FR - Ghost Bar Dallas

[voyager]

Last night I was going to hit the ghost bar with several guys from the boards (whatsup, scorp, and hansolo) and I got there at 10:30 - a bit before everyone else. I later found out that none of them would show for various reasons, so this was my first time going clubbing by myself! I am still pretty new to the game so if I had gone in knowing I'd be alone, I might have been to intimidated to do it. But now that it's happened, I'd be willing to try it again. Another thing to note is that I only had one drink the whole evening, which is also a bit of pride.

After my warm-up set (asked a guy and girl about directions from the ghost bar for a friend who is late). The first actual set I opened was two girls who were in the same elevator with me. I told them that I didn't know the other people in the elevator and I didn't want to be associated with them (there was another group that was going back and forth saying some crazy stuff). We then proceeded to make fun of them for a bit and then I plowed right to my canned opener [I tell them that my roommate and his gf have been fighting more and more and I had just found out that they are moving in together - is it my job to say anything, etc.]. I tease them on their responses and remembered to kino for a change. A few of their friends join them at this point and I think this is where I lost control of the set. I tried to include them in the discussion, but the new joiners seemed pretty dead-set on it just being a girls' night out for their bachelorette party.

Side note: I counted at least 5 different bachelorette parties last night. My experience with them is that girls in these groups are much more defensive and protective, and I can understand that.

The next set was a group of Asian girls. It didn't seem to go so well but I have no idea if they understood what I was saying. I did manage to borrow one of their phones because I had crappy reception on mine. Whatsup - that would be the missed call that you got from that random number in case you were wondering. I then eject from this set because I was bored.

Another girl I walk up to and saw her smoking so I said "I don't know, but I heard those things might be bad for you. I don't believe everything I see on tv though". She smiled and laughed, kino'd me so I asked to see the new labels on the cigarette carton. She had one from Mexico and was telling me about there was one that had a little girl was crying about her dad being dead. Joked around for a bit in my poor attempt to speak spanish "mi papa es muerte porque se fume - lo siento nina". I tried to include her friend in the conversation but she didn't seem to interested and eventually shut me out of the conversation. That was a failure in my part because I didn't include everyone in the set.

Some girls were opening me at this point - mostly asking if I had cigs or to take pictures of them. One response that I liked to use when I girl asked "can I ask you for a favor", I would look at them completely seriously and say "depends on what that favor is" and then smirk after a second or two. None of these really went anywhere.

Well I tried to re-open the first set at this point and I wasn't able to get anything going this time. I don't think I had a strong enough initiation. My mind and state have gone downhill a bit at this point and I checked my cell and it said 12:30. I really wanted to go home, but I forced myself to go to the dance floor instead and was there til the bar closed.


What I learned about dance floor game:
A lot of the same stuff applies as regular game. The underlying principle is the same - be different from every other guy. What is every other guy doing? Getting drunk to the point where he has the confidence to go up and grind on a woman. Granted, sometimes this works but it's purely a function of the guy's attractiveness, the girl's drunkenness, and the girl's friends being receptive.

So my plan was to just be genuine and show that I am having a great time. The hardest lesson to learn was not giving a fuck, the first few minutes was pretty uncomfortable but I learned a few strategies to make it go by smoother. I'd pick a focal point above the crowd at a fixed location so I wasn't looking like my eyes were wandering around the dance floor like I was desperately seeking approval. I later realized that no one really cared what the fuck I was doing - everyone's too worried about how they are being perceived to notice what anyone else is doing. Also, the more fun I had, the more people wanted to be near me and the easier it was to "open" a set.

