create a shill to understand women and the competition.

3) Pick you pic carefully
After having a few photos rated (hotornot.com has a good rating service) I find the one that makes the best impression. It is of one that features me in another country, which is good for all women say they love to travel. When you make the shill in step 2 and see some of these guys, you will be wondering wtf they were thinking. Just think of the movie, "Deliverance".

4) Differentiate yourself in the headline
I pointed out in my headline that I do not do what is one of the most common mistakes other guys make. Women identified with this. They saw me as a guy who “got it”. This differentiating was enough to have an initial flurry of e-mails, more than I usually receive. This is significant as men do MUCH more e-mailing than women do, so all women need to do is sit back and wait. It is nice to turn the tables and have the women e-mailing you.

5) Differentiate yourself in the profile
In the profile, again I show that I do not have this negative characteristic and briefly expand upon it. Then I point out that I should not need to show that I do not have these negative characteristics though after hearing what the other guys do, felt is was necessary. Stating I heard it implies that I am already talking to other women. If other women are talking to me, I must be ok. Also, stating I should not have to point these things out shows I am a bit uncomfortable about any type of bragging. As you know you don’t want to brag! I reinforce this concept with a quote I placed at the end of the profile. I mention my pic is recent and was taken in Montreal. To present a sense of adventure and spontaneity, I also say I went up there on a last minute impulse to see snow.

The next paragraph I disqualify myself stating that I have a busy schedule and if they need a man there all the time, they may want to look elsewhere. Then I point what I want in a woman, using some chick crack key words such as “travel”, energy”, etc. indicting I am picky. I precede this stating similar people attract similar people, implying that I have all these characteristics, too, effectively killing two birds with one stone.

Finally, as mentioned earlier, I point out a quote by a prominent person of the past communicating the idea that actions speak louder than words and one should need not brag to show the positive attributes he has.

The entire profile was brief, keeping the mystery, while sub-communicating a wealth of information.

6) Sit back and wait
As you know, it is much easier to game when you are open, offline or online. So sit back and wait for HB’s e-mails such as:

Wow You sound great, and from what I can tell, you look pretty great too. I must tell you, and I bet I'm not the first, that you misspelled Montreal. Unless you really did go to Monteal

I do have small children, so travel(and just about everything) takes on a whole new meaning...although I am Not one of those women that likes to bring them on dates, or use them as some sort of approval gauntlet. (although they're only 2 and 3, so hopefully you'd make it)

Other than that, I just couldn't pass up saying hi...You never know unless you try.

Patty

I LOVE THAT QUOTE!!!!

i thought your rprofile had a lot of personality in it so i wanted to drop in and say hi. i travel a bit as well...for work. so i think you may be right up my alley. check me out if you would like.

have a groovy day kiddo!
oh....ALL of my pics are VERY recent.

An online flower I received. Awww, how sweet



I have used some strategies preached by seasoned and professional PUAs with some success, though none as effective as this. It was successful because in addition to saying all the right things, it was congruent. And you must be congruent. Females can smell contrived miles away.

Cheerio,

Mojo

Authentic wrote:Mojo,

This post has some great ideas--especially the creating a shill to see the mistakes guys make, and using a rating service for your pics.

What I see would really make this post useful, and this thread useful, is to share exactly what mistakes we see guys make in their emails, how exactly to communicate that you don't make those mistakes, and what an average "successful" profile looks like.

I understand the concerns about posting what your profile looks like and having dudes copy it. And this thread is an opportunity for others to put up a shill, say the mistakes they see, and share them.

What one person sees and another sees may be different, and how it can be communicated that you don't make those mistakes can be different, and having all of the facts/feedback on the table is the most useful option.

With all of that said, I created a shill on CL in another city after reading your post just to see what would happen.

For the response I received from my shill, check out http://thesanfranciscolair.com/members/ ... topic=74.0

As for My profile, I'll go ahead and post it here. It is important to be congruent so please no copy and paste. This is for your benefit.