As far as opening goes, I had a short strategy.
- Notice a nearby group, and get closer without approaching from behind
- Mimic or make fun of them dancing (really easy to do)
- After the set moves apart to let you in, use a lock-in prop (i had my neon green vegas sunglasses that I would put on the girl and then she would try to act real cool)
- Just have fun and make sure they are having fun as well

I usually got derailed and lost momentum with the dance floor - it wasn't me or the girls. Usually, some guy would approach from behind and generally be creepy and the girls would leave the dance floor. This one shorter guy in particular who was way too fucking drunk would scare away all the sets I was dancing with and then try to FUCKING HIGH FIVE ME AFTERWARDS. Some awesome moments though: at one point I had a bachelorette sash and crown on, there was a dance move that consisted of a girl taking off my blazer then putting it back on me (to which I replied "you're going to have to dress me in the morning" - positive reaction to that lol), showing off my awful attempts at michael jackson moves while surrounded by 8 girls, and being in too many damn pictures to keep track of.

On a semi-related note, this Halloween I want to be the LMFAO party rock robot.

[James_Bonds_Bro]

1) Ghost bar sucks because you have to $20 to get in, as a guy.

2) You can everything you mentioned at Hotel Zaza, Ritz...Red River (before 7 PM), Sherlocks...etc.. and drink for free.

3)How to drink for free....@ zaza I bring my own flask of Jim Beam, the kind of flask that conforms to your back pocket. I tell the bartender to give me diet coke because I am driving. I get a glass of coke and fill up in either the bathroom or in a corner where nobody, especially the bouncers, can see.
At a high dollar b.s. place like zaza nobody expects you to be cheap, so they never suspect suspicious free drinking.

4) After being married and dating about 10 chicks, I really dont care anymore about "having a girl" or absolutely having to get laid everytime I go out. Once you hit 37 like me, you've seen so much b.s., PMS, games, and b.s. that you don't care anymore.

5) the great thing about zaza is that you can talk about the pool and all the things going on, like the free cinammon candy, the decor, the gay bartender, etc. The music is on a low volume there. I asked a girl once to race me in a swimming contest in the outdoor pool at 1 a.m. and i called her a wimp for not doing it. She loved it !!

[ninjamatt]

that was a pretty good read. At least you are getting out and talking. A few things I would be careful of is the canned opinion question. Women that get hit on a lot have heard variations of it, and it can bore them. If you do one, do one that's original. There's probably something going on in your life, or that you are curious about you could get a true opinion you would be interested in. I am also careful about being negative, regarding smoking or anything else. It's not original, and generally people don't like being reminded they are doing bad health things although the "i don't agree with everything i see on tv" was clever. There's always a lot of bachelorette parties this time of year b/c it's when most people get married. One thing I have noticed is that the other girls in the group have a little bit of a happy jealously for their friend and there's usually one or 2 in the party that will talk, and is wanting to find what her friend has found, or is in a boring relationship or marriage, or is bored with other guys hitting on her and will talk to you so others leave her alone. Obviously some of those chicks don't do the bar scene much and it's new to them. A couple weeks ago I strolled up to a 10 who I didn't realize was with one of those parties and within a few seconds, I had the whole damn group of 5 skinny hotties half circled around me, trying to intimidate me, at that point I had to start talking to them all. That was probably the hottest pack of friends I ever seen in person. One thing I've been trying to do is chat up the bride, respect the fact she's getting married and maybe ask a question or 2, "did ya'll (groom) meet here(with a funny grin)when is it, is it gonna be in the paper, are you nervous, where's the honeymoon, congratulations" something along those lines. usually she's thrilled to talk about it and if a single member of her group likes your display , you might be in with her. Admittedly I don't have a great deal of experience working a bachelorette party but I'm learning a lot of the dynamics of one. One thing I've found is that, if I can get to talking to one other than the bride, I'm asking, where is the bride I need to talk to her and they always point her out. Usually those parties are real friendly if you act like your just making friendly chat. No , you aren't taking one of the brides girls home with you. But if the group likes you, and you got more than one group in there that likes you, when other women see it they wanna get to know you. It's a snowball effect but the focal point at first is the bride, and your congratulatory attitude to her. That other stuff you said about the dancefloor i like.