My Headline:
I can spell and use grammar correctly.

My Interests:
Life

About me:
I can spell and use grammar correctly. I even have a car and all my teeth intact. You know, I should not need to say these things but after hearing about the other guys on this site, well, d@mn. And the pic is recent (Montreal, New Years 07). I just had a sudden, last minute urge to see snow.

I do have a busy schedule, so if you need a man there 100% of the time, you may want to look elsewhere. Like attracts like. So if you are educated, have a liberal mindset, ambitious, good humor, love to travel (I do months on end) and positive energy, I would like to hear from you. An avid reader is a plus.

I like this quote from Margaret Thatcher:
"Being powerful is like being a lady; if you have to say you are, you aren't."

My ideal first date:
Sky diving. It's better than bad sex B^)


I was also selective in my profile. Under my profession I placed Business Owner. When I wrote this profile all of it poured out naturally without much conscious effort. A good sign, since that indicated my subconcious had put a lot of work in it.

Spencer wrote: any girl on there that says they don't sleep with a third of their dates is lying through their teeth.

This reminds me of some valuable information I have found in online dating I thought you guys might want to know:

If they say don't expect to fuck them on the first date...
They WILL fuck you silly on the first date!

My success rate on first day meets with girls that say this in their profile is close to 100%! Possibly these girls have an inclination to give it up too soon, so subconsciously they are implementing ASD preemptively.

rp_5150 wrote:Check out the zip code 93101 and tell me how they compare. All I see are fatties or oldies on plentyoffish. Great girls I'm sure, except not physically attractive to me. Some have obvious red flags in their profiles (LSE type stuff or wierd vibes). What do you guys find? My home city is a very different demographic than most. Very focused (college/retirees) and to me feels "desperate". How does it compare to your zip codes in terms of "profile vibe"?

One of the guys in my local group met his fiancee thru match.com, however (haven't talked to him in a while but he was really really stoked). She was a pretty extroverted ~35 y/o sales manager. I won't rate her 'cause that's rude. lol. I'd flirt with her in real life if I saw her. What I've found is that the rare ~30 y/o in the local "hard to find a mate" demographic will turn to online because the "outside world" of peer group is all college kids. This same guy also met up with 2 uberhotties from LA (one turned out to be a stripper, one was a go-go dancer) - he met them on hotornot.com; they pinged him.

Maybe one thing I'm trying to get at here is: what's the difference between the free sites, and the pay sites, or the different sites in general.

As one more angle, I created a profile on salon.com a long time ago to browse others & I ended up getting winks (or whatever it is they have) from girls for months (though none were within 90 mi of me). I dont even remember what my profile said, but it wasnt much and no picture. Compare that to the free sites? I haven't gotten a cold email on plentyoffish EVER, no matter what my profile said. Oh wait, I take that back, I did, but it was from like 45-55 y/o's even when my profile said I wanted 25 y/os. (I did get a couple cold emails on yahoo in 93101 back when it was free)


-- robert1

You have to be much more clever than females when creating a profile. A female creates a profile, puts up a pic, and if she is mildly good looking, gets slammed with e-mails. They do not usually have to bother about sending out e-mails. However, when you do receive an email from a female on a site like pof, you know she is interested. My next profile will have soemthing like "I don't msg females on here", just to see what happens. If they know I am not like every other guy that sends out these stupid emails, then I suspect that will definetly prompt them to send emails.

I would try out the free sites and pay sites to see which works best for you. They all vary somewhat in the people they attract, scammers, quality, etc. Create a fake profile on each one to get an unfair perspective/advantage vs the competition.

Getting hotties online is VERY possible. I do it all the time. If you "know" it is hard, it will be hard. If you "know" it will be easy, it will be easy. All in the fundemental perspective/programming you have going on in your head. Do a little research, expirement with interesting profiles, and you will have success.

Hope this helps,

~ Mojo